so i started with googling, opened three links which led to four and here they are:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22634468 a short BBC report, with a short clip of one of the attacker. one thing though, they keep emphasizing how distressing the clip might be etc..but in today's age where we're exposed to this killing and that killing in movies and games.. the reality of the man's red hands and bloodied knife just doesnt sink in.
there's this extremely cool woman who talked to the 2 attackers, here's the article, interesting read, gives you the point of view of a regular person http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10074881/Mum-...
then there's the cobra meeting happening, and here's a Guardian article about it, well there isnt much about it. its more a description of the event with quotes from "important" people in it like
Met Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, MI5 director general Andrew Parker, Home Secretary Theresa May, Defence Secretary Philip Hammond and Mayor of London Boris Johnson were among those at Thursday morning's Cobra meeting.
That's from the BBC article btw.
and finally the 4th link, quite a long link actually, very much in details, by the Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10073910/Wool...
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this is what one of the attackers said:
Do you think David Cameron is going to get caught in the street when we start busting our guns? Do you think your politicians are going to die?
"when we start busting our guns"?? so..does that tell us there's more of them? probably, as has been alleged in those article, these guys are "homegrown terrorist" so there's someone pulling the strings. plus im sure the attackers werent referring to themselves in the above, they were flaunting and telling people to take pics and they knew they were going to get caught and didnt seem to mind.
which is a further argument to say they've been somewhat brainwashed no? who in their right mind would be okay with being caught by the ennemy? except if they consider themselves "pawns", "stepping stones for something greater" and even if not that, they at least feel that their "sacrifice" is going to be "worthy", there's a bigger picture out there...
“But above all, the way we have beaten them back is showing an absolutely indomitable British spirit that we will not be cowed, we will never buckle under these attacks. The terrorists will never win because they can never beat the values we hold dear, the belief in freedom, in democracy, in free speech, in our British values, Western values. They are never going to defeat those. That is how we will stand up to these people, whoever they are, however many there are of them, and that is how we will win.” this quote is from the last Telegraph article, im not too sure who said it but im guessing its the Prime Minister, the article is a bit confusing quoting French president in the above paragraph and Theresa May in the one right after. why i quote this, these terrorist attacks have an impact on us, as Muslims, they're drawing this line, digging a trench, building a wall between being Muslim and British (or from the west) making it more and more difficult to be both. Will we have to choose a side? soon?
Another thing that came up for me, do you think they would have used the gun to shoot at passerby who tried to intervene? shooting someone is like stepping into a new world, but they were quite crazed, so im not sure whether they'd have done it. im asking because of
One witness, identified only as James, said he and his partner watched in horror as they realised what they were seeing. He shouted at the men to stop, only for one of them to pull out a gun and threaten to shoot him.
After driving his car further up the road, he stopped and called the police, telling them to bring armed units.
From the Telegraph article.
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what the attackers did is wrong, they killed a man they didnt know personally nor knew if HE had done anything that they were blaming the British troops or whoever it was they were blaming of doing. I, Looking to See, condemn what they've done.
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
Here's an article which says Anjem Chaudry has said he knows the suspect, a revert going by the name Mujahid (facepalm) https://mobile.twitter.com/Independent/status/337502142845833219?p=v
The EDL went out into streets yesterday being "warriors" for the country. And I don't know if it was them or others but there were reports of mosques being attacked on Kent, Essex and Braintree, last night.
Oh and the EDL Facebook page has gone from 30,000 yesterday to 80,00 today!
Here's another first hand account https://mobile.twitter.com/BOYADEE and here's a (kinda amusing) translation for those of you who don't fully understand those tweets https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BK4lBUnCAAA6lCZ.png
Also here's an interesting article: A drug-addicted and mentally ill man accused of beheading a British woman in a Tenerife supermarket has denied the murder, telling a court that his actions are governed by the voices he hears in his head.
http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/18/jennifer-mills-westley-murder-...
Do you recall there being national outrage at this? Yh, me neither.
They showed footage of the woolwhich guys on ITV news but I haven't seen in it. The whole thing is horrific and I don't think anyone in their right mind would BEHEAD someone and then try not to run away either.
