His comments are baseless accusations at best.

I would certainly like to see where the 'governement has catering to muslims to the point of discriminating against it's own people'... and what do you mean own people? Whats that supposed to mean?
Are you saying we're not British simply because we're not Christians? Or are you saying we're not British coz we're not white? Theres a word for such people and thats 'Racist'. So what exactly do you mean by "own people"?

You're friends the KKK (Ku Klux Klan) is the name of a number of past and present fraternal organizations in the United States that have advocated white supremacy, anti-Semitism, racism, anti-Catholicism, homophobia, and nativism. These organizations have often used terrorism, violence and acts of intimidation such as cross burnings to oppress African Americans and others. So they maybe a nice peaceful group to YOU but anyone who doesnt fit into their vision is certainly NOT a friend of theirs.

And the west may hate muslims, but we're trying to revoke the violence, not promote the violence.

"TEX" wrote:

I had to create a separate thread for this...

the following quote is taking from the thread about Jack Straw's comment...

"stmark" wrote:

Dhimmis are muslim second class citizens who pay jizya, like christians and jews in islamland. [b]The government has been catering to muslims to the point of discriminating against it's own people[/b] and I just think they're not going to do that anymore. I don't know what's going to happen but something will and I think there will be more deportations of islamic radicals.

are marks comments just or unjust?

and Mark were u refering to "black/Brown" muslims, were u also refering to "white muslims"??

this shud start a red hot debate...

That's just the impression I get from reading the disscussion forums. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article...
Police force admits discriminating against white recruits
by JAMES SLACK

NEWS HOMEPAGE
A police force has admitted breaking the law with a secret policy of 'deselecting' more than 100 potential recruits for no other reason than being white men.

Humiliated Gloucestershire Police said it had been trying to 'advance diversity' when it rejected the 108 men in favour of women and ethnic minority candidates.

But Chief Constable Dr Timothy Brain's force confessed it had acted unlawfully by dashing the men's dreams because of their sex and skin colour.

It agreed to pay one of the snubbed men, 30-year-old Matt Powell, £2,500 in damages.

The tribunal said the force had been 'at the very least disingenuous and at worst misleading'. It could spark a barrage of further claims, each of which would be settled from police funds drained from local taxpayers.

Mr Powell, who has wanted to join the police since he was a child, said: 'I didn't come here for the money. I just want to be heard.

'I firmly believe a wrong has been done here. I was, I still am, desperate to be a police officer and they have unfairly discriminated against me.'

Critics seized on the ruling as further evidence of the way 'political correctness' has taken charge of the police and other public bodies.

The force was under pressure to meet a Government target of ethnic minority recruits making up seven per cent of force strength by 2009.

At the time, they made-up only 1.6 per cent, forcing senior commanders to take desperate - and illegal - measures.

Last night Tory police spokesman Nick Herbert said: 'All forces should strive as representative as possible of the community they serve, but positive discrimination is not the way.

'This approach only costs taxpayers money in the end.'

Police advertised for recruits last year, without admitting they were intending to discriminate against white males.

IT worker Mr Powell, along with the 107 other men was told he had made it through to the second round of the recruitment process.

But, two months later, they received letters stating they had been 'randomly deselected'. No explanation was given by recruitment officials.

It has since emerged the police had taken the decision to deselect the men as part of an 'advance diversity' drive. Every one of the 129 female and ethnic minority candidate who applied was accepted, along with 63 white males who escaped the illegal cull.

Police only came clean following an investigation by the Commission for Racial Equality and the Equal Opportunities Commission, yesterday's employment tribunal was told.

Gordon Ramsey, head of human resources at Gloucestershire Police, told the hearing: 'We were trying to advance diversity in the force and we thought at the time that this was lawful, positive action.

'When we found out after an independent investigation that it wasn't lawful, we accepted that. We apologise for the distress caused to Mr Powell and the other candidates.'

Clive Toomer, chairman of the tribunal, said the £2,500 - which will be paid by the tax-payer - was for 'injury to feelings'.

He said: 'We accept the respondent Gloucestershire Police was at the very least disingenuous and at worst misleading during the early stages of the application.

'We accept Matt Powell was entitled to feel angry and distressed at the way he was treated.' His solicitor Nigel Tillott said: 'The impact of this is it is now clear how far public authorities can go in positive discrimination.

