Having seen the first part I can't see where criticism of the drama on this thread is coming from. Sohail is not held up as the ideal that other British Muslims should follow. He is merely an individual caught up in life as a Muslim in Britain during the 'war on terror'.

If he drinks and sleeps around then that is not much different from what some other British Muslims get up to.

The father and mother of the family are shown as pious but yet also helping the police to carry out surveillance on suspected terrorists. This doesn't appear to be a contradictory stance to the father. The only instance where they are shown to err is where they take Nasima to Pakistan to get married apparently against her wishes.

This was gritty and dealt with issues. There were a lot less clichés in this then there are in Khuda Kay Liye (a Pakistani attempt at something similar).

"TheRevivalEditor" wrote:

my main problem was Pregnant Muslim women could now b elooked at in suspicion: is that a baby or a bomb [b]in[/b] her stomach!!!?:??

The woman swallowed a bomb?!

"TheRevivalEditor" wrote:

the programme reminded me of al mujairoun/ al ghuraba and early days HT boys at uni's..............

Well, it's near identical to the uni I go to.

I've finally downloaded the whole two episodes, took me hours.

why not stream it
ne1 kno wer i can get my handz on the bradford riotz video 4 free

My ISP is not very good, the speed goes up and down.

The speed I'm now getting is less than 1Mb so the video would keep buffering, there are times when I get around 6/7Mb.

Episode two is better than one. I think the drama made it very clear that the reasons why Nsiam became a suicide bomber were not because of religion but because her right to legitimate protest was being curtailed.

The new terror laws led her friend to commit suicide and Nasima to be arrested. Religion played a very small role in Nasima's radicalisation. When Matloob tells her that she will sit at the right side of God, she tells him that's not why I'm doing it. Her reasons were solely to do with the domestic UK situation and the gov's arbitrary anti-terror laws.

At the end as she is hugging her brother it seems as if she won't push the button. But then she sees police officers with guns charging towards her and that is when she pushes the button.

BTW When Nasima straps a vest on in Pakistan her instructor tells her that she has two buttons incase one button fails. There is the possibility that when she pushed the button in London it may have failed.

yea spot on beast, it took religion out of it and also showed how the police and british government are contributed to the tension and isolated muslims and in turn they are responsible for many of the anti-british views muslims hold here and the terror laws may in turn make people like nasima become terrorists whereas they wouldnt have before.

I felt very simpathetic towards nasima and i could also understand sohail perspective aswell ...good programme tackled alot of issues

I finally watched it, it's past 3am and I just finished watching the two episodes.

- It seemed by Sohail's actions that if you want to integrate you have to do things which go against your religion, drink, have pre-maritial relationships, ect.
- Sajid was pulled over, arrested, booked at the police station for drink-driving WITHOUT even testing him with a breathalyser and when they were escorting him to the cell they suddenly told him that he's been arrested under the terrorism act :?.
- When Sohail went to Pakistan I was surprised to see that all his cousins were able to speak good english.
- The bit where they showed Sohail and Nasima inside the train, canary wharf and the bomb-making house; that's our area. Welcome to Tower Hamlets, the most deprived borough in London :).
- At the end where Sohail doesn't even see the face of his sister but his instincts just tells him its her (just like an indian film).
- The way they kicked Jude out of the room because he said that he won't convert but he's interested in Islam, I'm sure no brother would do that.
- Nasima was praying among the men (in Pakistan) :?.
- I think people must go through alot and it takes time for someone like Nasima to have that mentality where you can go and blow yourself up, I would expect someone 'practising' to play the role she did.

Overall the programme was alrite, I liked the ending. The music so goes with what's going on. I felt like crying but was too tired :P.

