Traditional Muslim Scholars have been teaching the Muslims that God inspired Abraham to sacrifice his son Ismail by slaughtering him with a knife. This is completely against what the Quran states.
While this gross crime of a father slaughtering his own son is mentioned in the Bible, it is not supported by the Quran. These teachings of the traditional Muslim scholars are only a reflection of the outside corruption and Jewish influence on the early Muslim scholars. Jewish influence could not affect the word of God in the Quran but found its way into the Hadith books that were written 250+ years after the death of the prophet. The prophet was not around to defend all the false teachings in them.
Instead of teaching the Quran, these scholars tried to explain the Quran by using the Bible, despite the information given to them by God in the Quran. Quran teaches that the Bible had been corrupted and should be viewed only in light of the Quran and not vice verse. The Bible teaches that God ordered Abraham to sacrifice his only son by slaughtering him with a knife. However, that is not what the Quran teaches.
This teaching of the Bible (and of the Muslim Scholars) is against the teaching of the Quran. The true believers in the Quran will uphold the truth in the Quran over any other book and over the opinion of any scholar.
Why is this teaching against the Quran and Islam?
(1) Quran teaches us that God never advocates evil. See 7:28 and 16:90. It is Satan who advocates evil and vice (24:21). For a father to slaughter his son, is an evil act that cannot and is not from God. It can only come from Satan.
(2) The Quran never said that God told Abraham to kill (sacrifice) his son. Instead, the Quran teaches us that Abraham had a dream in which he saw himself slaughtering his son. Abraham believed the dream and thought that the dream was from God (The Quran never said the dream was from God). The choice of the wording in the Quran is crucial. No word was chosen by accident or out of control. Every word and expression was deliberately chosen by God.
(3) Islam never advocated human sacrifice. God would not contradict Himself an order Abraham to commit what he prohibited even as a test.
(4) Prophets are human beings also and as much susceptible to the tricks of Satan as everyone else. God never left this issue unsolved. See 22:52
"We have not send before you a messenger nor a prophet without having the devil interfere with his wishes. But God nullifies what the devil has done, and God perfects His revelation. God is, Omniscient, Most Wise." (22:52)
(5) Because Abraham thought the dream was from God and he proceeded to sacrifice his son Ismail, God sent him the lamb to be sacrificed instead, and to save the son, and the father-son sacred relationship.
No where in the Quran does God say that it was God who told Abraham to sacrifice his son. No where in the Quran does God say He gave Abraham that dream. God does not forget and does not choose His words except for a specific reason.
(7) Those who know God and appreciate Him, know that God would not ask any of us to do evil and commit the gross crime that is severely punishable by God and the human communities.
(8) It was the fairy tales and sick imagination of some historians under the influence of the scholars of the previous scriptures in Islam who tried to get the public to reject the teaching of the Quran and accept the corrupted teaching of the Bible.
(9) It is time to go back to the Quran and see the truth. It is time to reject the corrupted teaching of the scholars and to teach the truth of the Quran. God never ordered Abraham to kill his son Ismail
(10) It is time to believe GOD instead of believing the man-made or man-corrupted books.
The Quran's account
[37:102] When he grew enough to work with him, he said, "My son, I see in a dream that I am sacrificing you. What do you think?" He said, "O my father, do what you are commanded to do. You will find me, GOD willing, patient."
[37:103] They both submitted, and he put his forehead down (to sacrifice him).
[37:104] We called him: "O Abraham.
[37:105] "You have believed the dream." We thus reward the righteous.
[37:106] That was an exacting test indeed.
[37:107] We ransomed (Ismail) by substituting an animal sacrifice.
[37:108] And we preserved his history for subsequent generations.
[37:109] Peace be upon Abraham.
[37:110] We thus reward the righteous.
[37:111] He is one of our believing servants.
This is totally irrelevant to an Islamic forum so but I will post it anyway…
The Bible's account (Genesis)
22:1 And it came to pass after these things, that God tempted Abraham, and said to him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, [here] I [am].
22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thy only [son] Isaac, whom thou lovest, and go into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt-offering upon one of the mountains which I will name to thee. (Genesis).
Yes I know the title of this thread is ‘disgusting, blasphemous, insulting’ and the content is vile…
What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
This thread is gonna turn into a bloody war I can just feel it maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
Judda vs Revival
Bring it on!
What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
Don't get too jumped-up.
Not Judda v Revival
But Googled stuff v Revival
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SOURCE: [/b] http://www.submission.org/Ismail.html
Nah done on by a proper Islamic organisation in America…
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My bro works there
What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
Gonna insult him?
