Sufism

depends what u mean by sufism/tasawwuf/ihsaan.

If any1 thinks sitting by graves and torturing the saints with polytheistic songs, if any1 thinks sufism is abt attaining ecstasy, if any1 thinks sufism is abt buying magic potions and amulets and performing stunning feats like solving exam grades and making ppl love each other. Then this is a nutty idea.

By us, tasawwuf sufism ihsaan is a part of shariah. By us the true sufism the true tasawwuf is to purify the heart. It is to make constant lifelong effort to cleanse the heart from all its diseases.

We can say that Islam is broadly split in two segments. External and Internal. The external aspects are dealt with by fiqh. How to pray, to purify ourselves, how to do hajj, how to dress, how to walk, how to talk etc and these things are established in Quran and Sunnah.

Similarly the Quran is replete with admonition and encouragement in regards to the heart. We are warned against arrogance, against jealousy, against show off etc. These deal with the heart and by us this is just as important as the external aspects. Call it tassawuf, or ihsaan, or sufism, I dont care what label is attached to it. The fact is cleansing the heart by thinking about ALLAH, by reflecting on our sinful selves is part of deen.

Raf bro if u are against the sufis who sit as graveworshippers, those who sing dodgy songs etc then I am with u. They are not sufis nor are they doing good. If u are against purifying the heart, which I dont think u r, then I wud say u r msiguided.

Somone mentioned that sufism is abt ecstasy, thats the rong type. By us Sufism is about attaining the ridha of ALLAH, about attaining ALLAH's pleasure by keeping OUR HEARTS away from sin.

The people of nuttiness are intersted in attaining miracles and states of ecstasy, they can be achieved by black magic and also by drugs. So if any1 wants miracles go for magic and drugs. If any1 wants to purify his heart and also attain ALLAH's pleasure then come into the field of tasawwuf, ihsaan, sufism etc.

[quote="Raf786"][quote="irfghan"] I am more 'into' Sufism than I was. [/quote]

bro get out of sufism they are corrupt in thier teachings stick to the origional teachigs of the prophet (pbuh) and the quran .

Sufism (Tasawwuf) was not known in the time of the Prophet (may Allah raise his rank and grant him peace) or his Companions, nor was it well known in the first three generations after them. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) praised when he said, “The best of mankind is my generation, then those who come after them, then those who come after them…” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2652; Muslim, 2533; from the hadeeth of Ibn Mas’ood) Sufism (Tasawwuf) first appeared in Basrah in Iraq, where some people went to extremes in worship and in avoiding the worldly life, something which is admonished in the Quran: "The Monasticism which they invented for themselves; We did not prescribe it for them." (Quran 57:27)[/quote]

Come on mate... what did I tell you about allaahuakbar.net? And here you are quoting from it. :roll:

Seriously, check out the sites that I recommended.

Salam

Saints love songs. Thats why they are Saints.

They also love people visting their graves.

Omrow

Salaam

Sufism is the way of purifying the heart from bad manners and characteristics. The one who has purified his heart from bad manners and negative characteristics is called a Sufi.

In my opinion Sufism IS Islam.

Allah (swt) looks at our hearts, so it makes sense that we purify them. One can not get close to Allah (swt) if their heart is impure...

Why do people have an issue with cleaning the heart of negative characteristics such as hate, anger, pride, envy etc, and by keeping our heart purified with the love and remembrance of our Lord and our Beloved Prophet (saw)…

And No, the name “Sufism/tassuaf” wasn’t around in the time of the Holy Prophet ﷺ because the Holy Prophet ﷺ and His blessed Companions, already had pure hearts, the above mentioned negative characteristic were not prominent in their personalities.

They did a lot of Tobah, Dhikr, had no desire for materialistic things and were lost in the love of Allah (swt), these people were more then ready to give up their lives for Him (swt)....they were familiar with the concept but not the name.