[b]Question [/b]
[i]I read that there was no separation behind men and women in the mosque at the time of Prophet Muhammad and that the women would pray just behind the men. I also read that Imam Malik stated that if a man turns up late for prayers and he prays behind rows of women, his prayers are still valid. Given not only the nature of the question raised through Imam Malik's opinion, (presumably reflecting the real-time situation of early Islam), why are nearly, if not all mosques across the Muslim world ignorant of this 'Sunnah' of the Prophet i.e. women praying behind men without barriers - and NOT at the furthest reaches of the mosque?
[/i]
[b]Answer [/b]
A[i]s salamu `alaykum

You have raised some excellent points. The question of why some beliefs and customs are ingrained in Muslims and others are not is of key importance for the Ummah today. When we read the texts ourselves, we find that many things we were led to believe may not reflect what is actually written in the Hadith and may contradict the spirit of the Qur'an. Excluding women from the mosque is one of them.

When you look at all of the major Hadith sources, you cannot find a single one that supports the idea of a barrier between men and women in the mosque. This was not practiced at the time of the Prophet (pbuh) and was never even mentioned as an issue. There are ahadith, in al-Bukhari for example, that advise men and women to enter and exit the mosque separately. But as for a wall or curtain or the confinement of women to a separate room altogether (as is common practice in the Muslim world), there is no supporting text.

I am aware of the Maliki ahadith you mention as well. This certainly is not common knowledge and would be disputed by many. But it is a valid source, nonetheless. Muslims, especially our scholars and community leaders, must be able to deal with the questions raised that challenge today's status quo of isolating women since that has no precedence in the Sunnah itself. There is great resistance to such change, even here in the US, where new masjids are built with barriers, with space for women on the second floor or in separate rooms, not even able to see the Imam.

Changing what is a long-held, strong belief is difficulty and can only come from increasing knowledge about the Qur'an and the Sunnah. Those who wish to perpetuate the status quo have to answer to these questions from devout Muslims who only wish to see everyone participating in the way that they did during the time of Muhammad (pbuh). [/i]

source www.islamonline.net

women leading prayer
[url]http://www.islaam.net/main/display_article_printview.php?id=55[/url]

"Naz" wrote:

[b]Question [/b]
[i]I read that there was no separation behind men and women in the mosque at the time of Prophet Muhammad and that the women would pray just behind the men. I also read that Imam Malik stated that if a man turns up late for prayers and he prays behind rows of women, his prayers are still valid. Given not only the nature of the question raised through Imam Malik's opinion, (presumably reflecting the real-time situation of early Islam), why are nearly, if not all mosques across the Muslim world ignorant of this 'Sunnah' of the Prophet i.e. women praying behind men without barriers - and NOT at the furthest reaches of the mosque?
[/i]
[b]Answer [/b]
A[i]s salamu `alaykum

You have raised some excellent points. The question of why some beliefs and customs are ingrained in Muslims and others are not is of key importance for the Ummah today. When we read the texts ourselves, we find that many things we were led to believe may not reflect what is actually written in the Hadith and may contradict the spirit of the Qur'an. Excluding women from the mosque is one of them.

When you look at all of the major Hadith sources, you cannot find a single one that supports the idea of a barrier between men and women in the mosque. This was not practiced at the time of the Prophet (pbuh) and was never even mentioned as an issue. There are ahadith, in al-Bukhari for example, that advise men and women to enter and exit the mosque separately. But as for a wall or curtain or the confinement of women to a separate room altogether (as is common practice in the Muslim world), there is no supporting text.

I am aware of the Maliki ahadith you mention as well. This certainly is not common knowledge and would be disputed by many. But it is a valid source, nonetheless. Muslims, especially our scholars and community leaders, must be able to deal with the questions raised that challenge today's status quo of isolating women since that has no precedence in the Sunnah itself. There is great resistance to such change, even here in the US, where new masjids are built with barriers, with space for women on the second floor or in separate rooms, not even able to see the Imam.

Changing what is a long-held, strong belief is difficulty and can only come from increasing knowledge about the Qur'an and the Sunnah. Those who wish to perpetuate the status quo have to answer to these questions from devout Muslims who only wish to see everyone participating in the way that they did during the time of Muhammad (pbuh). [/i]

source www.islamonline.net

women leading prayer
[url]http://www.islaam.net/main/display_article_printview.php?id=55[/url]

yeah but she wasn't praying behind the men. she was praying next to men.