'What they cannot do is discriminate against white males when it comes to job applications. Gloucestershire Police have admitted they were wrong.'

Gloucestershire is the second force to fall foul of race relation laws, which allow for 'positive action' to boost the number of ethnic minority candidates but not discrimination.

Avon and Somerset were also embroiled in a 'race row' claim after it rejected 186 white applicants at the first stage of selection.

In November 2005 the force received 800 applications for just 180 jobs. The force admitted they also deselected the applicants in a bid to increase its ethnic diversity.

Avon and Somerset Police Chief Constable Colin Port admitted he had 'over-stepped the mark.'

The Police Federation believes other forces are guilty of operating similar policies, but have yet to be found out.

Yesterday's ruling paves the way for any white male who believes he has been discriminated to go to tribunal, provided they have proof against their force.

The seven per cent target for ethnic minorities was drawn up after a public inquiry found the 1993 murderers of black student Stephen Lawrence had evaded justice, in part because of institutional racism among officers.

At the time of its 'de-selection' policy, just 2.8 per cent of Gloucestershire's population was from an ethnic minority, according to the 2001 census, compared to an average of 8.7 per cent across England and Wales.

Only 21 of its 1,313 officers were from ethnic minorities, or 1.6 per cent

"TEX" wrote:

look at what else he had said...

"stmark" wrote:

You've been brainwashed by the media. The kkk is a nice peaceful group, you just have to get to know them. They realy are a religion of peace. :roll:

I think i will dissmiss him as an ignorent pig

Why is that? Because I mentioned the kkk, some people are just as offended by full muslim dress as you are when I compare it to the kkk costume.

"Seraphim" wrote:

His comments are baseless accusations at best.

I would certainly like to see where the 'governement has catering to muslims to the point of discriminating against it's own people'... and what do you mean own people? Whats that supposed to mean?
Are you saying we're not British simply because we're not Christians? Or are you saying we're not British coz we're not white? Theres a word for such people and thats 'Racist'. So what exactly do you mean by "own people"?

You're friends the KKK (Ku Klux Klan) is the name of a number of past and present fraternal organizations in the United States that have advocated white supremacy, anti-Semitism, racism, anti-Catholicism, homophobia, and nativism. These organizations have often used terrorism, violence and acts of intimidation such as cross burnings to oppress African Americans and others. So they maybe a nice peaceful group to YOU but anyone who doesnt fit into their vision is certainly NOT a friend of theirs.

And the west may hate muslims, but we're trying to revoke the violence, not promote the violence.

It's in the other thread. Your british if you were born there or have received citizenship otherwise you are an immigrant and in some cases the government has catered to immigrants rather than the indigenous population. The kkk is not my freind and the only thing I knew about them was they used to terrorize blacks. If you want to change the western view of islam and muslims it would help if the ones that wear the veils didn't insist on wearing them all the time.

"TEX" wrote:

nice one seraph! :twisted:

mashallah an excellent post! :o

i wonder what that idiot has to say about this now!!

"Seraphim" wrote:

Are you saying we're not British simply because we're not Christians? Or are you saying we're not British coz we're not white? Theres a word for such people and thats 'Racist'. So what exactly do you mean by "own people"?

lol that'll boggle his mind! :twisted:
Mark u still need to provide the alleged verse in the quran that tells muslims to force sharia around the world... other wise it is nothing but slander

I guess muslim clerics have been slandering islam. Surat Al-Anfal. Allah, the Almighty said: "And make ready against them all you can of power, including steeds of war ( tanks, planes, missiles, artillery) to threaten the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides whom you may not know, but whom Allah does know. And whatever you spend in the Cause of Allah will be repaid to you, and you will not be treated unjustly.” (Al-Anfal (8):60).

Salam

"TEX" wrote:

are marks comments just or unjust?

They are fair.

The extremist version of Islam is not a nice thing.

Its a bloodthirsty monster.

Omrow

"TEX" wrote:

Mark would u regard "white" muslims as "immigrants"

and would u regard "black/brown" chrisitans as "immigrants"?

Christianity is almost dead in England, most ppl are athiests.

If they immigrated that is the definition of immigrant. It doesn't have anything to do with what color you are. If they came from another country and haven't received citizenship they are immigrants.

