Here is another crime that deserved a harsher punishment.

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[b]Bosnian Serb jailed for 15 years[/b]

A Bosnian Serb former policeman has been sentenced to 15 years in jail by the UN war crimes tribunal for the rape and torture of Bosnian Muslim women.

Dragan Zelenovic, 46, pleaded guilty to the crimes, which took place during the 1992-1995 war in the former Yugoslavia.

In exchange for the plea, prosecutors at The Hague war crimes tribunal agreed to drop another seven charges.

Zelenovic showed no emotion, sitting with his head bowed and eyes closed as the presiding judge read out a summary of his crimes before passing sentence.

One of the women was just 15 when she was illegally imprisoned and gang-raped. Another had a gun held to her head while she was raped, the court heard.

[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6526081.stm[/url]

Guy like that should have his a$$ removed.

15 is a child, not a woman. There are certain times where I read articles like this, or Jessica Lundsford or about that girl in Iraq where I - seriously - contemplate the logistics of taking a week or two off and getting to these people.

It's going to happen some day - I'll just crack, and I'll get away with it too. I'll find out a sex offender is living in my neighborhood or something that really hits home and is too close to ignore.

I don't really care what society thinks, some people do not deserve second chances.

"Don Karnage" wrote:

15 is a child, not a woman. There are certain times where I read articles like this, or Jessica Lundsford or about that girl in Iraq where I - seriously - contemplate the logistics of taking a week or two off and getting to these people.

It's going to happen some day - I'll just crack, and I'll get away with it too. I'll find out a sex offender is living in my neighborhood or something that really hits home and is too close to ignore.

I don't really care what society thinks, some people do not deserve second chances.

Have you watched "Dexter"?

"Admin" wrote:

Have you watched "Dexter"?

Nope... what is that?

Hey is there any way of changing my email address for the forum? My old one is dead - officially - Spam won and I lost. Effectively I'm a spam refugee

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dexter_(TV_series)

You will need to put the full thing into your browser (clicking on it does not seem to work).

It is about a vigilante serial killer who works in a forensics department for the police. Wonderfully creepy.

You should be able to change your email address in your profile. If you can't PM it to me and I will change it.

lol I saw that on CNN. I love the picture:

[img]http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/WORLD/meast/04/04/iran.sailors/newt1.iran.we...

As much as I don't like Iran I've gotta admit they really make the world a more colorful place to be in and at least nobody got hurt.

alhumdulillah, glad no-one got hurt.

why are all the guys dressed up in suits and the girl is in some frumpy clothes?

lol it looks like they just got back from Disney World or something

US NAVY admits it is forcing food on detainess through their noseS.

CHRISTIAN VALUES ON DISPLAY

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6541091.stm

BBC - Guantanamo force-feeds detainees

Thirteen detainees on hunger strike at the US military prison in Guantanamo Bay are being force-fed through tubes in their noses, the US Navy has said.

How is that Christian values?

Would you rather people starve? (which is an option)

Christianity is not an issue here

I've been reading a book about the methods of torture used by Catholics on fellow Christians during the French and Spanish Inquisitions (which was an official Crusade sanctioned by the Pope), solely because they had different religious understandings. It is absolutely terrifying:

[if you a squeamish I suggest skipping this...]

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One method was to force a prisoner to swallow a quantity of water either by means of a funnel (sounds rather familiar...?) or by soaking a piece of cloth and jamming into the throat, which would result in the blood vessels bursting.

Another one was to place the prisoner before a hot fire with fat or grease applied to his feet so that they were literally fried.

When the 'crusaders' captured the a Castle in Southern France called Bram, they selected a hundred of the defenders at random, gouged out their eyes and sliced off their lips ears and noses. One prisoner, who was only blinded in one eye, was ordered to lead his maimed companions the the Castle of Cabaret as a warning to the garrison there of the fate that awaited those who opposed the crusading army.

source: Tim Wallace-Murphy

So i think guantanemo and abu ghraib have rather a long way to go...

Who can deny that Christian soldiers tortured Muslims prisoners in Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq and at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.

The photographes of these tortured detainees were also leaked to world media by some good Christian soldiers. They were honest men who condemned this evil practice. Allah help them.
So far no important Christian preacher has spoken out against this evil deeds by US soldiers.

America now has no right to talk about human rights. It abuses human rights.
World has now seen what US really stands for in practice.
Guantanamo Bay has puts American values on trial alongside the terrorists.

"malik" wrote:

Who can deny that Christian soldiers tortured Muslims prisoners in Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq and at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.

I can. I have not come across any reports mentioning the faith of the soldiers.

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The photographes of these tortured detainees were also leaked to world media by some good Christian soldiers. They were honest men who condemned this evil practice. Allah help them.

Once again we do not know their faith.

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So far no important Christian preacher has spoken out against this evil deeds by US soldiers.

This is just like saying "the civilised world is with us". In both places, the emphasis is on the definition of "important" and "civilised".

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America now has no right to talk about human rights. It abuses human rights.

Can't reall argue against that. However, it still does have a "reasonable" record when compared with others.

(You want to to us about reason? Do we look reasonable to you?)

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World has now seen what US really stands for in practice.
Guantanamo Bay has puts American values on trial alongside the terrorists.

What the world cans ee is that fear is a good motivator. It can make people forget about their principles.

"[url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070410/ap_on_fe_st/sheriff_s_ticket wrote:

Yahoo! News[/url]"]GREEN BAY, Wis. - Brown County Sheriff Dennis Kocken didn't have to write himself a ticket. But he says it was the right thing to do.

"As sheriff, I'm held to the highest standard in law enforcement. How can I hold officers accountable if I don't hold myself accountable?" he said. "I'm satisfied I'm doing the right thing."

