The Brokeback Mountain Culture - From Sin, to Culture

LOL, thought it would b a funny name to discuss the topic...

Today, i met ma cuzn, n his mates. His friends, one was a very liberal Muslim, one a non-muslim. We sat at ma cuznbs house n ma czn goes to get sumin from the shop.

So its me n ma cuzns mate. N sumhow, the conversation turns into "wat u think of gay people".

The non-muslim has a gay cousin, n thinks its the 21st century n it should b allowed, u shudnt look down upon it. he asks my view, n i smile n tell him im a muslim, n my religion dictates my life, n I explain in detail, how n why gayness is not allowed. I could hav jus told him my feelings, n how sick it makes me, n how i make fun of gay's etc, altho i kno i shudnt, but i felt like giving a proper answer..

N he's argueing it, sayin aint that a bit outta date, so im tellin him that even non-muslims in the 60's n 70's knew it was a mental disease.

So, he asks the liberal muslim, wat he thinks, N this guy tells him, he thinks Is ok for a non-muslim, but not a muslim to b gay, (the gay-m,uslim documenatry came up a lot earlier) The liberal guy says, that a muslim has been thought that gay is wrong, but its ok for a non-muslim cuz they dnt believe in our religion.

By this tym, my cuzn comes back, hears the convo, n asks whether v wer gna go campin like brokeback mountain or summin. N the convo ended there.

But it got me thinking, Islam tells us right from wrong, n its a guide for all humanity, so how can a sin b ok for a non-muslim?

But, gayness, it was seen as wrong, n a sin, but its accepted now, As i kept thinkin, i thought, Alcohol, Fornication etc were once prolly seen as wrong, n r now accepted.

Also, Adultary, when Bill Clinton, ex US president was accused of it, sum chat-show people, even chris rock the comedian said , well everyone else in America does it, so what if the president did it.

But then, When one gets Married, they promise, that there spouse is all they want, they promise never to do anything naughty with anyone else. But Adultery (relations with another person, while bein married) is slowly becoming a culture, n accepted.

I know of a many muslim men, who are married, yet r havin haraam relations with sum other women. N when asked if they feel bad, most answer that its ok, aslong as wifey dnt find out.

So, Sins r slowly becoming Cultures, It is the end of times, yes. But, duz that mean we can let these things continue, or are we to try activily to try n make a difference? If yes, how? If no, why not?

you have to realise that others do not accept the rules we try to live by.

So for you things may be wrong, but to others they are not.

Just avoid being compromised by the laxness in others.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Salaam

I think part of the problem arises from it culturally being wrong for one man to love another or a woman to love another.

The culture is quick to associate love with lust as though the latte is of a greater importance than the former. Perhaps this is due to purely behavourist theories of existance becoming dominant and thus people reducing everything to bodily functions.

Shaykh Hamza Yusuf says something to the effect of "They reduce everything to bodily functions so its just biology, and then they reduce that to molecular reactions so that its just chemistry and then they reduce that to the atomic level so its just physics. And they can't go beyond physics because thats all ther is."

So they refuse to accept the spiritual as a reality but rather as an illusion 'the great myth' something our own bodily physics perpetuate to stimulate pleasure in our greater physical bodies.

Bottom line, their philosophy and belief is that love is a lie, it has no reality outside of the illusiory mind, and that lust is very real as a result of our evolution it can be measured and chemically/biologically altered. Therefore the reductionist creed can reduce love to lust and so if its natural to like stuff; obviously you're lusting/greedy/envious/hungry over it.

While we as Muslims believe lust is hard wired into us, we believe the difference between our live bodies and dead bodies is animation/soulk/life from Allah SWT again Shaykh Hamza Yusuf says something like "They don't even know how we are alive. They know its electrical activity in the heart that keeps it beating, but what is making this electrical activity happen? WHere is it coming from, what stimulates the cells that produce this electrical activity? They don't know."

We believe there are baseless desires of the body, we also believe their are spiritual highs of the soul.
The Messenger of Allah SAW teaches us that the soul is better; the spiritual is better than the gross physical body steeped in ignorance and forgetfulness, zhikr is superior.

Mawlana Rum RA says that the wine of this world is pitiful, it makes one forgetful, the high is brief and leaves you with a head ache, but how virtuous is the wine of love it is an eternal beauty.

Gentleness and kindness were never a part of anything except that it made it beautiful, and harshness was never a part of anything except that it made it ugly.

Through cheating, stealing, and lying, one may get required results but finally one becomes

"Dawud" wrote:

Mawlana Rum RA says that the wine of this world is pitiful, it makes one forgetful, the high is brief and leaves you with a head ache, but how virtuous is the wine of love it is an eternal beauty.

omro the alcoholic wud like that

Nothing better my little lady. Its what life is all about.