In other words our Holy Prophet ﷺ and His blessed Companion were already Sufi’s, so they never need to ‘practise’ it. The word ‘sufi’ wasn’t used in their days, coz this was something that came naturally to them….

Today the term “Sufism” has been reduced to a name only.

Wasalaam

dont like using the word "sufism" but its a great way of purifying the heart..i totally agree with muslimsister..

yes muslim sister has spoken truth.

Tasawwuf/sufism might not have been the label attached but our ulama say that in the hadeeth of Sayyidina Jibreel alayhis salaam, the famous hadeeth regarding imaan islaam and ihsaan that ihsaan refers to tasawwuf.

secondly there is also the tazkiya or purification and it is mentioned in the Quran in the dua that Sayyidina Ibraheem alayhis salaam made in regards to Holy Prophet salallahu alayhi wa sallam. In that dua Sayyidina Ibraheem prayed for three things, three qualities that should be present in Holy Prophet salallahu alayhi wa sallam and the third one was that He salallahu alayhi wa sallam should do tazkiya of the people, should purify the people. And this is the true tasawwuf.

Salaam,

He who practises sufism without learning sacred law corrupts his faith, while he who learns sacred law without practising sufism corrupts himself. Only he who combines the two proves true..

btw Muslim sis, what was it that you mentioned in the other thread about Rabia the sage?

Wsalaam

[quote="Aashiqeh Rasul"]

btw Muslim sis, what was it that you mentioned in the other thread about Rabia the sage?

[/quote]

[quote="MuslimSister"]Salaam

The great Rabia Basri was known for her intense love for Allah (swt).

In an extreme state of spiritual ecstasy she once said:

“If I worship You from fear of hell, burn me in hell; and if I worship You from hope of paradise, exclude me from Paradise. But if I worship You for Your sake, do not withhold from me Your eternal Beauty”.

Wasalaam[/quote]

[quote="irfghan"][quote="Raf786"][quote="irfghan"] I am more 'into' Sufism than I was. [/quote]

bro get out of sufism they are corrupt in thier teachings stick to the origional teachigs of the prophet (pbuh) and the quran .

Sufism (Tasawwuf) was not known in the time of the Prophet (may Allah raise his rank and grant him peace) or his Companions, nor was it well known in the first three generations after them. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) praised when he said, “The best of mankind is my generation, then those who come after them, then those who come after them…” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2652; Muslim, 2533; from the hadeeth of Ibn Mas’ood) Sufism (Tasawwuf) first appeared in Basrah in Iraq, where some people went to extremes in worship and in avoiding the worldly life, something which is admonished in the Quran: "The Monasticism which they invented for themselves; We did not prescribe it for them." (Quran 57:27)[/quote]

Come on mate... what did I tell you about allaahuakbar.net? And here you are quoting from it. :roll:

Seriously, check out the sites that I recommended.[/quote]
i have checked them out all excellent sites as well as allahuakbar.net, but out of all of them i have learned more on allahuakber.net it gives you in depth history of sects,freemasons ect as well as quoting quran and hadith. Bro have a open mind dont dismiss the site jus because its made by salafis, they are good muslims jus a bit extreme but thats because they are so passionate bout islam

[quote="Raf786"]
i have checked them out all excellent sites as well as allahuakbar.net, but out of all of them i have learned more on allahuakber.net it gives you in depth history of sects,freemasons ect as well as quoting quran and hadith. Bro have a open mind dont dismiss the site jus because its made by salafis, they are good muslims jus a bit extreme but thats because they are so passionate bout islam[/quote]

😂

They oversimplify and where they can't make generalisations they nit-pick.

As for quoting hadith and Quran, they just sprinke a few quotes here and there without analysing them or focusing on what they actually mean.

Just because it's easy to follow doesn't make it a good source of Islamic knowledge.

BTW you're big on unity. Do you detect any hint of unity/brotherhood or common Muslim identity on that site?

