Is A Woman’s Place In The Home?
Salaam
For the last couple of months I’ve been actively seeking work…. after being rejected left right and centre…I was advised to contact this agency that gets you into schools, now after they check my references out I should start working in a matter of weeks… Finally-Alhumdullilah!!
Why do I want to work?
Since I was a little girl I’ve wanted to teach, I used to play “school/school” with my brother and sisters and I was always the teacher….whenever I have spare time I work voluntary in different types of schools.
Also, I dislike being idle, I’m a girl with OTT mental energy, I can not do nothing. A life of leisure does not suit me. I prefer being active/busy and on the go…..that’s when I’m the most happiest.
Also, I don’t like asking my dad for money. If I start working I’ll be able to pay for my own driving lessons/car maintenance when I get a car and my sisters lessons as well…I’ll also be able to spend money on my family.
ALSO, my grandmother’s been on my case to get a job. She claims I need to be more “independent”.
But what bugs me SO much is people who have issues with girls who work. Thankfully my family is not like that, but that doesn’t stop every other Tom, Dick and Uncle Harry from advising my parents to “keep her in the home” so that she doesn’t become “too modern” and that “no one likes modern girls”
What on Earth does it mean to be “too modern”?
Apparently working women are responsible for the break up of a home.
I see such a TREMENDOUS need for more Muslim women in the workforce.
I would hate to live in a society where all men advocated that women should stay at home and not work.
When the wives of such men fell pregnant would they really be OK with her giving birth in front of male doctors?
If God forbid something happened to her, would they really be OK with her being touched and prodded by some male Doctor?
If their daughter started attending public school would they really be OK with her being taught the facts of life by some male teacher?
If they underwent some family crises would they really be OK with their wives opening up to a male counsellor?
Many women wish/need to know how to drive, would the men be OK with their wives spending a significant time alone with some strange male in his car?
Cos thats what would happen if ALL men advocated that their women MUST stay at home...
On a side note, I heard of instances in this country where a wife was in difficult labour however, the husband allowed her to die in labour then to be checked out by a male doctor….
I don't understand what’s the issue with working if internal/external pardah is implemented?
And why do some men have serious issues with their women working in a place where men are present especially if they are covered up and do not flirt/talk unnecessary.....
Is it lack of trust? Insecurity?
Yes, I know that the welfare of children should the number one concern of a mother. But what if she doesn’t have kids? Or what if they are in school all day long? What should she do at home all day long…brush her hair/do her nails and wait for her husband to get home?
So share your thoughts, is a woman’s place in the home?
Wasalaam
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Interesting points are being made.
The covering of hair infront of children is a new one to me also but it is advisable for a woman to always have a scarf on her head, angels do not enter homes where women are bare-headed, nor do they come near them.
Regarding womens nature. We are all created with a nature, with a purpose. Hadrat Adam alayhis salaam was created first, He felt something missing, He felt the need for something to help Him. In response to Abba Adam alayhis salaam's needs Amma Hawwa alayhas salaam was created. This shows that the purpose of womans creation was to assist and help the man.
This does not mean women are slaves. What it does mean that womens purpose of creation was to assist and help and aid and serve the men. They were created for the home.
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[quote="Medievalist"] What it does mean that womens purpose of creation was to assist and help and aid and serve the men. They were created for the home.[/quote]
intresting
and here I was thinking that the purpose of life is to obey/worship Allah
but the caveman teaches me sumin new everyday :roll: :roll:
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[quote="MuslimSisLilSis"]LOL @ this thread
has anyone noticed tho that the forum is incredibly extreme these days?
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Yeah you right and it buzzing and at it brillant best again 😃 . A couple of week ago I came on and I saw it and could barely recogonise the place, way to liberal for my liking and too many fun and games going on and was one of the reason I came back. But allhamduillah it doing Ok now again, because there a difference of opinion which is require for there to be a good discussion to take place.
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[quote="yuit"][quote="MuslimSisLilSis"]LOL @ this thread
has anyone noticed tho that the forum is incredibly extreme these days?
:[/quote]
Yeah you right and it buzzing and at it brillant best again 😃 . A couple of week ago I came on and I saw it and could barely recogonise the place, way to liberal for my liking and too many fun and games going on and was one of the reason I came back. But allhamduillah it doing Ok now again, because there a difference of opinion which is require for there to be a good discussion to take place.[/quote]
yeh I agree
extreme, ridgid views always make intresting discussions
I learn a lot about "other people" think-the type that confirm the media's view of Islam
its intresting cos I never meet/hear such people in real life
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1. I made a mistake. Men and women, Jinn and Humans primary purpose is to worship ALLAH. After this worship women were created to be the help-mates of men.
