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The realities of bid'ah and the friday eid
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There is a form of sunnah that you would consider bid'ah.
When the companions of the prophet
were confronted with a situation that they had not confronted before, they would try to do the best thing and then afterwards relate it to the prophet (saw).
If the prophet
remained silent or spoke in favour of the action, it now became sunnah.
What bid'ah is is that you cannot make something fardh or haraam that hasnt done before (so in essence stating something is haraam, which has not been made haraam by the prophet
and his messenger is in itself bid'ah. More, the hanafi definitions of haraam are pretty stringent)
there is in ahadith a mention of creating new sunnah and how it is a good thing to do - there was a time when a sahabi acted first in a good act and then others copied. The Prophet
approved and stated that when someone does a good act and others copy the original person is rewarded as long as people copy. This is how many Islamic traditions started - eg some pious person did ibadat at a specific (allowed) moment and then others copied it. It never became fardh, but a strong tradition and copying it gives reward to the originator of that good act.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
theirs a big difference between the companions situation and ours, the religion was incomplete at that point so in msot cases if the ruling wasnt available then the sahaba ra had to got muhammad saw, howeverin that very same situation if muhammad saw had already taught them what to do they would, after the death of muhammad saw the religon now complete the sahaba ra now did things according to quran and hadith, however if they didnt understand they would go the sahaba ra of knowledge such as the 4 caliphas and they would tell them what to do based on the quran and sunnah so again this doesnt apply here
you have scholars to spreak to, quran and ahdith and islamic books to read use them
bidah is not simply making fardh or whatever its creatin something new in this religion, creating something new in this religion, it doesnt matter what it is it is harram, for islam doesnt need any new things allah has already gave us what we need in this religion
for a detailed definition of bidah
1. Definition of bid’ah
2. Categories of bid’ah
3. Rulings on one who commits bid’ah – does that make him a kaafir or
not?
1.
Definition of bid’ah.
Shaykh Muhammad ibn
‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “According to sharee’ah,
the definition is ‘Worshipping Allaah in ways that Allaah has not prescribed.’
If you wish you may say, ‘Worshipping Allaah in ways that are not those
of the Prophet (peace and blessings
of Allaah be upon him) or his rightly guided successors (al-khulafaa’
al-raashidoon).’”
The first definition is taken from the aayah
(interpretation of the meaning):
“Or have they partners
with Allaah (false gods) who have instituted for them a religion which
Allaah has not ordained?” [al-Shooraa 42:21]
The
second definition is taken from the hadeeth of the Prophet
(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), who said:
“I urge you to adhere
to my way (Sunnah) and the way of the rightly-guided successors (al-khulafa’
al-raashidoon) who come after me. Hold fast to it and bite onto
it with your eyeteeth [i.e., cling firmly to it], and beware of newly-invented
matters.”
So everyone who worships
Allaah in a manner that Allaah has not prescribed or in a manner that
is not in accordance with the way of the Prophet
(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or his rightly-guided successors
(al-khulafa’ al-raashidoon), is an innovator, whether that innovated
worship has to do with the names and attributes of Allaah, or to do
with His rulings and laws.
With regard to ordinary
matters of habit and custom, these are not called bid’ah (innovation)
in Islam, even though they may be described as such in linguistic terms.
But they are not innovations in the religious sense, and these are not
the things that the Prophet (peace
and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was warning us against.
And there is no such
thing in Islam as bid’ah hasanah (good innovation).”
(Majmoo’ Fataawa Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, vol. 2, p. 291)
2. Categories of bid’ah
Bid’ah may be divided
into two categories:
(i) bid’ah
which constitutes kufr
(ii) bid’ah
which does not constitute kufr
If you ask, what is
the definition of bid’ah which constitutes kufr and that which does
not constitute kufr?
The answer is:
Shaykh Haafiz al-Hukami (may Allaah have mercy on him)
said: “The kind of bid’ah which constitutes kufr is when one denies
a matter on which there is scholarly consensus, which widely-known,
and which no Muslim can have any excuse for not knowing, such as denying
something that is obligatory, making something obligatory that is not
obligatory, or making something haraam halaal, or making something halaal
haraam; or believing some notion about Allaah, His Messenger and His
Book when they are far above that, whether in terms of denial of affirmation
– because that means disbelieving in the Qur’aan and in the message
with which Allaah sent His Messenger
(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).