Just had a quick look at that site. (allaahu akbar.net)

Don't like thwe look of it, but the main thing is I disagree with their verdicts on hadith.

A Da'eef hadith is still a hadith, but with a weak chain of narration, so is not used for a point of law, but can still be used for benefit. That site dumps it with rejected and false Ahadith.

Salaam

It’s often wrongly assumed that a “Sufi” is the one, who spends all of his time daydreaming…he has physically renounced himself from the world…he does his own thing and lives in his own world…

They are often perceived as being “lazy” people who hardly contribute to society at all.

The above assumptions are totally incorrect. A true Sufi is always there for others, he is an active participant of society; his good manners and his devotions/sincerity to Allah (swt) are to die for…

It is said that “the true Sufi goes in and out amongst people, he eats and sleeps with them and buys and sells in the market place-but NEVER forgets his Beloved (Allah) for a single moment”.

….Sincerity, wholehearted devotions, having a pure clean heart, having a high level of Sabr/tolerance, learning to forgive/forget those who have wronged you etc etc are extremely praiseworthy qualities in Islam…they’re easy to talk about but difficult to implement….A “Sufi” is the one who has achieved all of the above.

Wasalaam

sufism hey... hmmm i like i like...
im new so like this will b ma first few posts but from my understanding..
tasawuf is just to correct ones niyah.. simple... Its beginning is [b]"inna mal a'malu biniyat" [/b]- verily all actions are judged by the intentions... and its end is [b]"in ta' budallaha ka unnaka tara" [/b]- That you worship Allah as if you see Him.

[quote="figi"]
and its end is [b]"in ta' budallaha ka unnaka tara" [/b]- That you worship Allah as if you see Him.[/quote]

...for even if you dont see Him, He sees you

[quote="irfghan"][quote="Raf786"]
i have checked them out all excellent sites as well as allahuakbar.net, but out of all of them i have learned more on allahuakber.net it gives you in depth history of sects,freemasons ect as well as quoting quran and hadith. Bro have a open mind dont dismiss the site jus because its made by salafis, they are good muslims jus a bit extreme but thats because they are so passionate bout islam[/quote]

lol

They oversimplify and where they can't make generalisations they nit-pick.

As for quoting hadith and Quran, they just sprinke a few quotes here and there without analysing them or focusing on what they actually mean.

Just because it's easy to follow doesn't make it a good source of Islamic knowledge.

BTW you're big on unity. Do you detect any hint of unity/brotherhood or common Muslim identity on that site?[/quote]

only an islamic scholor or imam can have the qaulifications to judge their analysis of quran and hadith, irfy your jus prejudice about those who made the site

please people take a look then view your opinions

www.allaahuakbar.net

not that site again lol 😂

Sufism (Tasawwuf) was not known in the time of the Prophet (may Allah raise his rank and grant him peace) or his Companions, nor was it well known in the first three generations after them. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) praised when he said, “The best of mankind is my generation, then those who come after them, then those who come after them…” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2652; Muslim, 2533; from the hadeeth of Ibn Mas’ood) Sufism (Tasawwuf) first appeared in Basrah in Iraq, where some people went to extremes in worship and in avoiding the worldly life, something which is admonished in the Quran "The Monasticism which they invented for themselves; We did not prescribe it for them." (Quran 5727)

You're drawing me in to an argument. If this gets on your nerves you know who to blame. 😛

I'm no scholar but I think I can safely make the following points.

[quote="Raf786"]Sufism (Tasawwuf) was not known in the time of the Prophet (may Allah raise his rank and grant him peace) or his Companions, nor was it well known in the first three generations after them.
[/quote]

Ofcourse there was no 'Sufism' in the time of the Prophet (SAW). As MS said, the Holy Prophet ﷺ and His blessed Companions, already had pure hearts, negative characteristic such as bad manners were not prominent in their personalities. She also said, 'our Holy Prophet ﷺ and His blessed Companion were already Sufi’s, so they never need to ‘practise’ it. The word ‘sufi’ wasn’t used in their days, coz this was something that came naturally to them….'