"TEX" wrote:

"TPM" wrote:

[b]EDIT
-TPM[/b]

that was uncalled for! :evil:

"Omrow" wrote:

The extremist version of Islam is not a nice thing.

Its a bloodthirsty monster.

The extremest version is no way mainstream

he's an islamophobic pig

In other words I speak the truth about radical islam. Every time somebody critisizes islam or mohammed musli,ms say that. Most of the critics are non whites, we're too politically correct to do it most of them are former muslims.

"TEX" wrote:

dude islam is colour blind

Quote:

Every time somebody critisizes islam or mohammed musli,ms say that.

but its tru

"stmark" wrote:

"TEX" wrote:

Mark would u regard "white" muslims as "immigrants"

and would u regard "black/brown" chrisitans as "immigrants"?

Christianity is almost dead in England, most ppl are athiests.

If they immigrated that is the definition of immigrant. It doesn't have anything to do with what color you are. If they came from another country and haven't received citizenship they are immigrants.

i can assure u most ppl on da forum were born here

Then they are british. They just want to have their own culture which won't work without comprimise on some things. Multiculturalism iss a myth. You are part of british culture.

British culture is a myth.

There is no monoculture found here.

[b][color=indigo]Fish and Chips.[/color][/b]

"TEX" wrote:

what do u mean by "british culture"?

how would u define it?

However they live, their way of life. What do you think the word culture means?

"TEX" wrote:

"Noor...*" wrote:

[b][color=indigo]Fish and Chips.[/color][/b]

i lurv fish and chips

but Noor curry is the most popular dish in britain, all da white ppl eat it

I hwar they like black pudding too, made from pigs blood, it sounds gross.

There is no british monoculture.

"Admin" wrote:

There is no british monoculture.

I would say it's a multicultured culture. What is a culture?How would you define the word culture?

Salam

I love the British culture.

Its so beautiful.

Its truly unique what we have here in Britain.

And we should all work towards preserving it.

I, and my friends, are probably the only muslims in our area who feel this way.

Many other muslims in the community say that
they do like Britain but not necessarily the British way of life.
They feel society is against them.

It takes a bit of convincing to rid them of the fear of non-muslims.

Omrow

I'm not seeing it that way.

There isn't much in British culture which is unique - except for the history ofcourse. The best of British culture is not much different from the best of English-speaking culture generally. And that's not much different from European culture.

Whatever distinctively British culture there is, it's not "beautiful" (only relatively) or even worth "preserving". In Britain we have variations and different degrees of cultural manifestations found eslewhere in Europe and the rest of the world. Pop music, cinema, modern literature is almost the same everywhere in the world. The various regional or national distinctions can be appreciated on their own merits or comparatively. But these manifestations are always changing - and many instances conforming.

It's this change towards an increasingly monocultural world that some people are afraid of - be they the BNP, Al Qaeda or Boris Johnson. In this increasingly conformist world insecure people are latching onto whatever cultural distinctions they can find. In Britain it's "Britishness" that is banded about without any explanation given as to what "Britishness" is - no-one wants to admit that it has been reduced to a geographical and historical category.

What is needed is a greater appreciation and promotion of civic and democratic values - added to that IMO should be a sense of shared global historical culture. But old-fashioned people want to hold onto some imagined national cultural identity.

"stmark" wrote:

"Admin" wrote:

There is no british monoculture.

I would say it's a multicultured culture. What is a culture?How would you define the word culture?

It is not about how I define it. culture is something you do. if you define it too deeply it is no longer culture.

a multicultured culture is one which is always adapting. On where people will not always be able to accept aspects of other cultures.

all that is requested is tolerance.

so asking people to accept british culture is a trap.

Salam

The thing is that if you are often thinking
that Christians are against you, Jews are against you,
atheists are against you, then you are not going to see
the good things in them.

In a prejudiced state of mind, one sees only the negative.

Omrow

"Omrow" wrote:

Salam

The thing is that if you are often thinking
that Christians are against you, Jews are against you,
atheists are against you, then you are not going to see
the good things in them.

In a prejudiced state of mind, one sees only the negative.

Omrow

And in a postive state one is blinded by the light; where darkness can seem like light.

Islam is a blessing to the west,..

not a threat..