Examples include the
bid’ah of the Jahamiyyah, who denied the attributes of Allaah; or the
notion that the Qur’aan was created; or the notion that some of the
attributes of Allaah were created; or the bid’ah of the Qadariyyah
who denied the knowledge and actions of Allaah; or the bid’ah of the
Mujassimah who likened Allaah to His creation… etc.
The second category,
bid’ah which does not constitute kufr, is defined as that which does
not imply rejection of the Qur’aan or of anything with which Allaah
sent His Messengers.
Examples
include the Marwaani bid’ahs (which were denounced by the greatest Sahaabah
who did not approve of them, although they did not denounce them as
kaafirs or refuse to give them bay’ah because of that), such as delaying
some of the prayers until the end of the due times, doing the Eid khutbah
before the Eid prayer, delivering the khutbah whilst sitting down on
Fridays, etc.
(Ma’aarij al-Qubool,
2/503-504)
3- The
ruling on one who commits bid’ah – is he regarded as a kaafir or not?
The answer is that
it depends.
If the bid’ah constitutes
kufr, then the person is one of the following two types:
(i) Either
it is known that his intention is to destroy the foundations of Islam
and make the Muslims doubt it. Such a person is definitely a kaafir;
indeed, he is a stranger to Islam and is one of the enemies of the faith.
(ii) Or
he is deceived and confused; he cannot be denounced as a kaafir until
proof is established against him, fair and square.
If the bid’ah does
not constitute kufr, then he should not be denounced as a kaafir. Rather,
he remains a Muslim, but he has done a gravely evil action.
If you ask, how should
we deal with those who commit bid’ah?
The answer is:
Shaykh Muhammad ibn
‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “In both cases, we have
to call these people – who claim to be Muslim but who commit acts of
bid’ah which may constitute kufr or may be less than that – to the truth,
by explaining the truth without being hostile or condemning what they
are doing. But once we know that they are too arrogant to accept the
truth – for Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning), ‘And insult
not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides Allaah, lest they
insult Allaah wrongfully without knowledge.’ [al-An’aam 6:108] –
if we find out that they are stubborn and arrogant, then we should point
out their falsehood, because then pointing out their falsehood becomes
an obligation upon us.
With regard to boycotting
them, that depends upon the bid’ah. If it is a bid’ah which constitutes
kufr, then it is obligatory to boycott the person who does it. If it
is of a lesser degree than that, then it is essential to examine the
situation further. If something may be achieved by boycotting the person,
then we do it; if no purpose will be served by it, or if it will only
make him more disobedient and arrogant, then we should avoid doing that,
because whatever serves no purpose, it is better not to do it. And also
in principle it is haraam to boycott a believer, because the Prophet
(peace and blessings of Allaah
be upon him) said: ‘It is not permissible for a man to forsake [not
speak to] his brother for more than three [days].’”
