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split from Valentine's Day thread. slanging matches will not be tolerated.
- The Moderate Mod[/b]
i don't claim to be an expert on deobandis but i do know a few. The deobandi mosque in my town doesn't say mawlid is sinful to practise. but it neither makes it an "obligatory act"which muslims must practise in order to be considered amongst those who truly love our prophet 
or looks upon those who do it as sinners . What it discourages are things which often occur during these events in the name of piety such as free mixing, wasting money in excessive bling bling decorations and elaborate foods etc etc.
I follow mufti Taqi Uthmani's view which is pretty much in line with the above. I wouldn't be totally against attending a mawlid gathering i wouldn't consider it a sin as such. But i wouldn't see it as something i must be at the mosque for annually on a particular date to practise either. I prefer doing any extra acts of worship at home rather than in congregation but that's just my personal preference nothing more.
As it goes when i was a kid i was educated in for want of a better word berelvi mosque, i never knew what the word meant. As far as i was concerned i was in a mosque learning to read the Quran with fellow muslims. Looking back now this mosque did celebrate mawlid but i never saw any intermixing, however i did see an utter wastage of food, and money with tacky ostentatious decorations. Ironic really coz this mosque had the most disgusting ablution and toilet area. Considering this is a place of worship that area should have been highly maintained, i kid you not it was filthy. I'm not attributing this to berelvis im sure mosques of other followers can pose the same sort of problems. anyways this mosque only recently cleaned up its act. Well hey the board of governers are too busy fighting for power and money, no time to clean the toilets. So lets see 15 yrs or more on they refit the toilet area but in the meantime they have money to waste dishing out food half of which goes in the bin thruout the year i mean,not just on special days, every friday as it goes.
I dont think mosques should dish out food they should have a separate area from which to do this to reduce wastage and keep the mosque clean and fit for it's purpose which is worship not eating. The mosque in edinburgh has a separate kitchen and outdoor cafateria section where muslims and non muslims can get a large portion of food for like 2 quid. i guess the proceeds go towards the mosque maintenance or charity, good idea for mosques in uk to follow huh? How about feeding the homeless rather than binning the food.
I second this as their position.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Allahhu Akabr, brother i don't think islam teaches you to insult another brother in Islam, well unless you consider me a mislead one, then it's different story.
[b]i'm still waiting for your proof, stop claiming which scholar said what. How about some proof here!![/b] So according to you there was nothing in 4 centuries of Islam and you also accepted that it's bidah, something created afterwards by someone, alhamdulillah. So basically 1000 years ago suddenly some random people came into Islamic history and started claiming that we should celebrate malwid and if someone asks why, oh because we love Allah's Rasoul(SAW). So it means that, people who came before were stupid and didn't know how to express their love toward prophet(SAW) or they didn't love him, astegfirullah. Please don't confuse other people here.
forget this, Imaam Ibn Hajar (RA) himself accepted that milwad is a bida'h and already quote you the hadith in regard that whatever is new in Islam, it'll be rejected.
the question is very simple, how come the shaba(RA) who loved prophet(SAW) so much didn't come up with this idea, or Tabians. Why 400 years later muslims? if you love prophet(SAW) so much then why not celebrate it everyday? Is it that only on 12 rabiul awal when your love for Prophet(SAW) starts touching the skies?
momin can you please not start a discussion on mawlid in this thread, its already been discussed countless times. if you want to know Ed's views just search for the previous threads on mawlid and read his posts there. people who argue on this issue inevitably end up going around in circles, it doesn't achieve anything. everyone has their own opinion which you are not likely to change so accept that. no need to get so worked up over it (you too Ed).
wassalaam.
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It is related from the route of Jarir Ibn Abdullah RA that the prophet PBUH said:
[b]Whosoever introduced a beneficiary action in Islam will be rewarded for his practice as well as for the practice as well as for the practice of the people who follow him,[/b] without lessening their reward. Whosoever introduced a bad practice in Islam will take the sin for it as well as the sin of the people who follow him, without lessening their sin. (Muslim).
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I recommend you brother momin to get hold of the book Mawlid-Un-Nabi by Minhaj-ul-Quran publications, it's a free publication. It has two parts to it - "The religious and Legal status of the birthday of the Beloved prophet Muhmmad SAW, in the light of the Quran and Sunnah" and "The concept of Bidah". Everything will become very clear once you've read that book.
