I thought torture was illegal

Some guy in a library in America.

Very disturbing.

These 'guards' should be hung.

not so much the video, but the sound.

It is of some student being repeatedly tasered, originally for not producing his ID when leaving the library, and then for not being able to stand up.

Quote:
[size=18]Community responds to Taser use in Powell[/size]

An incident late Tuesday night in which a UCLA student was stunned at least four times with a Taser has left the UCLA community questioning whether the university police officers' use of force was an appropriate response to the situation.

Mostafa Tabatabainejad, a UCLA student, was repeatedly stunned with a Taser and then taken into custody when he did not exit the CLICC Lab in Powell Library in a timely manner. Community Service Officers had asked Tabatabainejad to leave after he failed to produce his BruinCard during a random check at around 11:30 p.m. Tuesday.

UCPD Assistant Chief of Police Jeff Young said the checks are a standard procedure in the library after 11 p.m.

"Because of the safety of the students we limit the use after 11 to just students, staff and faculty," Young said.

Young said the CSOs on duty in the library at the time went to get UCPD officers when Tabatabainejad did not immediately leave, and UCPD officers resorted to use of the Taser when Tabatabainejad did not do as he was told.

A six-minute video showed Tabatabainejad audibly screaming in pain as he was stunned several times with a Taser, each time for three to five seconds. He was told repeatedly to stand up and stop fighting, and was told that if he did not do so he would "get Tased again."

Tabatabainejad was also stunned with the Taser when he was already handcuffed, said Carlos Zaragoza, a third-year English and history student who witnessed the incident.

"(He was) no possible danger to any of the police," Zaragoza said. "(He was) getting shocked and Tasered as he was handcuffed."

But Young said at the time the police likely had no way of knowing whether the individual was armed or that he was a student.

As Tabatabainejad was being dragged through the room by two officers, he repeated in a strained scream, "I'm not fighting you" and "I said I would leave."

The officers used the "drive stun" setting in the Taser, which delivers a shock to a specific part of the body with the front of the Taser, Young said.

A Taser delivers volts of low-amperage energy to the body, causing a disruption of the body's electrical energy pulses and locking the muscles, according to a report by the American Civil Liberties Union.

"It's an electrical shock. ... It causes pain," Young said, adding that the drive stun would not likely demobilize a person or cause residual pain after the shock was administered. Young also said a Taser is less forceful than a baton, for example.

But according to a study published in the Lancet Medical Journal in 2001, a charge of three to five seconds can result in immobilization for five to 15 minutes, which would mean that Tabatabainejad could have been physically unable to stand when the officers demanded that he do so.

"It is a real mistake to treat a Taser as some benign thing that painlessly brings people under control," said Peter Eliasberg, managing attorney at the ACLU of Southern California.

"The Taser can be incredibly violent and result in death," Eliasberg said.

According to an ACLU report, 148 people in the United States and Canada have died as a result of the use of Tasers since 1999.

During the altercation between Tabatabainejad and the officers, bystanders can be heard in the video repeatedly asking the officers to stop and requesting their names and identification numbers. The video showed one officer responding to a student by threatening that the student would "get Tased too." At this point, the officer was still holding a Taser.

Such a threat of the use of force by a law enforcement officer in response to a request for a badge number is an "illegal assault," Eliasberg said.

"It is absolutely illegal to threaten anyone who asks for a badge â€" that's assault," he said.

Tabatabainejad was released from custody after being given a citation for obstruction/delay of a peace officer in the performance of duty.

Neither Tabatabainejad nor his family were giving interviews Wednesday.

Police officers said they determined the use of Tasers was necessary when Tabatabainejad did not do as they asked.

According to a UCPD press release, Tabatabainejad went limp and refused to exit as the officers attempted to escort him out. The release also stated Tabatabainejad "encouraged library patrons to join his resistance." At this point, the officers "deemed it necessary to use the Taser in a "drive stun' capacity."

"He wasn't cooperative; he wouldn't identify himself. He resisted the officers," Young said.

Neither the video footage nor eyewitness accounts of the events confirmed that Tabatabainejad encouraged resistance, and he repeatedly told the officers he was not fighting and would leave.

Tabatabainejad was walking with his backpack toward the door when he was approached by two UCPD officers, one of whom grabbed the student's arm. In response, Tabatabainejad yelled at the officers to "get off me." Following this demand, Tabatabainejad was stunned with a Taser.

UCPD and the UCLA administration would not comment on the specifics of the incident as it is still under investigation.

In a statement released Wednesday, Interim Chancellor Norman Abrams said investigators were reviewing the situation and the officers' actions.

"I can assure you that these reviews will be thorough, vigorous and fair," Abrams said.

The incident, which Zaragoza described as an example of "police brutality," left many students disturbed.

"I realize when looking at these kind of arrest tapes that they don't always show the full picture. ... But that six minutes that we can watch just seems like it's a ridiculous amount of force for someone being escorted because they forgot their BruinCard," said Ali Ghandour, a fourth-year anthropology student.

"It certainly makes you wonder if something as small as forgetting your BruinCard can eventually lead to getting Tased several times in front of the library," he added.

Edouard Tchertchian, a third-year mathematics student, said he was concerned that the student was not offered any other means of showing that he was a UCLA student.

