[color=indigo][b]A 23-year-old man has been shot by police during a house raid involving 250 officers carried out early on Friday under the Terrorism Act.[/b]
The man, who was later arrested, was taken to a nearby hospital after the search in Forest Gate, east London. His injuries are not life-threatening.A 20-year-old man is also being held at a central London police station.A single shot was fired, according to the Independent Police Complaints Commission which will investigate. The operation was not linked to the London bombings of July 2005, police have said.
The 23-year-old man was arrested in an east London hospital on suspicion of the commission, preparation and instigation of acts of terrorism.Police officers in protective clothing have moved into the terraced house in Lansdown Road in what is being described as a "precautionary measure".A white and yellow tent has been set up outside the property.Several people in the house at the time of the raid have been moved to other premises. They have not been arrested.
Lansdown Road, and neighbouring Rothsay Road and Prestbury Road, are all closed.A 14-year-old boy Nimesh Patel, who saw the raid, said police broke in through a window, and then opened the front door.He said the person shot appeared to have a shoulder injury.Another witness said he had seen a man wearing a bloodstained T-shirt being carried out of the house after the raid.In a statement Scotland Yard said there was no evidence of risk to the public in the area."If we believe there is a potential risk, appropriate action will be taken and advice issued," it said.
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BBC home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw said the raids follow an investigation into international terrorism targeting the UK.Security sources have described the Forest Gate raid as "potentially significant" and said it followed months of surveillance.The raid followed discussions between MI5, the Met's anti-terrorist branch and the Health Protection Agency - which advised on the potential health risks of the raid.
The IPCC, in a statement, said it would use its own investigators to "examine the circumstances surrounding the discharge of a police firearm". Deborah Glass, IPCC commissioner, said: "The incident was referred to the IPCC immediately and investigators were deployed to the scene."An examination of the officers' firearms confirms that a single shot was discharged in circumstances that are currently under investigation."The Civil Aviation Authority says an air exclusion zone has been set up over east London and will be in place for four days.Aircraft are banned from flying over the site below 2,500ft.
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Residents said Forest Gate was a typical east London "mixed" community with a large number of Bengali and Pakistani families, along with a recent influx of Eastern Europeans.
One neighbour said the operation early this morning had involved "the most police I've seen in my life".Another neighbour said a family lived at the address."They were respectable and nice people and we do not know anything else. They have always been nice to us," she said."They have lived there for a long time. The kids all go to school locally."Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott was briefed on the shooting this morning, his spokesman said.
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so it begins.....
Back in BLACK
Apparently it was some bengali guy....is that true?
And why would you need 250 officers to raid a small flat....I didn't think they could fit all of them in together lol.
well they wouldn't know if they did not try.
Apparently even the airspace was cleared before the raid.
Lets see what happens with all this.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
they're saying one brother shot the other. this is ridiculous. another police embarassment in the making. :roll:
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
I was just about to say that. If the police had the gun then how comes one bro shot the other and with 250 police officers involved in the raid there is bound to be atleast a dozen witnesses....I don't know why it's taking them so long to find out what [i]really[/i] happened.
I think the reason they are not giving info out at all atm is less about putting their foot in it this time, and more about putting their foot in it the last time.
On 22 July there were plenty of media briefings. They turned out to be lies.
Maybe they do not want to say anything until an investigation is completed.
The suggestion of one brother shooting the other is sunday paper speculation which has not been confirmed nor denied by the Police.
All they say is that a firearm was discharged, and they are investigating.
This could be very bad, or thye may be right. Remember July 7 is not too far away, and they will be on full alert to see if there are any 'copycat' attacks.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
This is being discussed on the radio at the moment, i'm sick of the frenzy and "speculations". No concrete statement has been made by the police yet, but despite this the media has managed to apparently obtain the facts. They're all very careful to add "alleged," to all their so called findings, but on face value they present their info as "facts".
Funny how a reporter from the daily mirror likes to think he's a CSI investigator from a bit of leaked info. I'd rather wait until the report becomes public. This culture of gossip and speculation is a tool the media likes to use to sell their products. Then they so very conveniently like to play the moral police for the public claiming; "we are representing the public, they have a right to know". Yeah we have a right to know the facts, not hypothical scenarios that do nothing but instill fear in ppl, who are already living in fear.