(Adapted from Majmoo’
Fataawa Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, vol. 2, p. 293)
http://islamqa.info/en/ref/10843/
now you say rasulullah saw allowed bidah again you quote half the ahdith and leave the other out:
Jareer ibn 'Abdullaah al-Bajali (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: "The
Messenger of Allaah
(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)
said: 'Whoever starts a good thing and is followed by others, will have his
own reward and a reward equal to that of those who follow him, without it
detracting from their reward in any way. Whoever starts a bad thing and is
followed by others, will bear the burden of his own sin and a burden equal
to that of those who follow him, without it detracting from their burden in
any way.'" (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, no. 2675. He said, This is a saheeh hasan hadeeth)
There is a story behind this hadeeth, which will explain what "whoever
starts a good thing" means. Imaam Muslim reported this story from Jareer
ibn 'Abdullaah, who also narrated the hadeeth itself. He said: "Some people
from the Bedouin came to the Messenger of Allaah
(peace and
blessings of Allaah be upon him), wearing woollen garments. He saw that
they were in bad shape and in desperate need, so he urged the people to
give them charity. They people were very slow to respond, and it could be
seen in his face (that he was upset). Then a man of the Ansaar brought a
package of silver, then another came, and another and another, and his face
was filled with joy. The Messenger of Allaah
(peace and blessings
of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts a good thing in Islam, and
others do likewise after him, there will be written for him a reward like that
of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their
reward. Whoever starts a bad thing in Islam, and others do likewise after
him, there will be written for him a burden of sin like that of those who
followed him, without it detracting in the least from their burden.'" (Reported
by Muslim, no. 1017)
Further explanation may be found in a report recorded by al-Nisaa'i, also
from Jareer ibn 'Abdullah, may Allaah be pleased with him, who said: "We
were with the Messenger of Allaah
(peace and blessings of Allaah
be upon him) early one day, when some people who were almost naked
(not dressed properly) and barefoot, with their swords by their sides, came
to him. Most, if not all of them, were of (the tribe of) Mudar. The
Messenger's face changed when he saw how poor they were (i.e., he
became upset). He went into (his house), then he came out and ordered
Bilaal to give the call to prayer. He led the people in prayer, then he
addressed them, saying: 'O people, "be dutiful to your Lord, Who created
you from a single person, and from him He created his wife, and from
them both he created many men and women, and fear Allaah through
Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of)
the wombs (kinship)" [al-Nisaa' 4:1].
"Fear Allaah, and keep your duty to Him. And let every person look to
what he has sent forth for the morrow…" [al-Hashr 59:18].
Let a man give charity from his dinars, his dirhams, his clothing, his wheat
or his dates - even if it is only half a date.' A man from the Ansaar brought
a package which he could hardly carry in his hand, then another and
another came, until there were two piles, of food and clothing, and I saw
the face of the Messenger of Allaah
(peace and blessings of Allaah
be upon him) beaming with joy. The Messenger of Allaah
(peace
and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts a good thing in
Islam will have his own reward and a reward equal to that of those who
follow him, without it detracting in the least from their reward, and whoever
starts a bad thing in Islam will have to bear the burden of his own sin and a
burden equal to that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the
least from their burden. (Reported by al-Nisaa'i in al-Mujtaba: Kitaab al-Zakaat, Bab
al-Tahreed 'ala al-Sadaqah).
From the context of the story, it is clear that what is meant by the words
"whoever starts a good thing (sunnah hasanah) in Islam" means: Whoever
revives a part of the Sunnah of the Prophet
(peace and blessings of
Allaah be upon him), or teaches it to others, or commands others to follow
it, or acts according to it so that others see him or hear about it and follow
his example. This is also indicated by the hadeeth narrated by Abu
Hurayrah, may Allaah be pleased with him, who said: "A man came to the
Prophet
(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and he urged
the people to give him charity. A man said: 'I have such-and-such,' and
there was no person left in the gathering who did not give something in
charity to him, whether it was a large amount or a little. The Messenger of
Allaah
(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever
starts something good, and others follow his lead, will have a complete
reward and a reward like that of those who followed him, without it
detracting in the least from their reward. Whoever starts something bad,
and others follow his lead, will bear a complete burden of sin, and a burden
like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from
their burden. (Reported by Ibn Maaajah in al-Sunan, no. 204)
It should be clear from the above, with no room for doubt, that the Prophet
(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was not allowing
innovation in matters of deen (religion), nor was he opening the door to
what some people call "bid'ah hasanah," for the following reasons:
The Prophet
(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)
stated repeatedly that: "Every newly-invented thing is a bid'ah
(innovation), every bid'ah is a going astray, and every going astray will
be in the Fire." (Reported by al-Nisaa'i in al-Sunan, Salaat al-'Eedayn,
Baab kayfa al-Khutbah). Reports with the same meaning were
narrated via Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) by Ahmad, via
al-'Irbaad ibn Saariyah by Abu Dawud and via Ibn Mas'ood (may
Allaah be pleased with him) by Ibn Maajah.
The Prophet
(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)
used to say, when beginning a khutbah (sermon): "… The best of
speech is the Book of Allaah and the best of guidance is the guidance
of Muhammad. The worst of things are those which are
newly-invented, and every innovation is a going astray…" (reported by
Muslim, no. 867)
http://islamqa.info/en/ref/864
Should Taraweeh prayer be offered individually or in congregation? Is completing the Qur’aan in Ramadaan bid’ah?