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
the translation of the tweets are a work of art! made me feel better, was coming on here to vent, but calmed down after reading your post.
i just had enough..my fb is covered with people either going out of their way to make amends for Islam, or fb-arguments over the violence of Islam and teh barbaric religion and using big words etc.. and oh sighhhhhhhh
and then this article pop out of nowhere of a woman verbally attacked on public transport, thing is, she answered back lol. I'd like to know what she said exactly, could be helpful.
which is making me think...should i dress less conspicually for the next few days...i might actually if im travelling alone..drop the big one piece and go for abayah and headscarf...
should i? i do live in east london, i shld be pretty safe... shouldnt i?
argh, i hate this.
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
What exactly is the one piece? :S and better to be safe than sorry.
This is odd, the vid shown on tv and the pictures on newspapers showed the guy with blood on his hands. Now here's a vid showing he doesn't have blood on his hands :S
https://t.co/gvYl5ucPrV
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
Wikepedia pulled a fast one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Woolwich_attack
Why do you have to change the way you dress as a result of another person's actions? This shouldn't make you question how you choose to appear as. The person who did this ghastly crime should be interrogated, not the ones who share the same religion as him.
Just when people are coming to terms with the boston attacks, something else occurs and it starts all over again. So what if they insult you in public? Let ignorant people spread abuse and violence over fb. We can try and prevent it of course; but how many tongues are we going to hold? Best thing to do is to avoid taking too much notice of it, as that is what draws attention to yourself.
I only took fully notice of this murder today when someone showed me the article on their phone and I heard someone explaining it to a non-Muslim lol.
You have every right to feel safe because you said you condemn the attack yourself, so what have you got to hide? If some loony thinks its ok to verbally attack people without any knowledge, then the way you dress shouldn't stop you from making your voice heard. Good on that woman!
Some times you have to, for your own safety.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
http://www.almoultazimoun.com/en/one-piece-jilbab/1753-jilbab-kawthar.html << one piece.
JazakAllahkhair for your words _ME_. i went out today with mum and brother, it was alright, it was in the area though, but it was fine alhamdulillah. i dont think i'll be going out any time soon on my own though, got loads of studying to do. so inshaaAllah i wont be changing my appearance.
also, ill create a blog abt the woman verbally abused inshaaAllah
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What's there to be afraid of?
getting attacked.
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
There is one thing that i think should be made clear which is what our Prime Minister said. Yes we don't agree with some decisions that he makes for this country, but this is one that stood out for me and i agree with him too.
'This was not just an attack on Britain – and on our British way of life. It was also a betrayal of Islam and of the Muslim communities who give so much to our country. There is nothing in Islam that justifies this truly dreadful act. We will defeat violent extremism by standing together...'
It made me smile to realise that there is atleast one leader in this country who understands that Muslims should not be brushed with the acts of certain individuals. He deserves a round of applause from me.
I can't take such things seriously coming from politicians.
I don't think it's anything special, I would've been shocked if he turned around and said yes it's Islam's fault, let's all vilify Muslims - which would never happen.
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
The morning after this incident occured, i was sit with two Muslim girls and two non-Muslims girls. The topic was brought up and i mentioned how i condemned it and i saw how during the entire conversation the two non-Muslim girls didn't mention a word. I would've wanted to know what they thought about it, but it's too late now.
I also mentioned how i don't like the fact that people are blaming this on Islam and giving it a bad name. One of the Muslim girls said to me - But if you think about it, if that was your brother, sister, relative or friend, wouldn't you do the exact same and blame the entire community? Wouldn't you hate every single person from that community and let you anger and hatred grow?
And confidently, i told her, no i wouldn't.
This may explain a bit about the style of the murder:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/24/woolwich-adebowale-witnessed-mu...
Or it might not.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Good news just before bed last night.
http://www.channel4.com/news/help-for-heroes-not-accepting-edl-donations
Mr "Robinson" was planning to raise funds for the forces charity in the wake of Drummer Lee Rigby's death, through a sponsored walk from Westminster to Woolwich, where the soldier was killed.
Over £3,000 had already been pledged on his Just Giving donation page.
But when contacted by Channel 4 News, Help for Heroes said it did not know about the planned sponsored walk and that it would not accept the money.
The charity asked Just Giving to take down the online donations page, which it did, and the money was returned to individual donors.
Help for Heroes told said that it would never accept money from Tommy Robinson and that it found the proposed donation "alarming".
A spokesperson told Channel 4 News that the charity was taking measures to stop the EDL from doing any future fundraising for Help for Heroes.