Yea its a bengali guy,
he aint that type whoz into terrorism,
his just a heavy time dealer.......
well known..
Learn To Love The People Who Are Willing To Love You At Present. Forget The People In The Past & Thank Them For Hurting You, Which Lead You To Love The People You Have Right Now..
Rubz,
I didn't read anywhere that he's a dealer, has that come from someone reliable?
[size=10]I feel I'm gonna move on back down south
you know where the water tastes like cherry wine[/size]
Yea,
Its from his own boyz,
like i sed his known
Learn To Love The People Who Are Willing To Love You At Present. Forget The People In The Past & Thank Them For Hurting You, Which Lead You To Love The People You Have Right Now..
It will be interesting to see if the authorities can demonstrate he is linked to terrorism. If it turns out there's no connection then clearly something is very wrong with the way Scotland Yard is handling intelligence, or maybe a saboteur is at large leaking misinformation. If the links are clear obviously I can have no problem with how they've handled it, but if the result suggests they're incompetent, they need to be working more closely with intelligence and police in other countries to establish what does and doesn't work. Thanks for the bit of privileged info.
[size=10]I feel I'm gonna move on back down south
you know where the water tastes like cherry wine[/size]
Trust that guy aint A terrorist,
he aint got ne motives
and his more intereted in other thingz,
so basically Scotland Yard will be shown up once again
Learn To Love The People Who Are Willing To Love You At Present. Forget The People In The Past & Thank Them For Hurting You, Which Lead You To Love The People You Have Right Now..
the whole fiasco is a joke, they're gona go in his kitchen...mix some vinegar with mirch and say its a chemical weapon and have him sent to guantanamo in an orange suit
seriously, the whole thing is blown out of proportion and is a joke....the views of the neighbours and surround people says it all.
jus to get people scared and thinking about it all over again, a la bush in farenhiet....get the people scared
heres a letter by a man i totally do not like, and im only posting this coz i got it via email from someone....
Press Release Dated 4th June 2006
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
Hmmm...
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Assalamu Alaikum,
I was cooking and listening to the radio. They made a live statement today the first since their release. The guy who got shot, his account got me teary eyed the trauma he was suffering was still very raw, he kinder broke down in the press conference. Anyone else hear or watch it, any comments?
The most ridiculous charge was something like this: at one point one of the brothers was asked if he was with the kkk, simply because he had a music CD of an artist who supports the kkk. The brother replied,i didn't know whether to laugh or cry first i'm accused of being a member of jamia Islamia/Al Qaeda, then i'm being accused of being with a white supremacist terrorism organisation (he's asian btw) :roll:
...do the KKK even operate in Britain?
I'm surprised brits would even know about them - they're a southern racist terrorist organization; but really more of a localized fraternal order rather than a global organization.
With 99.999999% certainty, nobody seriously asked if he was a member of the KKK. Quite possibly it was a sarcastic remark levelled at him. It does look like this operation was a botch job although if RuBz is correct we can't have heard the last of it and I don't have sympathy with him. I would share the concern of others that they may be a target but I think it's bull and there's obviously a story behind the intelligence police were given about this particular guy, which we may yet hear about.
Don Karnage,
Of course we've heard of the KKK. Those of us that didn't learn about them in history classes - because they are a key player in the issue of the abolition of slavery and because a lot significant happened in America between the wars - learnt about them through some TV show or another. If the KKK were in Britain you wouldn't have heard of them but that's because (being polite) Americans have other stuff on their minds. Having said that America has given quite a generous ear to us Brits of late. It is one very good thing Blair has done, raising the UK's global prestige. And we are culturally very close to America and impressed with it, generally.
[size=10]I feel I'm gonna move on back down south
you know where the water tastes like cherry wine[/size]
:? i'm sorry rubz, but i think it's disgusting you would spread such things about the brothers (you didn't even specify which one you were referring to). i saw them on the BBC's live coverage of the press conference, and they certainly do not look like drug dealers. yes looks can be deceiving but i'm not going to accept such statements about them which were passed on by gossip. if the claim was true wouldn't the police have found some trace of drugs in the house which they turned upside down in their search for a chemical weapon. :roll:
and 100, even if it was true, how many drug dealers have you heard of whose punishment was to be shot in the chest and kept in police custody without charge?