I have heard from some people that it is recommended to pray taraweeh indivually as the prophet preyed it individually except 3 times, is this true? I also heard that it is a bid'ah to recite the whole Quran during taraweeh in ramadan as the prophet never did this, is this true.
Praise be to Allaah.
Firstly:
It is prescribed to offer the night prayers in Ramadaan in congregation or individually, but it is better to do it in congregation than to do it individually. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) led his companions in offering these prayers in congregation on several nights.
It is proven in al-Saheehayn that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) led his companions in prayer (Taraweeh) for several nights, then on the third or fourth night he did not come out to them. When morning came he said: “Nothing prevented me from coming out to you except the fact that I feared that it would be made obligatory for you.”
Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1129. According to the version narrated by Muslim (761): “But I feared that night prayers would be made obligatory for you and you would not be able to do them.”
Offering Taraweeh prayer in congregation is something that is established by the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stated the reason why he did not persist in offering this prayer in congregation, which is that he feared that it might be made obligatory. This reason cased to be applicable after the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) died, because when he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) died, the wahy (revelation) ceased and there was no longer any worry that it might be made obligatory. Once the reason, which was the fear of it being made obligatory, disappeared with the cessation of the wahy, then the fact that it is Sunnah to offer this prayer in congregation resumed.
See al-Sharh al-Mumti’ by Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, 4/78.
Imam Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
This indicates that praying qiyaam in Ramadaan is one of the Sunnahs of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and is recommended and encouraged. It was not introduced by ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab, rather he revived something that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) loved and approved of. Nothing stopped him from doing it regularly except the fear that it might be made obligatory upon his ummah. He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was kind and compassionate towards his ummah. ‘Umar knew from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) that the obligatory duties would not be increased or decreased after his death (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), so he revived this practice and enjoined it upon the people. That happened in 14 AH, and ‘Umar has the honour of being the one who revived this Sunnah.
Al-Tamheed, 8/108, 109
After the death of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) prayed Taraweeh in small groups and individually, until ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) united them behind a single imam.
It was narrated that ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn ‘Abd al-Qaari’ said: I went out with ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) one night in Ramadaan to the mosque, and the people were scattered, with one man praying by himself and another with a group of men following his prayer. ‘Umar said: “I think that if I gather them behind one reader, it will be better.” Then he decided to unite them behind Ubayy ibn Ka’b. Then I went out with him on another night, and the people were praying behind their reader. ‘Umar said: “What a good innovation this is. But the prayer that they forget about and sleep is better than the one they are offering.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1906.
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said, when refuting the view of those who quoted ‘Umar’s words “What a good innovation this is” as meaning that innovation (bid’ah) is permissible:
With regard to qiyaam in Ramadaan, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) introduced this to his ummah, and he led them in prayer for a number of nights, because at his time they used to pray in congregation and individually. But he did not persist in leading them in one congregation, lest that be made obligatory for them. When the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) died, sharee’ah was established (and would not change after that). When ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) became caliph, he united them behind one imam, Ubayy ibn Ka’b, who united the people in one congregation on the orders of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him). ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) was one of the Rightly-Guided Caliphs, of whom the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I urge you to adhere to my Sunnah and the way of the Rightly-Guided Caliphs after me; cling tightly to it.” So what he did was Sunnah but he said, “What a good innovation this is,” because it was an innovation in the linguistic sense, as they were doing something that they had not done during the life of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), i.e., gathering to do this, but it is Sunnah in the shar’i sense.”
Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 22/234, 235
For more information, please see question no. 21740 and 45781
Secondly:
Completing the Qur’aan in Ramadaan, whether during prayer or outside prayer, is something that is praiseworthy. Jibreel (peace be upon him) used to review the Qur’aan with the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) every Ramadaan, and in the Prophet’s last year he reviewed it with him twice.
We have discussed this in the answer to question no. 66504.
And Allaah knows best.
Islam Q&A
I should have known that you were going to hit me with the dreaded cut and paste.