(in the masjid al-haram i had to pray behind women and cos it was so close, I couldn't put my head down cos their bums were there!

that was very difficult to keep concentrating...)

^ you should have closed your eyes then :roll:

"Noor" wrote:

^ you should have closed your eyes then :roll:

if i'd have closed my eyes my face would have gone strait into their butts!

I couldn't actually get it to touch the floor because there was literally (and i MEAN literally) 1 foot (that is 30cm) to prostrate.

i am 6'1" !!

so why didn't you pray somewhere else?

I have heard worse. A guy goes into sajdah (I think). Another guy wearing Ihram trying to cross over him. At the moment the guy has a leg over, the Sajdah guy finishes the sajdah. According to him that did put him off his salaah...

And there are massive space issues.

On the day we arrived in Mecca, we did Umrah, got lost after it, got ready for Jumu'ah, stepped outside the hotel and there were saff's right there for the Jumu'ah!

I was not there for the last ten days, but let me tell you that in the days before I don't think I prayed one salaah which was not in a pathway - the rest is already "booked" by people doing i'tikaaf, sleeping there.

"Noor" wrote:

so why didn't you pray somewhere else?

the azaan for fajr had been called.

i was a few metres away from Kabah.

It would take approximately one hour to go out of the mosque (which was where the nearest space big enough for prayer was)

it wasn't quite so simple

"You" wrote:

I have heard worse. A guy goes into sajdah (I think). Another guy wearing Ihram trying to cross over him. At the moment the guy has a leg over, the Sajdah guy finishes the sajdah. According to him that did put him off his salaah...

akward..

why didn't he just walk round him?

that one thing i hate, when there is like 20 of u squashed together in one place and u can't even do your sujood properly, totally distracts you from your salah.

"Noor" wrote:

why didn't he just walk round him?

I will assume you have not seen how busy that place gets.

Lol. During Hajj time on most days I couldn’t do my Sajdah properly – and I was having to do it on the shoulder or the back of the lady in front of me…

During Hajj/busy umrah time…the rules of not walking in front of the one doing Salah and making sure that all seven parts of the body touch the floor during sajdah are impossible.

Regarding reading Salah in front of men…one guy was rude enough to tell me to ‘yallah/move’ – move where? I didn’t budge, and the grump had to move himself and find a different place....

During umrah time the congregation is more or less segregated…however, during hajj time men and women read Salaah next to each other. I was reading my Salah next to my dad on most days.

"You" wrote:

"Noor" wrote:

why didn't he just walk round him?

I will assume you have not seen how busy that place gets.

nope, not just yet

Inshallah one day soon you will experience the mayhem of Hajj or Umrah.

"Ya'qub" wrote:

(in the masjid al-haram i had to pray behind women and cos it was so close, I couldn't put my head down cos their bums were there!

that was very difficult to keep concentrating...)

it aint their bums fault if your sooo lanky lol.

"You" wrote:

I have heard worse. A guy goes into sajdah (I think). Another guy wearing Ihram trying to cross over him. At the moment the guy has a leg over, the Sajdah guy finishes the sajdah. According to him that did put him off his salaah...

in my mosque u get occasions wen kids attempt to do long jumps over people in sadjdah i kno i shud laugh but :L

I am talking about a guy in Ihram. ie gone commando. a lot more frightening than a few kids messing around...

so kids doin there athletics lessons over ur head while ur praying is worse dan a guy in his undies its a tough call

Ihram = NO undies... just a "kilt".

look admin u sed commando that means basically jus ur underpants

oo i read ur comment again urs is the worse but ill think of a scenario

we have different definitions mines from the film and popular saying yours maybe less nudity

"Ya'qub" wrote:

yeah but she wasn't praying behind the men. she was praying next to men.

The reason I bought this issue up is because "according to the Hanafi School, if a woman was to pray next to a man, the prayer of the man would become invalid, and not the prayer of the woman. However, there are certain conditions in order for the man’s prayer to become invalid".

Where is that quotation from? (since you are using quotation marks I assume that is not from yourself...)