2. I am unsure as to the source of angels not entering on bareheaded ladies, it is something I have read but I will not claim to remember its source. I apologise for confusion caused by that post. At the least we can say that women should cover their heads at all times, not necessarily with no hair showing , but merely with a scarf on the head as pakistani women do. Regarding sleeping and bathing and other things lol I dont think its sinful for her to have her head uncovered in privacy. Just that I heard it is easier for the angels to enter on women whose heads are coverd because of the angels high modesty.
Again I apologise for confusion caused.
The ruling of women keeping something on their heads at all times is from the point of view of taqwa. Technicalli/legally in our hanafi madhab a woman is free to have her head uncovered in privacy from men.
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The only incident to which I can confidentally attribute this to is that of the moment the beloved Prophet ﷺ came down from the mountain, scared after seeing/hearing Jibraeel (as); where he sat on the left knee of Hadrat Khadija (ra), then on her right knee, and the angel stayed in view. He (Jibraeel (as)) only left when Khadija (ra) dropped her head covering.
Apart from that, I cannot for the life of me remember where else I heard/read anything re this matter.
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Muhtarama May ALLAH Almighty fill you with knowledge.
I will ask whether this incident is the basis of the view I earlier described.
I thank Muhtarama from the depths of my heart for drawing attention to the above incident.
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[quote="Medievalist"]1. I made a mistake. Men and women, Jinn and Humans primary purpose is to worship ALLAH. After this worship women were created to be the help-mates of men.
2. I am unsure as to the source of angels not entering on bareheaded ladies, it is something I have read but I will not claim to remember its source. I apologise for confusion caused by that post. At the least we can say that women should cover their heads at all times, not necessarily with no hair showing , but merely with a scarf on the head as pakistani women do. Regarding sleeping and bathing and other things lol I dont think its sinful for her to have her head uncovered in privacy. Just that I heard it is easier for the angels to enter on women whose heads are coverd because of the angels high modesty.
Again I apologise for confusion caused.
The ruling of women keeping something on their heads at all times is from the point of view of taqwa. Technicalli/legally in our hanafi madhab a woman is free to have her head uncovered in privacy from men.[/quote]
why should women always have their hair covered or wear a headscarf even at home infront of mahrams? :shock:
you are suppose to do pardah infront of gayhr mahram, not mahram. a woman does not need to wear a headscarf at all at home infront of her husband, father especially.
medieval confuses the hell out of me everytime....must be those beats he got when he was young 😃
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[quote="Medievalist"]
The ruling of women keeping something on their heads at all times is from the point of view of taqwa. Technicalli/legally in our hanafi madhab a woman is free to have her head uncovered in privacy from men.[/quote]
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[quote="Medievalist"][quote="Medievalist"]
The ruling of women keeping something on their heads at all times is from the point of view of taqwa. Technicalli/legally in our hanafi madhab a woman is free to have her head uncovered in privacy from men.[/quote][/quote]
then why is your OPINION:
[b]At the least we can say that women [u]should cover their heads at all times[/u], not necessarily with no hair showing , but merely with a scarf on the head as pakistani women do.[/b]
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[quote="Medievalist"]
The ruling of women keeping something on their heads at all times is [color=red][size=18][u][b]from the point of view of taqwa[/b][/u][/size][/color]. Technicalli/legally in our hanafi madhab a woman is free to have her head uncovered in privacy from men.[/quote][/quote]
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[quote="Medievalist"][quote="Medievalist"]
The ruling of women keeping something on their heads at all times is [color=red][size=18][u][b]from the point of view of taqwa[/b][/u][/size][/color]. Technicalli/legally in our hanafi madhab a woman is free to have her head uncovered in privacy from men.[/quote][/quote][/quote]
which again is your OPINION. the ruling is clear. please dont bring your OPINION into it , pls. by saying:
The ruling of women keeping something on their heads [b]at all times[/b] is from the point of view of taqwa.' is adding on a condition from yourself.
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Salaam
There is a clear difference between Fatwa and Taqwa.
Fatwa can be dictated/preached to others whilst Taqwa can not.
Taqwa is a feeling that comes from within based on ones level of Iman.
Example of this was manifested in the life of Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal when a dog brushed against his clothes and he washed his clothes….even though he used to tell his students that the fur of a dog is not considered impure.
That was his high level of Taqwa….however; the Fatwa that he had given to his students regarding this issue differed to what he used to do.
What a person chooses to do based on their level of Taqwa is a personal matter…we can not tell others what to do from our own “taqwa point of view”.
Even our Imams did not do that.