Praying nawaafil, fasting, reading the qur'an, learning about the life of the prophet
, giving charity to the poor, even having a collective meal are all approved acts.
The whole cut and paste hides that it is these same acts that are done on occasions that you consider bid'ah.
These are the approved acts that you try to prevent as "new acts" when in fact they are the old acts.
and no, i wont cut and paste. because for one, i am too lazy to find content to cut and paste (but you may have heard of lipsum...) and secondly I dont need to hide behind cut and paste.
Because the thing you are doing is posting up the opinions of scholars that you approve of. Ofcourse they will say things you want them to say, because that is why you approve of them.
on the other hand you ignore the other scholars who disagreee with you and even ignore ahadith with they are inconvenient such as when you asked "show the prophet
did anything to mark his 
mawlid... but ignore hadith wher the prophet 
mentioned that he fasted on mondays because that is the day he was born..." which shows that if there is evidence that is against what you say, you will simply ignore it, as in that case you were aware of the hadith, knew that the prophet (saw)'s reason was quoted in the hadith itself and still did not find it enough to convince you.
You will also not accept that your definition of bid'ah is wrong and you will not consider the hadith where the prophet
mentioned that those who start a good act and others copy, the originator will be rewarded. You will not use that along with the other hadith about dalaalah to keep everything with nuance and in context as it doesnt fit the understanding you already have. You will only listen to those that support what is already in your mind and if you come across an opinion, no matter if it has proof from the qur''an and sunnah, that doesnt fit your preconcieved notions you will not accept them.
If the sahabah and later generations of the salaf did not come across new situations after the prophet (saw), there would be no ijma or qiyas.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
you cant cut and paste because you have no evidence to use to prove anything, your like those whim and desire followers
apporved acts you cant even give a single hadith to rpove your points what you give is i can give it if i want but wont, this is noting but a excuse to say or delay things because you have no quran or hadith to show your evidence so you use this classic line, like the man who gets beaten in wrestling and says something was in my eye thats why i lost
you say i cut and paste you have nothing to hide, i am cutting and pasting a hadith and its explanation here, adnb you say its only cut and paste, a guy who claims his lvoe for muhammad saw isnt even bothered to read his sayings but prefares to do somefake acts to show their made up love and dont even bother to read his sayings and follow the real thing, you call this love for muhammad saw? you are like those men who buy flowers for their motehr when they know it makes them allergic to it and when asked how on earth is this pleasing your mother theyll say its not about her its because i beleive this love of mine is right and makes me feel good and right this is why i do it, as we can see this love is fake useless and wrong this is how your is regarding this matter
but if you do truly love muhammad saw you will read the full hadith and understand it rather then take only half the hadith and spread lies about it to people frauding them to wrong
Jareer ibn 'Abdullaah al-Bajali (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: "The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts a good thing and is followed by others, will have his own reward and a reward equal to that of those who follow him, without it detracting from their reward in any way. Whoever starts a bad thing and is followed by others, will bear the burden of his own sin and a burden equal to that of those who follow him, without it detracting from their burden in any way.'" (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, no. 2675. He said, This is a saheeh hasan hadeeth)
There is a story behind this hadeeth, which will explain what "whoever starts a good thing" means. Imaam Muslim reported this story from Jareer ibn 'Abdullaah, who also narrated the hadeeth itself. He said: "Some people from the Bedouin came to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), wearing woollen garments. He saw that they were in bad shape and in desperate need, so he urged the people to give them charity. They people were very slow to respond, and it could be seen in his face (that he was upset). Then a man of the Ansaar brought a package of silver, then another came, and another and another, and his face was filled with joy. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts a good thing in Islam, and others do likewise after him, there will be written for him a reward like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their reward. Whoever starts a bad thing in Islam, and others do likewise after him, there will be written for him a burden of sin like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their burden.'" (Reported by Muslim, no. 1017)
Further explanation may be found in a report recorded by al-Nisaa'i, also from Jareer ibn 'Abdullah, may Allaah be pleased with him, who said: "We were with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) early one day, when some people who were almost naked (not dressed properly) and barefoot, with their swords by their sides, came to him. Most, if not all of them, were of (the tribe of) Mudar. The Messenger's face changed when he saw how poor they were (i.e., he became upset). He went into (his house), then he came out and ordered Bilaal to give the call to prayer. He led the people in prayer, then he addressed them, saying: 'O people, "be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person, and from him He created his wife, and from them both he created many men and women, and fear Allaah through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship)" [al-Nisaa' 4:1]. "Fear Allaah, and keep your duty to Him. And let every person look to what he has sent forth for the morrow…" [al-Hashr 59:18].