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
Thing is I did get a similar impression of one of their pasts on the news by someone from their street.
The guy said something like 'He had recently given up his old life of hanging around, and had become religious', which I took as meaning something similar.
Totally diferent crimes... and if he has really given up then all the better.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
I too felt for them after listening to their press statement on BBC news today.
The Met Police apology sounds so lame...that family was treated ruthlessly.
Policemen acting in such a inhumane manner is not something I used to associate with the police from this country.
One would of thought they would have learned from their mistake after unfairly shooting the brazilian guy.
100 how do you know with "certainty" that these guys are making up the story about the kkk allegation. No one knows anything for certainty yet not even the police complaints commission yet you seem to have inside information.
Also you say you have no sympathy, i take it you've already decided "he's guilty", even though the police are clearly still unsure and are continuing their investigations elsewhere
I felt sorry for the guy based on his account, whether it's true or not i don't know. However i'm not prepared to make judgements about whether he's guilty or not, i'd rather await the verdict, too many malicious reports were spread in previous cases and turned out to be completely false.
Your comments kinder anger me, how you seem to assume these guys are guilty without a doubt, irrespective of the fact the case is still open.
p.s Dave i remember seeing quite a few documentaries on the KKK. One in particular stands out in my memory. It followed a reporter Louis Theroux who amongst skin heads and Nazi followers, interviewed Tom Metzer, you heard of him?, he's one sick individual.
IF he (who are we talking bout here, the one who was shot right?) did do it, and has stopped, its even more reason to not spread such stuff - as discussed in the 'liar' thread.
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
yash, i think you've misconstrued some of the points 100 made (though i must say it's sometimes easy to do that with the way he phrases things).
i'm sure he'll clarify his stance, but until then:
i think he meant he's certain the police were not serious when asking the guy about kkk, that it was more likely to have been a sarcastic question. and here i think he said IF rubz is right about the guy being a drug dealer then he (100) has no sympathy for him.[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
Great point, thank you.
yashmaki,
What Dust wrote is a correct interpretation of my post, and I apologise for making you angry.
Dust, thanks again.
One time I was attending a fairly high security event where I expected to know one or two people on the door, so on the approach I was looking around in a way that might have seemed potentially suspect. I didn't know anyone on the door. At the door my person and belongings were checked which is pretty standard, and I don't know what it was but someone keeping an eye on me, who meant well but made an honest mistake, yelled that I had a knife. Before I knew it I was quite violently pinned to the ground. I was convincingly harmless, probably shouting my name and clarifying that I did not have a knife, and in fact I think somebody recognised me, so it was fine.
I can imagine a situation in which I might subsequently wish to challenge that, but everyone was doing their jobs and I took reassurance from the guy's vigilance. It is not possible to be rigorous with security and simultaneously to guarantee mistakes won't be made, and split second decisions have to be made depending on the threat level. I have had some security training and if I thought I was up against an immediate threat I would not stop to ask questions.
This is not per se an excuse for police recklessness, but I will be interested to understand more about the intelligence behind the raid before I condemn anyone, and while I'm sure there is adequate understanding that the police must be held accountable, there may not be adequate understanding of the need for effective security. If the police had a tip-off about a pending threat from a source that seemed credible, they were obliged to act on it within whatever time they had. Noone would forgive the opposite error.
[size=10]I feel I'm gonna move on back down south
you know where the water tastes like cherry wine[/size]
Good to see they apologised.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
sorry 100, i seem to be misinterpreting you lately :?
[color=magenta]their conference was so touching really made me cry any1 have any info bout the march or demo happening on sunday to support the brothers[/color]
[b][color=DeepPink]O you who believe, If you help (in the cause of) Allah, He will help you, and make your foothold firm[/color][color=DeepSkyBlue] {Surah Muhammad7}[/color][/b]
No worries. I'll try to avoid any ambiguity.
[size=10]I feel I'm gonna move on back down south
you know where the water tastes like cherry wine[/size]
lol you should have said "I don't care. I guess I could try to avoid ambiguity."
:?
Don Karnage, I don't get that at all. Are you calling me gay?
[size=10]I feel I'm gonna move on back down south
you know where the water tastes like cherry wine[/size]
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