Bring it on coward!
What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
And what is the name of this organisation?
That website has wrong views!! maybe thats why it is best for those who dont have much knowledge not to google everythin all the time!
Submission.org Non Profit Organization
Submission.org
P.O. BOX 7033
Capistrano Beach, CA 92624
(949)218-5700
ICS/Masjid Tucson
P.O.Box 43476 , Tucson, Arizona 85733
Tel/fax (520) 323-7636
Website: masjidtucson.org
e-mail: info@masjidtucson.org
What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
Google :roll:
y go there, they have got 152256475344864456 sites calling muhammed a violent pedophile
What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
Another prime example on how you shouldnt believe everything you read.
Faith is not a popularity contest where it must become the mainstream religion to be accepted. You either believe in Islam or you dont. Simple as.
Choose your side...
Back in BLACK
Hmm, irrelavent for an Islamic forum but OK for an Islamic website.
:?
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I was wondering why there were so many quotes from the Bible on that site.
No we know.
I suposse you're one of them too, are you?
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1 That is not a muslim site.
2. Allah (swt) does test Hadhrat Ibrahim (as) with this test. he passes with flying colours, and is ordered to sacrifice a goat instead.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Salam
The story of Abraham and Ismael is interesting. It is written both in the Holy Bible and in the Holy Quran.
However, I don't believe that God would order one of His Friends to kill another of His Friend.
Omrow
Correct, but i gotta agree with this one...
Not true! my bro used 2 b a grave worshipper, oh i mean a brewli but he changed, i would rather he rejected hadith and sunnah then implored dead ppl, i agree with the whabis on this one, it is shirk!
I want to talk to someone that actually knows Arabic?
Not true!
I was thinking that too!
What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
I copied and pasted this from the site;
Questions, Comments and Answers
We receive many letters carrying comments, questions or additions to our article about Abraham and Ismail. Some of these comments are repetition. We had to create this folder to answer some of the most common questions and comments from the viewers of our web site. If you do not find your answer here or you have a good point to debate, please feel free to write back to us. This discussion was carried with one of our viewers named Tariq. He is Arabic speaking by his admission. Tariq's comments are between <<...>>
Salaam brother Tariq
Thank you for your letter.
I assure you that we all speak Arabic here and not just you.
Second, to speak Arabic is not a guarantee to be blessed by God.
Third of all your arguments, not only do they have no Quranic evidence to support them but they in fact contradict the Quran.
Now if you would like to research the following facts objectively and without letting your preconceptions affect your judgment you may be able to see the Quranic truth about this matter.
1- You said :
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If prophets are protected from following inspirations of Satan, why did Moses kill a man, and then say that what he did was the work of the devil and then he repented to God?
[28:15] “Once he (Moses) entered the city unexpectedly, without being recognized by the people. He found two men fighting; one was (a Hebrew) from his people, and the other was (an Egyptian) from his enemies. The one from his people called on him for help against his enemy. Moses punched him, killing him. He said, "This is the work of the devil; he is a real enemy, and a profound misleader."
[28:16] “He said, "My Lord, I have wronged my soul. Please forgive me," and He forgave him. He is the Forgiver, Most Merciful.”
I hope you can see here that Moses the prophet was under the inspiration of the devil as he said, in committing a gross sin of murder.
The same can be said of other prophets who God tells us they committed evil or sins and then repented to God ….. this includes Jonah, Joseph, Solomon, and also Muhammad.
2- You then say:
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Once again this is wrong as I showed you Quranic evidence that prophets were victims of Satan’s inspiration. Besides there is no Quranic evidence to support your claim that Ismail or Abraham knew it was a command from God. Can you give one Quranic evidence ?
3- You say:
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Would you like to explain to me how killing your innocent son may not be a gross crime ?
You say:
<<<<"While this gross crime of a father slaughtering his own son is mentioned in the Bible, it is not supported by the Quran">>>>>>>
You mean if it is mentioned in the Bible it is called (slaughtering your son) and is a gross crime. But if the same incident is in the Quran it is called a test and is ok??
The characters are the same (Abraham and his son) whether they are in the Bible or the Quran, they are the same people and the incident is the same.
4- You then ask:
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God was not rewarding Abraham for following the dream from Satan, God was protecting Abraham from the inspiration of Satan ….. that is the meaning of the verse, that God intervened to save Abraham from falling for Satan’s trick.
