Massacre(s) In Iraq

Published by You on 2 June, 2006 - 00:10

Well the allegations are finally gaining traction.

Apparently there are three separate incidents being investigated, with some US marines actually testifying to brutality by their colleagues.

And there is some video available at [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/3681938.stm]the beeb[/url] from just after one of the incidents, the one at ishaqi where 11 members of a family were killed.

They have blurred out the headshot wounds. On newsnight they showed more graphic pictures of the children, clearly showing headshot bullet wounds.

The Iraqi Police are contradicting the US Army position on this event at Haditha.

It is possible the military is telling the truth (while the news anchors are contradicting it, its possible the people died by the bullets as the soldiers fired on the house, which later collapsed). The Police and witnesses are saying the military entered the building, and killed the people in the houise, shooting each one in the stomach and the head. According to hospital sources, every victim had bullet wounds.

There is also an issue of a coverup of an earlier incident in November, and another in march. All three are now being investigated, however there are claims they were covered up in the chain of command, and some soldiers have reported they have been told to carry spades, so that they can place them on victims, to cover their backs, and say they were shooting insurgents who were digging into place road side bombs.

'Ed: do you remember that discussion we had a couple of weeks ago? you changed your mind now?

Submitted by You on 14 June, 2006 - 01:46

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[size=18]'Kill Iraqis marine song' probe[/size]

The US marines have launched a probe into a video posted on the internet that apparently shows a serving marine singing about killing Iraqi civilians.

A spokesman described the video as "clearly inappropriate" and contrary to the standards of the marines.

Posted on the YouTube website, the video shows a man in uniform strumming a guitar while singing about killing Iraqis, as others laugh and cheer.

The marines said they did not know immediately if the film was genuine.

The lyrics caught on video refer to the shooting of Iraqi civilians, especially children.

It also refers to Iraqis as "hajis" - a term usually applied to someone who has completed the pilgrimage to Mecca, but commonly used as a term of insult against Iraqis among US troops.

The marines are currently embroiled in controversy over the deaths of 24 civilians in the Iraqi town of Haditha last year.

[b]'Inappropriate'[/b]

The four-minute song includes graphic descriptions of killings, real or imagined.

Dressed in a green T-shirt and military style trousers and boots, a man sings: "I grabbed her little sister and put her in front of me.

"As the bullets began to fly, the blood sprayed from between her eyes, and then I laughed maniacally."

Marines spokesman Lt Col Scott Fazekas said: "The video that was posted anonymously is clearly inappropriate and contrary to the high standards expected of all marines."

Asked whether the singer was a real marine, Mr Fazekas said it was impossible to know: "I can't tell. In looking at it, it could be anywhere, it could be anybody.

No decision had been made on whether to launch a formal investigation, the spokesman said.

[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5077858.stm]BBC News[/url]

Not a positive news item... and I hope there are some psychologists available to the soldiers. They seem to need them.

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Submitted by The Great 100 on 14 June, 2006 - 02:47

Admin,

While I agree with the marines spokesman that the video is inappropriate, the story about the song is inaccurately reported and in fact no big deal. It is a video of a live performance by a marine to an audience of marines. The song is pretty offensive although nothing like as offensive as the report implies and there is clearly something wrong with releasing a video like this, notwithstanding a myriad of videos which glorify in the killing of kufr, but:

The song is about a marine who accepts a girl's invitation to meet her family and is ambushed by her father and brother firing automatic weapons. The marine dives to the ground and the father and brother kill the girl. The marine grabs the other daughter and they kill her. The marine "laughs maniacally" and fires on the father and brother.

To reiterate, the report says it is a song about killing civilians and implies it glories in the killing of a young girl. That is an absolute libel. To me the two objectionable parts of the video are a) making light of enemy fatalities; b) the stereotyping of the enemy. Neither of these surprises or offends me and I do not think action is required against the performer, although the marines might want to discipline whoever who put it online, if they find him.

The quotes used are well out of context and have been picked up by the media not because they have heard the song but because they got an e-mail from CAIR which was highly misleading about the content of the song. I bet the military wish they could get that kind of publicity every time a jihadi made an inappropriate video.
[size=9][url=http://www.pipelinenews.org/index.cfm?page=cair61306.htm]Source: PipeLine[/url][/size]

[url=http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=21040_Mainstream_Media_Dis... has a copy of the video, which I made sure to watch just before posting this comment.

So to be clear, the real story is that CAIR totally lied in order to disgrace the US marines, with some success.

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Submitted by Dave on 14 June, 2006 - 17:29

That's completely disgraceful to the uniform, detrimental to the mission and morally reprehensible. Especially in light of Haditha and other events the military really needs to crack down on this kind of behavior - it's (among other things) a demonstration of a dangerous breakdown in order; and when people are running around shooting civilians in retributive killings it's almost as bad as pulling the trigger.

Submitted by The Great 100 on 14 June, 2006 - 23:34

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Belile, a 23-year-old who lives in Jacksonville and serves with Marine Light/Attack Helicopter Squadron 167, said the song was meant only as a joke, based on lines from “Team America: World Police” and that he apologizes to people who may have been offended by the lyrics.

“It’s a song that I made up and it was nothing more than something supposed to be funny, based off a catchy line of a movie,” Belile said. “I apologize for any feelings that may have been hurt in the Muslim community. This song was written in good humor and not aimed at any party, foreign or domestic.” [size=9][url=http://www.jacksonvilledailynews.com/SiteProcessor.cfm?Template=/GlobalT... Jacksonville Daily News[/url][/size]

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BBC News[/url]"][b]Al-Qaeda 'coming to end in Iraq' [/b]

The killing of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi marks the "beginning of the end" of al-Qaeda in Iraq, the country's national security adviser has said.
Mowaffaq al-Rubaie said the seizure of documents after the raid that killed Zarqawi provided key information about the militant group and its leaders.

"Now we have the upper hand," he told a news conference in Baghdad.

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