Wasalaam
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[quote="yashmaki"]The brother made it clear he thinks it's from taqwa for women to remain covered at all times. Let's not rub salt in the wound, we can be better than that surely.[/quote]
from HIS OWN taqwa point of view
and he aint even a woman :roll:
u get girls who find covering their head too hard outside-
and others who preach that they should even cover it when they dont even have too :roll:
no wonder some find islam too hard to practise
Islam was sent to make life easy for others
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i can see where muslim sis is coming from - its frustrating to see ppl who are completely against women working, regardless of individual situations.
i have worked previously, but it was volountary work which i enjoyed doing. i've never felt the need for a paid job, as i know my dad doesnt mind paying for things i or my siblings need. we are very responsible with money and do not buy things unnecessarily, thats pretty much y our dad trusts us to take how much we need.
yashmaki seems to have posted some of the most rational posts on this thread - i agree with her... anything further i post in this thread would probably be in the same vain, so i'll leave it to u guys.
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[quote="TheRevivalEditor"][quote="yashmaki"]The brother made it clear he thinks it's from taqwa for women to remain covered at all times. Let's not rub salt in the wound, we can be better than that surely.[/quote]
yashmaki and medieval always help each other out...thats sweet.
next time medieval insults or accuses someone are you going to defend them or correct them, or is that just reserved for medieval?[/quote]
That is soo weak Ed. Unlike some people, certain people on this forum are not looking to alway attack people and what wrong with agreeing with Med interperation at time, I do as does Yash and I sure other do as well.
At least when Yash make a point of agreeing with Med she able to give a explantion with it as well like I do as well and not like she agree with him on everything, it can be said that when certain member agree with you, they actually don't bother given reason.
[b] Too be honest, didn't know you could be so childish. I think you need to apologies as you are the one who meant to set the example on this forum.[/b] :roll:
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salt can only be rubbed in wounds if wounds exist. If anyone thinks I get affected by members comments here, then rest assured I dont. My intention is for ALLAH, people can accept or decline thats not what Im here for. I am inshaALLAH here to spread truth and encourage towards virute and to prevent the vice.
It may be noted when I feel the need to retratc or apologise I do so as soon as I feel the mistake is pointed out to me. It was pointed out that Muhtarama has not come across a hadeeth about angels not entering on bareheaded women, I pretty soon replied that I am unsure if it is hadeeth or what its source is and aplogised for confusion. I am not here to make friends because Muslims already share the relatinoship of islam and that is enough. I need to fulfill the rights of that relationship by chastsing when people go along an incorrect and bent path. And also to encourage people to the highest actions. No1s saying im issuing fatawa, I stated I encourage towards the highest action because aiming high will ensure that atleats you will achieve something more than you hoped for just be fulfilling the minimum.
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[quote="yuit"][quote="TheRevivalEditor"][quote="yashmaki"]The brother made it clear he thinks it's from taqwa for women to remain covered at all times. Let's not rub salt in the wound, we can be better than that surely.[/quote]
yashmaki and medieval always help each other out...thats sweet.
next time medieval insults or accuses someone are you going to defend them or correct them, or is that just reserved for medieval?[/quote]
That is soo weak Ed. Unlike some people, certain people on this forum are not looking to alway attack people and what wrong with agreeing with Med interperation at time, I do as does Yash and I sure other do as well.
At least when Yash make a point of agreeing with Med she able to give a explantion with it as well like I do as well and not like she agree with him on everything, it can be said that when certain member agree with you, they actually don't bother given reason.
[b] Too be honest, didn't know you could be so childish. I think you need to apologies as you are the one who meant to set the example on this forum.[/b] :roll:[/quote]
apologise for what?
childish...actually i would say speaking my mind....i can apologise to you or sister yashmaki but NOT med....i dont apologise to people i have lost respect for....
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[quote="Medievalist"]salt can only be rubbed in wounds if wounds exist. If anyone thinks I get affected by members comments here, then rest assured I dont. My intention is for ALLAH, people can accept or decline thats not what Im here for. I am inshaALLAH here to spread truth and encourage towards virute and to prevent the vice.
It may be noted when I feel the need to retratc or apologise I do so as soon as I feel the mistake is pointed out to me. It was pointed out that Muhtarama has not come across a hadeeth about angels not entering on bareheaded women, I pretty soon replied that I am unsure if it is hadeeth or what its source is and aplogised for confusion. I am not here to make friends because Muslims already share the relatinoship of islam and that is enough. I need to fulfill the rights of that relationship by chastsing when people go along an incorrect and bent path. And also to encourage people to the highest actions. No1s saying im issuing fatawa, I stated I encourage towards the highest action because aiming high will ensure that atleats you will achieve something more than you hoped for just be fulfilling the minimum.[/quote]
no actually you do hand out fatwas. you make islam seem as if it is really really strict and rigid when it is not.
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compared to a typical western way of life, Islam is very strict..
but those who are used to an Islamic way of life do not think Islam is strict at all.
sisters who wear the nikab for example, to us here in the west.. dats well extreme,.. but to them its normal..