This is identical to the story of Joseph when God intervened to save Joseph from falling for Satan’s inspiration to commit adultery with his Master’s wife:
[12:23] "The lady of the house where he lived tried to seduce him. She closed the doors and said, "I am all yours." He said, "May GOD protect me. He is my Lord, who gave me a good home. The transgressors never succeed."
[12:24] “She almost succumbed to him, and he almost succumbed to her, if it were not that he saw a proof from his Lord. We thus diverted evil and sin away from him, for he was one of our devoted servants.”
You can see here that what God did to protect Joseph from committing adultery when he almost was going to, was not as you put it (reward for following Satan) but in fact protecting Joseph from falling for the inspiration of Satan.
In the case of Abraham , it is identical , God was not rewarding Abraham for falling for the inspiration of Satan, but in fact protecting Abraham from the inspiration of Satan.
Then you say:
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Abraham did not follow Satan, he was about to …… The same is said of Joseph ….. read the words :
“We thus diverted evil and sin away from him, for he was one of our devoted servants.”
By your same logic, why would God call Joseph (one of our devoted servants) when he was about to commit adultery, if God did not protect him ???
6- Then you say:
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If you have a son and you always taught him never to steal because it is a gross sin.
If one day you want to test him , would you test him by telling (go and steal some money for me ?).
Can't you see that the concept is ridiculous and totally irrational …… God always told us that killing an innocent soul is a gross sin …… how can God test Abraham or any other believer by asking to do something that we are always told is a gross sin ?
If you read the Quran, and more important believe it you would know that God never violates His Law. The law of God is to prohibit killing innocent souls. God will never break His law to test us !!!
[7:28] “They commit a gross sin, then say, "We found our parents doing this, and GOD has commanded us to do it." Say, "GOD NEVER ADVOCATES SIN. Are you saying about GOD what you do not know?"
7- Then You say:
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There is a great difference here, whether it was the young boy or killing the kufaar …….
If you read the verses in the Quran that prohibit killing you will always see the words (except in the course of justice).
[17: 33] “You shall not kill any person for this is prohibited by GOD except in the course of justice.” (also 6:151)
The boy in the story of Moses was evil and it was thus in God’s justice that he would be ordained to die. Also fighting the kufaar who attack the believers and killing them is in accordance with God’s justice since they are aggressors. By the way the Quran does not allow killing the Kufaar except in the case of war, in self defence, and not in the case of the believers being the aggressors.
Now we come to the case of killing Ismail. What crime did Ismail do to be killed? What kind of justice would killing an innocent prophet like Ismail be?
That is why it could never be in accordance with God’s justice, since Ismail was neither an evil man (like the boy in the story of Moses) or an attacking Kafir in war !!!
Can you see the difference ?
8- You also say:
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Where is your Quranic evidence that prophets are allowed to commit sins that normal believers are not allowed to commit?
It is true that prophets may be given some privileges that other men do not enjoy (like for examples the wealth given to Solomon , or the honor to have spoken to God as in the case of Moses). You will never find prophets given concessions to allow them to commit sins that others are prohibited from. You will never read of a prophet of God who is allowed to steal, kill or commit adultery (in the Quran).
Can you see the difference ?
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It is not what we think is right or wrong that matters …..
It is what God tells us is right or wrong that matters …..
God tells us that killing an innocent soul is a gross sin ….
You add:
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Who is twisting the law of God? The law of God prohibits killing innocent souls. Are we twisting it by emphasizing it ???
Finally you say:
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What you mentioned did not contain one Quranic evidence. The reply I gave you is full of Quranic Ayat. Maybe it is you who should remove the false concepts from your mind and start to believe Quranic evidence.
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In a reply to this e-mail Tariq wrote back. Here it is;
Salaam brother Tariq
You say :
<<<<“my arguments have the fullest support of the Quran and i dont think you are entitled to pass a judgment that they contradict Quran just because you have a different understanding of the Quran.>>>>>>
If your arguments have the fullest support of the Quran, how come in two letters you have not quoted any Quranic Ayat? Instead you say things like (as all muslim scholars agree!).
For your information all the priests and ministers all around the world agree that Jesus is God in the flesh ….. can that be called evidence? Does that mean they are correct?
I thought you may think about the Quranic Ayat I wrote but it seems you are not able.
All your claims have no Quranic support, no Quranic Ayat. An example you say:
<<< prophets are protected from the inspirations of satan after the prophicy, not befor it, when a prophet starts recieving the revelations and the words of Allah he becomes protected, >>>>>>>
What about Jonah, when God commanded him to go to his people and preach to them, then he forsake his mission in anger. Do you call that a sin or not (to forsake and disobey God’s command)?