Let a man give charity from his dinars, his dirhams, his clothing, his wheat or his dates - even if it is only half a date.' A man from the Ansaar brought a package which he could hardly carry in his hand, then another and another came, until there were two piles, of food and clothing, and I saw the face of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) beaming with joy. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts a good thing in Islam will have his own reward and a reward equal to that of those who follow him, without it detracting in the least from their reward, and whoever starts a bad thing in Islam will have to bear the burden of his own sin and a burden equal to that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their burden. (Reported by al-Nisaa'i in al-Mujtaba: Kitaab al-Zakaat, Bab al-Tahreed 'ala al-Sadaqah).
From the context of the story, it is clear that what is meant by the words "whoever starts a good thing (sunnah hasanah) in Islam" means: Whoever revives a part of the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), or teaches it to others, or commands others to follow it, or acts according to it so that others see him or hear about it and follow his example. This is also indicated by the hadeeth narrated by Abu Hurayrah, may Allaah be pleased with him, who said: "A man came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and he urged the people to give him charity. A man said: 'I have such-and-such,' and there was no person left in the gathering who did not give something in charity to him, whether it was a large amount or a little. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts something good, and others follow his lead, will have a complete reward and a reward like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their reward. Whoever starts something bad, and others follow his lead, will bear a complete burden of sin, and a burden like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their burden. (Reported by Ibn Maaajah in al-Sunan, no. 204)
It should be clear from the above, with no room for doubt, that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was not allowing innovation in matters of deen (religion), nor was he opening the door to what some people call "bid'ah hasanah," for the following reasons: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stated repeatedly that: "Every newly-invented thing is a bid'ah (innovation), every bid'ah is a going astray, and every going astray will be in the Fire." (Reported by al-Nisaa'i in al-Sunan, Salaat al-'Eedayn, Baab kayfa al-Khutbah). Reports with the same meaning were narrated via Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) by Ahmad, via al-'Irbaad ibn Saariyah by Abu Dawud and via Ibn Mas'ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) by Ibn Maajah. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to say, when beginning a khutbah (sermon): "… The best of speech is the Book of Allaah and the best of guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. The worst of things are those which are newly-invented, and every innovation is a going astray…" (reported by Muslim, no. 867)
If every bid'ah is a going astray, how can some people then say that there is such a thing in Islam as "bid'ah hasanah"? By Allaah, this is an obvious contradiction of the statement and warning of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stated that whoever innovates something new in the deen (religion) will have his deed rejected, and Allaah will not accept it, as is stated in the hadeeth narrated by 'Aa'ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her), who said: "The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever innovates something in this matter of ours that is not a part of it will have it rejected.'" (Reported by al-Bukhaari, Fath al-Baari, no. 2697). How can anybody then say that bid'ah is acceptable and it is permitted to follow it?
look at you, you cant even be bothered to read a whole hadith and you create this useless mawlid to show some fake love and spread half read wrong knowledge around
im not the one who is fabricating ahdith here by posting only half the hadith and leaving other out, not only that how many times have i exposed you in posting only half of ibn taymiyyah's fatwa out by matching your own selfish agenda, so before you accuse others of things look at yourself
jsut because one or 2 scholars say something doesnt make it right, you say muhammad saw fasted on mondays did he fats on mawlid? was it mawlid he fasted in, he fasted every modays, theirs a big difference between fasting every monday and doing it on the day of mawlid, theirs a big differnece between celebrating mawlid and fasting every moday, so again dont show these weak of excuses of muhammad saw fasting every monday becasue he was born on monday, for thisis not celebrating, celebrating mawlid and fasting every monday are 2 different things no different to how jsut because friday is called eid doesnt mean we treat it like eidul adha in which we go and sacirfice a cow just because its called eid, if rasulullah saw fasted on mondays for a specific reason you do as he does not use that as a excuse to create something new otherwise even i can make a false evidence up friday is called eid therefore we should sacrifice a cow in that day like eiduladha, this would be a innvoation
this shows again creating false definitions of hadith muhammad saw never celebrated on his birth date, he didnt do mawlid, he fasted on moday one of the reason being it being his birth date and the other was quran being revealed that day
It was narrated from Abu Qataadah al-Ansaari that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was
asked about fasting on Mondays. He said: “On that day I was born, and on it the Revelation came to me.” Narrated by Muslim, 1162.
