Is following religion a choice for a child?

[quote=Hajjar]I've not seen the video but replying to the question, nothing is a choice for any child regardless of their parents faith. You wouldn't let an infant choose what they wanted to eat why? They may eat something they're allergic to i.e nuts. They may eat something too hard for them to chew i.e an apple. In the same way you nourish your childs soul with what you as parents believe are good moral values to live by, be that christian, islamic, bhuddist whatever. Leaving an immature child to make life changing decisions when they are immature is stupid and neglectful to say the least.Those people who say let them decide when they're older, i say what do you teach ur kids before maturity? Atheist values, agnostic values secular values? The truth is u will be using one or more of these so effectively u are still indoctrinating them, you believe you are being fair on the child, but i think you are leaving the child open up to more confusion as they get older. Such children usually reach maturity and like their parents choose no religion. so was this really through the childs own choice?, or indoctrinating them from a young age? i think its the latter.
[/quote] That's what I was getting at 🙂 And agreed with the rest of the post too

@Lollywood - you also ignore the enefits of bringing up people with ethics and morals and the benefits of such things in THIS world.

Patience, a lack of greed, avoiding sloth etc are all things with real value in this world, are all things taught by religion.

the humanitarisn side of faith along with rules for this world - they are not there for no reason, but to help better communities and societies and to force people to go to a higher standard.

That is all for better lives in this world.

[quote=You]@Lollywood - you also ignore the enefits of bringing up people with ethics and morals and the benefits of such things in THIS world.
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Each person and culture has it's own interpretation of ethics and morals

So they shouldnt be taught?

[quote=You]So they shouldnt be taught?[/quote]

They should be taught, but without the religious aspect

[quote=lollywood][quote=You]So they shouldnt be taught?[/quote]

They should be taught, but without the religious aspect[/quote]

Why?

to the why add the how.

[quote=Noor]
Why
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Because I think it's child abuse to frighten a child about hell and heaven at a young age when their mind is still underdevelopment

[quote=You]to the why add the how.
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Just tell them that these are the things that make a person a good person

do you think its child abuse to tell them that if they stick their finger in a plug socket, they will get electrocuted?

How about running infront of a bus may get them hurt "real bad"?

What about playing with knives? or fire?

A part of bringing up children is to teach discipline too and this cant always be done without warning them of the dangers.

and no, its not child abuse to tell people that hell exists. It may however be child abuse to tell them that santa does.

[quote=You]do you think its child abuse to tell them that if they stick their finger in a plug socket, they will get electrocuted?
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No, it's for their own safety

[quote=You]
How about running infront of a bus may get them hurt "real bad"?

What about playing with knives? or fire?
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same

[quote=You]
A part of bringing up children is to teach discipline too and this cant always be done without warning them of the dangers.
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I’m sure it can be done in a non aggressive way

[quote=You]
and no, its not child abuse to tell people that hell exists.
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It is

[quote=You]
It may however be child abuse to tell them that santa does.[/quote]
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Most kids know nowadays anyway

[quote=lollywood]Is following religion a choice for a child?

[video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_AF0VltU2w&feature=channel_video_title]…]

Would you let your child decide whether he wants to watch porn or not??
or whether he wants to go to school or not?
or to befriend drug peddlers, muderers or rapist?

[quote=The Pied Piper]
Would you let your child decide whether he wants to watch porn or not??
or whether he wants to go to school or not?
or to befriend drug peddlers, muderers or rapist?[/quote]

No, but they are extreme examples

[quote=lollywood][quote=The Pied Piper]
Would you let your child decide whether he wants to watch porn or not??
or whether he wants to go to school or not?
or to befriend drug peddlers, muderers or rapist?[/quote]

No, but they are extreme examples[/quote]

so?

[quote=admin] and no, its not child abuse to tell people that hell exists. It may however be child abuse to tell them that santa does. [/quote]

lol. thank you admin.

[quote=Hajjar]
Putting academic knowledge above religious is like putting this world above paradise. our Goal is paradise so that should be aimed for first not the material world and all of its temporary joys.

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+1 😃

[quote=Lilly]
so?
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It won't come to that

[quote=Young Anonymous Muslimah][quote=Hajjar]
Putting academic knowledge above religious is like putting this world above paradise. our Goal is paradise so that should be aimed for first not the material world and all of its temporary joys.
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+1 :D[/quote]

But in this world you are bound to get the reward for your efforts almost instantly or at least compared to heaven, when it comes to heaven their is no guarantee of anything it’s just blind belief you have to go by and hope that it ends up being correct

If you dont hold to that, that is your choice.

Let other intelligent people choose differently and to educate their children and bring them up with faith.

Believing in God is the most logical choice there is.

[quote=lollywood][quote=Young Anonymous Muslimah][quote=Hajjar]
Putting academic knowledge above religious is like putting this world above paradise. our Goal is paradise so that should be aimed for first not the material world and all of its temporary joys.
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+1 :D[/quote]

But in this world you are bound to get the reward for your efforts almost instantly or at least compared to heaven, when it comes to heaven their is no guarantee of anything it’s just blind belief you have to go by and hope that it ends up being correct[/quote]

Errmmm are you sure you're muslim? Do you understand the meaning of believing. If you was muslim you wouldn't be hoping heaven exists, muslims believe that heaven exists. I don't know about you but i certainly don't believe it blindly, i came to believe through ration. Islam is the most rational explanation for life, through my rational understand of the proof of a creator (Allah) i came to His book (the Quran). In the Qur'an (the words of Allah) He tells us about heaven. So it exists...

Lollywood, we didn't just come out of thin air, nor did the first atom. Allah (swt) in his wisdom created it and us.