[21:87] “And Zan-Noon (Jonah), abandoned his mission in protest, thinking that we could not control him. He ended up imploring from the darkness (of the big fish's belly): "There is no god other than You. Be You glorified. I have committed a gross sin."
From this verse we know that Jonah was a prophet and was receiving revelation and commands from God, and also in his own words he confesses to committing a gross sin.
So what you are saying is totally wrong. I have and am giving you Quranic evidence. But obviously you have decided to remain blind!
Then you say:
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Sadly, the only words you quoted from the Quran are used incorrectly! The words "la ya'ateeh al-bateel" are used in the Quran in connection to the Quran and not to the prophets (41:41-42)
If Muhammad was protected from sin and every word he spoke was revelation as you say , why does God reprimand Muhammad six times in the Quran for errors he made. Surely someone speaking only revelation could not speak error.
Among those errors that Muhammad was reprimanded for are the time when he prohibited something that God made lawful …… read 66:1 ….. (do you know that God calls the act of prohibiting what is made lawful by God a gross sin?)
"O you who believe, do not prohibit good things that are made lawful by God, and do not aggress; God dislikes the aggressors." 5:87
"Say, "Did you note how God sends down to you all kinds of provisions, then you render some of them unlawful, and some lawful?" Say, "Did God give you permission to do this? Or, do you fabricate lies and attribute them to God?" 10:59
On another occasion God reprimand Muhammad when he ignored the call of a blind man for guidance, because he preferred to debate with the rich leaders of Quraish …..(80:1-12)
There are also another 4 cases. If every word spoken by Muhammad is revelation then how can he be reprimanded by God?
I was hoping you would free yourself from all the corrupt concepts and study the truth of the Quran ……
The truth of the Quran is that Only God Almighty is worthy of praise, that we should follow His Law ALONE (Quran) if we worship Him alone. The prophets of God are human beings like us (except that they are chosen by God to deliver messages) ….. they are not divine.
[18:110] “Say (O Muhammad), "I am no more than a human like you, being inspired that your god is one god. Those who hope to meet their Lord shall work righteousness, and never worship any other god beside his Lord."
May I just warn you against idolizing God’s servants (Muhammad or any other messenger). .
[18:102] “Do those who disbelieve think that they can get away with setting up My servants as lords beside Me? We have prepared for the disbelievers Hell as an eternal abode.”
On Judgment day Muhammad himself will disown all those who glorified him day and night, or fill their prayers with commemoration of him …etc ……Jesus will do the same with those who called him Lord …etc ……
....well I am not a brewli so you may get offended by the above content when refering to Muhammed...
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I aint a submitter…
Depends which type of submitters you meet really, the ones I know fast and perform salat and do everything written in the Koran… they do it differently from me and you brewlis…
I was on about interpretation of the Koran… I hope some of you know Arabic, now let me give you an example of how adding/taking away just ONE word in the Koran can change the whole meaning of the verse;
In general Muslims believe that the hands of thieves should be cut off. Notice how the Koran says cut and NOT cut off and the line after that says your lord is merciful, those of you that know Arabic will notice that…
IMO hands being chopped off is harsh, what if the person was accused or framed? That’s not to say I don’t believe in amputating the hand.
But this argument about Ibrahim killing his son, I can’t agree with, me and my bro argue a lot about religion, but this time I got to give it to him…
What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
I'm VERY disappointed with u
the boy who claims that God's words can never be altered by man questions a story in the quran
u must be a mouse
Great someone that knows Arabic!
PM me and we’ll talk about interpretation of the Koran and see if we can come to a conclusion…
What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
Do you know all the hadith relating to all the subjects? If you read the Quran out of context, it can misguide you!
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Salaam
Omrow, I’m sure you know that, that was a test of love and loyalty.
A test to see if Hadrat Ibraheems (AS) loved anyone more then he loved his Creator.
He passed the test. This is why he gained the hourable status of being the “Friend of Allah”
And being All-Merciful and Kind, Allah (swt) did not allow the sacrifice to go ahead.
Allah (swt) would never allow any grief or sorrow to afflict one of His Friends.
Wasalaam
true...
I don't beleive this though...
Next time I'll use Koran as entertainment, not guidence dat way i wont get confused...
What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
what the.....?! 1st insulting God, and now the Quran! i cant wait 4 ur school to start again
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
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No offense or anything but you brelvis get annoyed very easily, every time i open my mouth i am disrespecting you, gimmee a list of stuff you dont want me to say then i wont say it...
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