[quote="Raf786"]The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) praised when he said, “The best of mankind is my generation, then those who come after them, then those who come after them…” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2652; Muslim, 2533; from the hadeeth of Ibn Mas’ood) [/quote]

Ofcourse. No one would deny this hadith.

They were the best of makind. Again, as MS said, 'They did a lot of Tobah, Dhikr, had no desire for materialistic things and were lost in the love of Allah (swt), these people were more then ready to give up their lives for Him (swt)....they were familiar with the concept [of Sufism] but not the name.'

[quote="Raf786"]Sufism (Tasawwuf) first appeared in Basrah in Iraq, where some people went to extremes in worship and in avoiding the worldly life, something which is admonished in the Quran: "The Monasticism which they invented for themselves; We did not prescribe it for them." (Quran 57:27)[/quote]

This extract states that Sufism first appeared in Basra in Iraq. This is after it said that Sufism was not known in the first three generations after the Companions of the Prophet (SAW). I assume then that it is saying that Sufism started in at least the fourth generation after the generation of the Prophet ﷺ and the Companions.

How can the Quran have commented on something that happened three generations after it was revealed?

It would be good to get a scholarly commentary on this verse of the Quran - one that is not of dubious authorship. Not least to find out what is meant by 'Monasticism' in this context.

Is this your research? Your aquiring of Islamic knowldge? Dodgy websites?

Confucious, he say, 'To know everything is to know that you know nothing.'

Salam

Sufism did not appear in Basra.

Iraqis are too stupid for it.

Sufism appeared in Mecca.

Prophet Muhammad was the first Sufi.

And Quran is a manual for the true mystics.

Omrow

[quote="Raf786"]Sufism (Tasawwuf) was not known in the time of the Prophet (may Allah raise his rank and grant him peace) or his Companions, nor was it well known in the first three generations after them. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) praised when he said, “The best of mankind is my generation, then those who come after them, then those who come after them…” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2652; Muslim, 2533; from the hadeeth of Ibn Mas’ood) Sufism (Tasawwuf) first appeared in Basrah in Iraq, where some people went to extremes in worship and in avoiding the worldly life, something which is admonished in the Quran: "The Monasticism which they invented for themselves; We did not prescribe it for them." (Quran 57:27)[/quote]

Raf have u actually read the full Quranic verse?

I cant seem to copy the contents from the site but you can see the full verse Quranic verse here: http://www.islamicity.com/QuranSearch/

EDIT: oops just checked put the word Monaticism in to the wrod search, and the full Quranic verse will come up.

The reason i am pointed that out is cuz you shouldnt just take a verse out and say look this is Bidah, look at the verse properly some of those who practiced Monasticism were rewarded becuz they fulfilled all the Shariah conditions and did not go against the rulings of Islam but most were transgressors as they adopted the act by going against islamic teachings, please read the full verse before commenting.

full verse 52:27:

[quote]57:27 Then, in their wake, We followed them up with (others of) Our apostles: We sent after them Jesus the son of Mary, and bestowed on him the Gospel; and We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him Compassion and Mercy. But the Monasticism which they invented for themselves, We did not prescribe for them: (We commanded) only the seeking for the Good Pleasure of Allah. but that they did not foster as they should have done. Yet We bestowed, on those among them who believed, their (due) reward, but many of them are rebellious transgressors.[/quote]

True there was no 'sufism' originally. But neither was their fiqh, SahihBukhari, SahihMuslim etc. either.'

In other words practices were not given a name. Later scholars divided up the practices into different groups. The Sahaba did dhikr etc. but it was not called sufism. They were selfless, but it was not called sufism.

Now that is called sufism.