Salaam. [/color][/b]
hahhah
ur funny...
so the hundreds of imams, giants of Islam, ulama, muhadith, faqihs, masters of tafseer, awliya, all including the likes of imam shafi, imam asqalani, imam suyuti, imam nawawi, imam, ibn kathir, imam ibn jawzi, imam zurqani, imam qastallani, imam alusi, imam ibn abideen, shah walliullah, haji imdadullah muhajir maki.....and on and on and on.....ALL SAY MAWLID IS ALLOWED, PERMISSIBLE, RECOMMENDED, PRAISWORTHY....AND ALL BELIEVE IN BIDAH HASANAH... ALL KNOW PROPHET AND SAHABAH DIDNT CELEBRATE MAWLID YET SAID ITS ALLOWED AND CELEBRATED IT THEMSELVES.....
SO CLEVER CLOGS...[u]ARE ALL THESE IMAMS COMMITING KUFR, ARE THEY COMMITING BIDAH WHICh WILL LEAD THEM TO HELL, ARE THE[/u]Y JAAHIL, DID [u]YOU[/u] UNDERSTAND ISLAM BETTER THAN THEM....
SO BEFORE YOU LECTURE ANYONE ABOUT WHAT IS ALLOWED, WHAT IS KUFR, WHAT IS BIDAH, WHAT THE RULING IS ON INNOVATIONS AND ITS CATEGORIES....LEARN SOME BASIC KNOWLEDGE FIRST....
ok, who is saying what?
can I have short sharp bullet points?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
hahahaha, brother you're the one who is making me laugh, Subhaan Allah
i never said anything about great scholars and please don't make up stuff. you contradict yourself over and over again. 1st you started with 1000 years then you mentioned the names of two great scholars of Islam and then you mentioned the names of all the great scholars of Islam. But no proof is provided to support your claim.
Just for your info, i don't post some random stuff and make up. If the hadith i quoted don't exits then say something otherwise stop calling people mudalis.
whatever i don't want to discuss this anymore because you don't even know what you're talking about. Just for your info, even your bralavi brothers accept that in whole islamic history only two scholars of Islam said something about maliwad being ok, and i read it from a bralavi source. I definitely need to check on that whether it's correct or not. And you mentioned the names of those 2 scholars in earlier post. Rest of scholars didn't say anything about milwad being permissible.
@noor
Jazak Allah khair for your offer sister but i don't read stuff written by mislead people, alhamdulillah. As far concerning the hadith you posted, i've look into it. If you post the exact reference for it, i would really appreciate that. Two authentic ahadith can't contradict each other and i'm referring to the hadith which i quoted earlier from Bukhari and Muslim "Whoever introduces anything into this matters of ours shall have it rejected". Both of ahadith are contradicting each other!
Fare Well, believers in Islam
May Allah Ta'ala guides us on to the straight Path and fix all the bralavis' aqeeda, Ameen!
thats what you are..a sect..a follower of a sect...a guy who thinks his deobandi/wahabi aqeeda is ok and condemns all classical scholars to misguidance/ bidah....
keep ur sect to urself pls
typical innit....anyone who agrees to mawlid automatically is bralwee... so ALL th eimams i mentioned are brelwi!!!! .... whats wrong with u ...
i have no respect for misguided deobandi/wahabi'salafis who have no knowledge of anything...quote a hadith yet dont know its meaning, where its applied....
u quote two hadith yet dont know its meaning and what classical scholars have said regarding it... yet dont know what ALL the imams have said about bidah.... cos u have been infected with the salafi disease which has no regard for classical schol;ars...just d.i.y. fatwas....
even the shaykh of all the deobandi scholars haji imdad ullah muhajjir makki is in favour of mawlid and bidah hasanah...
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YOU WANTED PROOF, HERE GOES...BUT ITS NOT FROM YOUR SECT BUT FROM CLASSICAL ISLAM:[/b]
WHAT IS BIDAH AND ITS CATEGORIES:
http://www.livingislam.org/n/bida_e.html
the above smashes your concept of bidah
and this crushes it further:
http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/nuh/bida.htm
and shock , horror...none of the authors or scholars quoted are brelwi!!!!
fatwa of rightly guided imams on mawlid:
http://www.livingislam.org/n/mwld_e.html
this is excellent and goes in to details of the classical scholars who say it is permissible AND the classical scholars who say bidah ha smany categories, NOT every innovation is misguidance....
http://www.geocities.com/~abdulwahid/muslimarticles/mawlid.html
FOR YOUR OWN SAKE, PLS READ ALL LINKS ABOVE.... AND IF YOU HAVE A DECENT REPLY THEN PM ME PLS AN DWE CAN TAKE THIS FURTHER.... AS ITS NOT FAIR ON OTHERS TO LISTEN TO YOUR BASELESS RANTINGS...