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[quote="TheRevivalEditor"][quote="yuit"][quote="TheRevivalEditor"][quote="yashmaki"]The brother made it clear he thinks it's from taqwa for women to remain covered at all times. Let's not rub salt in the wound, we can be better than that surely.[/quote]
yashmaki and medieval always help each other out...thats sweet.
next time medieval insults or accuses someone are you going to defend them or correct them, or is that just reserved for medieval?[/quote]
That is soo weak Ed. Unlike some people, certain people on this forum are not looking to alway attack people and what wrong with agreeing with Med interperation at time, I do as does Yash and I sure other do as well.
At least when Yash make a point of agreeing with Med she able to give a explantion with it as well like I do as well and not like she agree with him on everything, it can be said that when certain member agree with you, they actually don't bother given reason.
[b] Too be honest, didn't know you could be so childish. I think you need to apologies as you are the one who meant to set the example on this forum.[/b] :roll:[/quote]
apologise for what?
childish...actually i would say speaking my mind....i can apologise to you or sister yashmaki but NOT med....i dont apologise to people i have lost respect for....[/quote]
Apologies for the fact that Yash made a very valid point and you went and got personal. If you look at it as a neutral you would have to agree, you were being spiteful and childish and that isn't really you, I agree you normally passionate about what you discussing but you did over step the mark, I hope you can see that.
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Yup i think an apology is due for Yash, and i belive he gave that
not for med tho lol 😂
he is free from him
he is free from him
he is free from him
you all love to jump on each others backs and defend your favz 🙂
End of discussion!!
it s a matter of conscience
hey sis,dont get irritated with the extrems islam prohibits extreemism ,if u need to eaqrn ur bread and butter and u have a permit from ur parents then it doesnt matter rather it is good work to support ur parent but keep in what u do should be dignified and ur conscience allows u to do.ok hope u could have a good advice.
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[quote="yashmaki"]Whats wrong with uncovering in front of kids its allowed lol. Has the brother read the verses on the hijab. I think the sisters are more aware of who they can reveal themselves to better than the brothers are. The cheek of it![/quote]
MAHRAMS ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO SEE THE FACE AND HEAR THE VOICE.NA MAHRAM IS NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO HEAR YOUR BREATH.
WHY DONT U UNDERSTAND THAT WOMEN'S HAIR ARE INCLUDED IN SATTAR???LIKE HER OTHER BODY PARTS,EXCEPT FACE,IT SHOULD REMAIN IN PARDAH.
I HAVE GIVEN YOU THE KNOWLEDGE FOR WHICH I AM CENT PERCENT SURE,PLZZ CONTACT A WOMEN AALIM IN SUCH ASPECT,I HAVE ONE MY COUSINS SHEZ A FEMALE AALIM MASHALLAH,AND MY MOTHER HAS TOLD HER THAT SHE DESCRIBES THAT WOMEN'S HAIR ARE INCLUDED IN HER SATTAR,FURTHER MORE I HAVE CONSULTED FEW MORE PERSONS TO BE SURE TO POST SO.
WHATS WRONG WITH WEARING HIJABS INFRONT OF YOUR KIDS???
MUHAMMAD PBUH ONCE TOLD HIS COMPANIONS THAT A TIME WILL COME WHEN PEOPLE WILL BE CONSIDERING ISLAM TOUGH AND WILL NEGLECT ITS TEACHINGS.
MY DEAR SISTER,ITS A SERIOUS MATTER,IF U DONT BELEIVE ME THEN IMMDIATELY CONSULT A FEMALE AALIM IN THIS ASPECT.
ASSALAM OO ALAIKUM
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[quote="yashmaki"]oh come on Editor i think enough of you are doing the defending. Why make it into a playground game i said you said she said. You started it first no she started. Sometimes I don't say anything not coz i agree with him but it doesn't solve anything, just inflames the situation further. Don't assume we have a buddy system going.
What do you want me to do join in the fun lets all have a stab at each other it'll make us feel better.
Notice i never agreed with med on women covering their heads at home, i actually questioned it. He retracted said he'd made a mistake. I don't see the point in putting his face in the mud. Shall we draw up tally charts thats 10 points for us 0 for med.
I ain't had a good day got some verbal abuse from some ignorant non muslim outside, now this.
I'm taking time out of these forums getting childish now.[/quote]
point taken.
my apologies.
yes the forums have become a bit immature and personal, mainly due to me and medieval. i simply cant stand his views, that's all. he stands against almost everything i stand for..and its difficult for me to stay quiet and not become passionate. Theres only so much one can argue before losing his rag.
i will join you and not visit the forums for a few days aswell. ive said almost everything i need to and i dont want to waste my time answering to medieval on almost every post.
my apologies once again sister.
medieval..its all yours. have fun.
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*pfth* Sorry, I just choked on my coffee 😂 Hijaab in front of my kids? Hmmmm.... there's a novel idea.[/quote]
LOL-
yep that unpractical and BASELESS view made me laugh too