PS a brother at work was telling me how sufism is shirk... apparently the top sufi becomes god... I went 'huh?!?'

to be called a "sufi" is a compliment

its very very rare for a person to acquire that status

and its true that the Prophet (pbuh) was a sufi

good point omro

Salam

[quote="MuslimSisLilSis"]to be called a "sufi" is a compliment[/quote]

But you are not a Sufi. You are a goofy.

Not to worry. Its a half way stage.

Seemo is a true sufi.

Omrow

gooofy 😂

sum1 give this guy an award....

[quote="Omrow"]Salam

Seemo is a true sufi.

Omrow[/quote]

so utterly kind of you - i wish.

The soul constantly cries out, tears constantly flow and the heart constantly breaks into pieces to be united with the Almighty and His Messenger, but the mind says who are you anyway your body is weak and you are full of fear.

i think this a dilemma we all face so we are all potential sufis

a time comes when we fear Hell then we vie for heaven then comes another time out of the blue when neither matter - they really dont only being in the presence of our Lord will satisfy.

if that is not achievable - then nothing matters

we live out our lives our heads hanging in shame only ourselves to blame getting involved with petty evils and wasting our potentials

[quote="seema*"] then comes another time out of the blue when neither matter - they really dont only being in the presence of our Lord will satisfy.

if that is not achievable - then nothing matters

we live out our lives our heads hanging in shame only ourselves to blame getting involved with petty evils and wasting our potentials[/quote]

very astute, my thoiughts exactly particularly:

[quote="seema*"] only being in the presence of our Lord will satisfy.

if that is not achievable - then nothing matters
[/quote]

[quote="Omrow"]Salam

[quote="MuslimSisLilSis"]to be called a "sufi" is a compliment[/quote]

But you are not a Sufi. You are a goofy.

Not to worry. Its a half way stage.

Seemo is a true sufi.

Omrow[/quote]

I aint googy

yep seems is a true sufi

but ur just plain Loopy :roll:

Salam

[quote="seema*"]soul constantly cries out, tears constantly flow and the heart constantly breaks into pieces to be united with the Almighty and His Messenger, but the mind says who are you anyway your body is weak and you are full of fear...

a time comes when we fear Hell then we vie for heaven then comes another time out of the blue when neither matter - they really dont only being in the presence of our Lord will satisfy.

if that is not achievable - then nothing matters

we live out our lives our heads hanging in shame only ourselves to blame getting involved with petty evils and wasting our potentials[/quote]

Only a pure heart can utter such words.

Seemo. If Paradise was mine. I would have given it to you.

And since your Creator is more Mericful than me, I am certain that He has written your name on it.

Look forward to Eternity of Joys young lady.

Omrow

your too too kind Omrow if only i could live up to expectations now

Salaam

The importance of Sufism – purification of the heart was once described by a scholar.

He gave the analogy of a man who didn’t have a bath for a whole year… So to make himself look clean and presentable, the dirty man decides to put on perfume and wear expensive clothes….obviously his actions would be futile….they guy would still reek.

Similarly, if we have dirty hearts and we focus on external actions (e.g Salaah, fasting etc) our actions would be futile.

Envy is a hidden, internal sin…and we are told that envy burns away good deeds the way fire consumes wood.

Pride is also a hidden, internal sin…and we are told that whoever possesses an atoms weight of pride in their heart will not enter heaven.

And then, there’s hatred (bughd) and bearing grudges in your heart…Allah (swt) does not forgive the one who does not forgive others…and we are also told that a “believer is not hateful”.

And then there’s the importance of sincerity of ones intention, which once again is an hidden internal act…however, if our actions are not sincerely for the sake of Allah (swt) and are for riya (show) or pleasing others then our actions are futile….

In other words if we do not focus on the importance of purifying our hearts. All our external good deeds will be in vain….

We have countless examples of people in history who only focused on the exterior (Salaah, charity etc ) and neglected their interior and as a result their actions were considered pointless in the eyes of Allah (swt).

Purifying the heart, is equally if not more important then external ritualistic worship. It is something that we should not neglect.

Wasalaam