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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Cray 2

seriously, for those of you who are emotional people, don't watch the video. [size=9]it made me cry.[/size] [size=7]and it takes a lot to make me cry.[/size]

[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=, X-Men[/url]

[color=indigo][b]All you hear is a guy just screaming and yelling... its OK to watch and it aint that emotional.[/b][/color]

"Noor...*" wrote:
[color=indigo][b]All you hear is a guy just screaming and yelling... its OK to watch and it aint that emotional.[/b][/color]

if you look hard enough you don't only hear him, you can see what they are doing to him as well. did you make out any of what he was saying? do you know wot a taser gun is? and did you read the article? putting all those things together and then watching it, hit me hard. fine it may not affect others in the same way, but i've never seen that kinda abuse in the West. brings it closer to home. that was just a random kid in a Uni in the States who made the mistake of not bringing his ID with him to the library, it could have been my own brother.

[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=, X-Men[/url]

[color=indigo][b]Naah i didnt read that article, waay too long and i was watching that video thingy with low volume so it wasnt as dramatic so your probally right.. [/b][/color]

Salam

I agree with light.

She did not find it disturbing because it was not disturbing.

The police were simply arresting some guy who was not cooperating.

He was making too much noise like a woman.

I have no idea why the dusty woman got upset.

Maybe she cannot stand a man crying like a woman.

The video had absolutely nothing to do with torture.

If police were abusing anyone, then I am sure
American students would have jumped in and beat the crap out of officers.

This was just some bored student filming it on his mobile and decided to share it.

Omrow

"Omrow" wrote:
He was making too much noise like a woman.

I have no idea why the dusty woman got upset.

Maybe she cannot stand a man crying like a woman.


Do you know how it feels like when you are being 'tazered'.....it must hurt like mad, I don't blame him for screaming the way he did. If that guy was me, I would have screamed even louder.

"Omrow" wrote:
The video had absolutely nothing to do with torture.

Electrocution is a form of torture, he was 'tazered' several times even though he was physically unable to stand up when he was told to do so "...a charge of three to five seconds can result in immobilization for five to 15 minutes, which would mean that Tabatabainejad could have been physically unable to stand when the officers demanded that he do so."

"Omrow" wrote:
If police were abusing anyone, then I am sure
American students would have jumped in and beat the crap out of officers.

Yeah and get thrown into jail for a few weeks/months for assaulting a police officer :roll:

does anyone know what lynched mean? i think it has something to do with torture?

Character is like a tree and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.

It IS pretty upsetting.

But to be honest you need to actually hear what is happening. the pictures are pretty blurry, and you can make out what is happening. but it is the sounds that are powerful.

And you can clearly hear the guy saying 'I will leave' and 'I am not fighting you' but the officers just keep saying 'stand up or we will do it again'.

According to the article, you can be immobile (unable to move/stand) for upto 15 minutes after being tasered. Tasering is not harmless and has led to hundreds of deaths.

When others ask the officers for their ID, they threaten to taser them aswell.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

that is pure torture...........you can tell the guy is in pain, and is even saying that he'll leave. the cops didn't have to do all that. WHat must happen if someone commited a serious crime??

there must be loads of students out there that forget thier id cards, and I know so many that'll still try and get in to college/uni!! They don't expect to be arrested and tortured.

live and let live!!!!!!!

"Admin" wrote:
It IS pretty upsetting.

But to be honest you need to actually hear what is happening. the pictures are pretty blurry, and you can make out what is happening. but it is the sounds that are powerful.

And you can clearly hear the guy saying 'I will leave' and 'I am not fighting you' but the officers just keep saying 'stand up or we will do it again'.

According to the article, you can be immobile (unable to move/stand) for upto 15 minutes after being tasered. Tasering is not harmless and has led to hundreds of deaths.

When others ask the officers for their ID, they threaten to taser them aswell.


exactly. i read somewhere else that they tasered him 7 times in total. how the hell did they expect him to stand up? the students were shouting at the officers to stop tasering him but as you said they got threatened. there was a point when they were at the library entrance, police were repeatedly shouting at the kid to stand up and threatening to taser him, and students were shouting 'don't do it!' but they did and you could see him being tasered... Cray 2 the image is going to stay with me for life. :?

[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=, X-Men[/url]

7 times! Is that it? They should have lynched him.

He who sacrifices his conscience to ambition, burns a picture to obtain the ashes!

Salam

"zara" wrote:

does anyone know what lynched mean?

It means to hang a person without a trial.

When a crowd of people gets really angry, they often
take the law into their own hands, and they hang
whoever they believe is guilty of upsetting them.

If President Bush were to take a walk in Kabul,
the poor guy would be lynched by the mob, deservedly.

Omrow

Assuming we have all the relevant information it is pretty clear that the police officers abused their powers and this guy got a very raw deal. I don't have sound on this PC so I may be missing something.

[size=10]I feel I'm gonna move on back down south
you know where the water tastes like cherry wine[/size]

It's very upsetting to watch, if I say a word or to in regards to the coppers behaviour I'd probably be banned from this forum. They are animals, the guy couldnt even stand up yet they demanded he did, inhumane.

mmmm- what the hell you on?

"The Great 100" wrote:
Assuming we have all the relevant information it is pretty clear that the police officers abused their powers and this guy got a very raw deal. I don't have sound on this PC so I may be missing something.

It's the sound that gets you.

Gotta say there are bad people everywhere.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.