[b][color=indigo]To brother momin.
How can u be so sure that you’re on the right path and everyone else who doesn't agree with is on the wrong path? Have you been told from above that you’re on the correct path and aqeedah? I mean, talk about being big-headed and arrogant. Like I said, if you read the book I mentioned everything will become clear, swallow your pride and just pick up the book. And as Ed said, why do assume that everyone who celebrates the blessed occasion of Mawlid-un-Nabi is a brewli. There are proofs after proofs on the permissibility of Mawlid-un-Nabi.
This may be the book that leads you out of darkness and into light.
You can do bro! Pick up the book! :D[/color][/b]
yep brelvis, deobandis, salafis, wahabis are all sects, are all there to divide us, are all followers of a person/nation/group and all are not ahlus sunnah....
i dont say i am brelwi, i dont like brelwi mentality or beliefs cos they are as bad as the deobandis and wahabis, salafis, but i am accused of being brelwi:-)...soo funny!
i only attack when my beliefs are attacked and when i am accused of belonging to certain sects when i am against all sects...
momin and his like love this.... inciting ppl to react.... cos they get a buzz out of dividing the ummah and accusing ppl of kufr, shirk, bidah....
I wonder what I am????? Can't we just be plain and simple muslims??!! And just follow the quran??
live and let live!!!!!!!
Spot on sis. anyway its clear that u dnt aprove of mawlid and thats fine. we dnt have a problem wid that so y do u have a problem wid us hu celebrte it? wer gona go in our own graves and allah will question us individually. so lets leave it at tht
A rose protects its beauty with thorns..a woman protects hers with a veil
Best to simply be Muslims and follow the Qur'an and Sunnah, but thern there are issues of things not explicitly covered by either.
(rules have to be explicit. If it is implicit, then the action is either liked or disliked, not banned/must do...)
With Mawlid the majority opinion is you can celebrate it, but after that it splinters.
Some say you can celebrate it, but all year around. You cannot confine it to a certain date. Some argue what is the harm? Others say people do badd baad things on it so it should be avoided. Others say the baad baad things should be avoided, not the mawlid.
And then there are some who go and say it is NOT allowed at all. And others who say it MUST MUST be celebrated, but these latter arguments are normally by those who have not studied too much, as most groups accept its permissibility to a certain level.
I am not sure there is any group who's top scholars say it is banned outright, but have hjeard plenty of lesser people argue it. Same goes for the opposite point of it being a MUST on a certain date.
PS It is probably not recommending a book on here. It will just be ignored.
Live and let live. Remember Islam is not supposed to be hard.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
The great Hanafi jurist, Imam Ibn Abidin (Allah have mercy on him) states in his renowned Sharh Uqud Rasm al-Mufti:
[i]"Branding someone a non-believer (kafir) is a great thing indeed; hence, I do not label a believer as a non-believer as long as one sign of him believing is found....One should not issue a Fatwa of a believer's disbelief (kufr) as long as it is possible to interpret his statement in a justified manner, or there is a difference of opinion regarding him disbelieving, even if there is a weak narration."[/i]
(Sharh Uqud Rasm al-Mufti, 1/36)
Thus, one should not haste in branding and terming other Muslims as disbelievers or sinners and innovators, for branding a Muslim a disbeliever is a grave thing indeed.
The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him eternal peace) said:[i] "Any person who calls his brother: O Unbeliever! (then the truth of this label) would return to one of them. If it is true, (then it is) as he asserted, (but if it is not true), then it returns to him (and thus the person who made the accusation is an Unbeliever)." [/i](Sahih al-Bukhari, no: 6130 & Sahih Muslim, no: 60, reported by Ibn Umar, Allah be pleased with him)
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We Muslims always complain that we are disunited.. if we begin calling others miguided/mislead, then we are only adding to the divisions.. We are being part of the problem, not the solution. Quite sad really.
May Allah shine sweet faith upon you this day and times beyond. May your heart be enriched with peace, and may your home be blessed always. Ameen.
Mashallah, beautiful post.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.