Could you prove that there is no heaven,, could you prove that you will NOT be rewarded for your good deeds and be answerable to your sins.
The signs around you are evidence that Allah (swt) exists and everything in nature has a programmed pattern and has purpose as Allash has decreed it to be.

[quote=The Lamp]Lollywood, we didn't just come out of thin air, nor did the first atom. Allah (swt) in his wisdom created it and us.
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[quote=The Lamp]
Could you prove that there is no heaven
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Could you prove that there is? I don't think so

[quote=The Lamp]
could you prove that you will NOT be rewarded for your good deeds and be answerable to your sins.
The signs around you are evidence that Allah (swt) exists and everything in nature has a programmed pattern and has purpose as Allah has decreed it to be.
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That's what you've been told to believe

If you want to have a genuine and open minded discussion on the existence of God, then by all means we could start a brand new topic.

Let me ask you, and please answer honestly without the rhetoric, which doesn't actually help your points. Does it feel right, to you, if a person can live a really decent and good life and be walked and but die and get no real reward for it?
Since you seem to have a problem with the concept of Allah and heaven, surely it's up to you to prove that there's no usch thing.

Please answer without saying: "That's what you've been told to believe" because that's not even a point, let alone an argument, unless you're trying to disprove what I'm saying.

According to you, what happened before the Big Bang?

[quote=The Lamp]If you want to have a genuine and open minded discussion on the existence of God, then by all means we could start a brand new topic.

Let me ask you, and please answer honestly without the rhetoric, which doesn't actually help your points. Does it feel right, to you, if a person can live a really decent and good life and be walked and but die and get no real reward for it?
Since you seem to have a problem with the concept of Allah and heaven, surely it's up to you to prove that there's no usch thing.

Please answer without saying: "That's what you've been told to believe" because that's not even a point, let alone an argument, unless you're trying to disprove what I'm saying.

According to you, what happened before the Big Bang?[/quote]

should i say dont bother?

ive asked him if he thought we came from monkeys. he answered with theory of evolution does. when i said but do you? he said i dont know but thats what some people do.
he's just a tantrummy little boy who thinks he's done with studying coz he's got it now. he can run the world. with tried to cushion his fall. but damn he just wriggles right out of our fingers. he wants the fall. give him the fall. or should i say let him jump in front of the bus and see how much it hurts. he wont listen to us who KNOWS its going to hurt or to the ones who HAVE actually EXPERIENCED the bus-hitting. let him get hit i say. thats how you gotta deal with stubborn little knowitall.

and LOLLYWOOD DONT EVEN SAY IM GOING TO MAKE A GOOD MOTHER BECAUSE OF THAT LAST SENTENCE I WILL...push you in fornt of the bus. and build a bonfire. and maybe fuel the fire with lollywood posters. fun.

Sometimes I think you have some serious issues, Lilly :p

[quote=ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE]Sometimes I think you have some serious issues, Lilly :p[/quote]

you're right. how could iwrite fun uncapitalised, with no smiley and no exclamation mark. serious issues indeed. let me try and rectify this.

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[quote=The Lamp]If you want to have a genuine and open minded discussion on the existence of God, then by all means we could start a brand new topic.

Let me ask you, and please answer honestly without the rhetoric, which doesn't actually help your points. Does it feel right, to you, if a person can live a really decent and good life and be walked and but die and get no real reward for it?
Since you seem to have a problem with the concept of Allah and heaven, surely it's up to you to prove that there's no such thing.

Please answer without saying: "That's what you've been told to believe" because that's not even a point, let alone an argument, unless you're trying to disprove what I'm saying.

According to you, what happened before the Big Bang?[/quote]

We can't be sure of anything we’ve only heard of jannat and jahannum through a book called the Quran know one has actually seen it, we don't know where it is and how we’re going to get their

[quote=Lilly]
should i say dont bother?

i've asked him if he thought we came from monkeys. he answered with theory of evolution does. when i said but do you? he said i dont know but thats what some people say.

he's just a tantrummy little boy who thinks he's done with studying coz he's got it now. he can run the world.
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We do share some dna with monkeys

[quote=Lilly]
we’ve tried to cushion his fall. but damn he just wriggles right out of our fingers.
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Knowing you you'd probably remove the cushion when I’m near landing

[quote=Lilly]
he wants the fall. give him the fall. or should i say let him jump in front of the bus and see how much it hurts. he wont listen to us who KNOW its going to hurt or to the ones who HAVE actually EXPERIENCED the bus-hitting.
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So you've experienced being hit by a bus?

[quote=Lilly]
let him get hit i say. thats how you gotta deal with stubborn little know it all.
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You sound annoyed

[quote=Lilly]
I WILL...push you in front of the bus. and build a bonfire. and maybe fuel the fire with lollywood posters. fun.
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My fault I’ve caught you wrong time of the month

[quote=lollywood]
I'm not a Christian you can write back in Urdu, Punjabi and I will answer you[/quote]

This may be the most stupidest thing you have ever written.

Dude- understanding Urdu doesn't make you a muslim. It's a LANGUAGE. Not a Religion.

Jeeez.

Btw,If you were a parent,you would want what's best for your child,and as a Muslim, you know Islam is clearly the best choice... Why would you let your kid delve in other faiths that may bring harm to them?

there's NO cushion. we've tried catching you while you're falling to break your fall but you dont wanna be caught.

[quote=Lioness of Allah]
Dude- understanding Urdu doesn't make you a muslim. It's a LANGUAGE. Not a Religion.

Jeeez.
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Urdu is the national language of Pakistan, do people in Saudi arab, Iran, Iraq speak urdu?

[quote=Lioness of Allah]
Btw,If you were a parent,you would want what's best for your child,and as a Muslim, you know Islam is clearly the best choice... Why would you let your kid delve in other faiths that may bring harm to them?[/quote]

What's right for me may not be right for my children if I decided to have any