Kocken issued himself a ticket March 27 for an unsafe lane change, three weeks after he had rear-ended a suspected speeder after that driver slowed to turn. Neither the deputy who completed the accident report nor the Brown County district attorney's office felt that Kocken deserved a citation.

"But it kept bothering me," said Kocken. "Finally I decided to write myself a ticket. I felt it was the right thing to do."

The ticket carries a $160.80 fine that Kocken said he fully intends to pay.

The guy should appeal.

"[url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070410/od_nm/saudi_dc wrote:

Yahoo! News[/url]"][b]Man's wives have no sense of humor[/b] RIYADH (Reuters) - A Saudi man lost a bit of his nose in a joint assault by his two wives after he jokingly threatened to marry a third woman.

Judaie Ibn Salem had thought his threat would help resolve an argument over dividing up his house.

"I swore that I would do it because ... they were impolite and that's when I came under an even bigger attack," Ibn Salem told Shams newspaper after having seven stitches inserted.

"I never realized they would get so worked up. But the only way to restore my dignity is really to take a third wife.

"I don't know what I'm going to lose next if I do that."

"[url=http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070411134854.is6fcdju&show_a... wrote:

Breitbart[/url]"][b]Driverless car goes on show in London[/b] A car driven by a hi-tech ghost of laser sensors and computers went on exhibit in London Wednesday, before it competes against other robot cars in the United States in November.

The Volkswagen Passat 2.0 TDI drives using two eye-like laser sensors in the front and one in the back that scan road conditions, buildings, other vehicles and pedestrians over a range of up to 200 metres (650 feet).

...

Christened LUX, the refitted Volkswagen that looks exactly like a standard road model is due to go into small-scale production next year and the firm hopes that its technology can eventually be used in production cars.

At a conference in the US city of San Francisco in February, scientists predicted robot-driven cars could be shuttling humans around by the year 2030.

Isn't it about time we start correcting maliks behavior or failing that, his membership status?

For the record, his comments promote horrible prejudices and seem to pit his vision of Islam against pretty much every aspect of the west. He has it in for Jews and Christians and apparently backs the Iranian regime to the hilt, going so far as to invite confrontation with the US and UK. However, I don't know if any of this can be corrected, and I tend to ignore him. I respect Dave for trying.

If I say anything that is not true, then please point
it out to me.
Why do you try to gag a person?

It's just that you make massive generalisations and massive assumptions.

Mr Honey tried to accuse me of trying to provoke war between US and Iran.

As if I can do that!

What about the US.
When Bush the Satan sends two massive aircraft carriers and battle ships towards Iran, is that not the real provocation to war in the middle east? People so easily forget who the real warmongers are.

The word I used was "invite", not "provoke".

"malik" wrote:

I think war on Iran is coming. America has been raising tentions for past 3 years on the nuclear issue.
When there is war, it is without doubt that Iran will come out victorious.
Allah has promised believers that He would not let them be defeated. This means Amercia is going to lose the war against Iran. Allah's words cannot be false. Allah does what He says.

If America's destiny is a humiliating defeat, then it will start a fight with Iran.

And no doubt you misspelt my nic by total accident, and you weren't being low and disgusting.

"malik" wrote:

If I say anything that is not true, then please point
it out to me.
Why do you try to gag a person?

Stop ranting against Americans, Jews and Christians, leave out the fowl language and stop bringing up inappropriate subject material. That's why we are asking you to modify your behavior.

Is ranting against illegal American policy, bad Christian attitudes towards Muslims, and hidden Jewish conspiracies against west, is all that something that is unlawful in United Satans of America?

I thought that everyone has the right to believe and freely talk about whatever they like. Are yo usyong Muslims don't have that right and it only belongs to Americans?

just that ranting does not look good.

It is annoying.

it does not solve anything apart from try top blame others for everything.

oh, and twisting names got uncool when I was just a likkle kid.

tiwisting names?

what you on about?

United Satans of America.

That is not called for and is childish.

If you do not want to be attacked by their propaganda, best to practice what we preach and cut such behaviour out of ourselves.

I myself have not always been kind in my behaviour to others, but I believe I have learnt to be more tolerant.

"[url=http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/19/world/middleeast/19iran.html?ex=133463... wrote:

NYT[/url]"]
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[list]TEHRAN, April 18 — The Iranian Supreme Court has overturned the murder convictions of six members of a prestigious state militia who killed five people they considered “morally corrupt.”

The reversal, in an infamous five-year-old case from Kerman, in central Iran, has produced anger and controversy, with lawyers calling it corrupt and newspapers giving it prominence.

...

According to the Supreme Court’s earlier decision, the killers, who are members of the Basiji Force, volunteer vigilantes favored by the country’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, considered their victims morally corrupt and, according to Islamic teachings and Iran’s Islamic penal code, their blood could therefore be shed.

The last victims, for example, were a young couple engaged to be married who the killers claimed were walking together in public.

Members of the Basiji Force are known for attacking reformist politicians and pro-democracy meetings. President Ahmadinejad was a member of the force, but the Supreme Court judges who issued the ruling are not considered to be specifically affiliated with it.

Iran’s Islamic penal code, which is a parallel system to its civic code, says murder charges can be dropped if the accused can prove the killing was carried out because the victim was morally corrupt.

This is true even if the killer identified the victim mistakenly as corrupt. In that case, the law requires “blood money” to be paid to the family. Every year in Iran, a senior cleric determines the amount of blood money required in such cases. This year it is $40,000 if the victim is a Muslim man, and half that for a Muslim woman or a non-Muslim.[/list:u][/size]