so fasting every monday becasue rasulullah saw being born that day is one thing, but celebrating on mawlid and fasting on mawlid is a completely different issue, what are you gonna do if mawlid is on a firday?
if you were to show evidence from the quran and said that it wouldve been valid
my definition of bidah is based on the 4 imams whos is your based on? the 4 imams used evidence from the quran and hadith your scholars allah knows best where they got it from, so again since my definition of bidah is based on the 4 imams and your saying its wrong, your saying the 4 imams are wrong in their definition, so now you know bidah better hten the 4 imams do, this is what i mean you call your self classical muslim and you cant even quote any classical schoalrs what you quote are a bunch of modern scholars whos understanding of islam is not even half of the 4 imams and scholars before them again if you have some brain cells read the jareer ra hadiht above and see hwat muhammad saw really said, and learn arabic so you can further understad what he rasulullah saw said, but obviously you wont read the hadith in what rasulullah saw really said which is posted above as it will expose you so you are now avoiding the hadith
heres the hadith in simple
Jareer ibn 'Abdullah, may Allaah be pleased with him, who said: "We were with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) early one day, when some people who were almost naked (not dressed properly) and barefoot, with their swords by their sides, came to him. Most, if not all of them, were of (the tribe of) Mudar. The Messenger's face changed when he saw how poor they were (i.e., he became upset). He went into (his house), then he came out and ordered Bilaal to give the call to prayer. He led the people in prayer, then he addressed them, saying: 'O people, "be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person, and from him He created his wife, and from them both he created many men and women, and fear Allaah through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship)" [al-Nisaa' 4:1].
Fear Allaah, and keep your duty to Him. And let every person look to what he has sent forth for the morrow…" [al-Hashr 59:18
Let a man give charity from his dinars, his dirhams, his clothing, his wheat or his dates - even if it is only half a date.' A man from the Ansaar brought a package which he could hardly carry in his hand, then another and another came, until there were two piles, of food and clothing, and I saw the face of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) beaming with joy. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts a good thing in Islam will have his own reward and a reward equal to that of those who follow him, without it detracting in the least from their reward, and whoever starts a bad thing in Islam will have to bear the burden of his own sin and a burden equal to that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their burden. (Reported by al-Nisaa'i in al-Mujtaba: Kitaab al-Zakaat, Bab al-Tahreed 'ala al-Sadaqah
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If the sahabah and later generations of the salaf did not come across new situations after the prophet (saw), there would be no ijma or qiyas.[/quote]
those matters and mawlid are different things
Please can we put an end to this? This so-called debate can go on and on, and on and on, for years on end and maybe till the end of time. It's not going to get anywhere. Both of you have polar views and are unwilling to understand the other view, and atleast say 'yes, i understand where you're coming from but i have my view, you have yours'. No compromise is going to take place so why discuss this in the first place? You've both clearly made your points and backed it up with Hadith and evidence. We know that both of you are capable of giving reasoning to your opinions. It's coming to a point where in my opinion, Hadith are being used in places which aren't even relevant and are just being chucked in here and there. These are the words of the beloved prophet Muhammad (S) and shouldn't be disrespected in such a manner. Why don't we just leave it as it is, and stop slashing each others throats?
Can you please provide ONE place on this site where I have quoted half a hadith or half a verse in order to take it out of context.
One.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
the jareer ra hadith of
The Prophet
approved and stated that when someone does a good act and others copy the original person is rewarded as long as people copy.
what you dont mention in this hadith is that in the hadith muhammad saw saw some poor people and then he told the sahaba ra to give them food zakah etc and they did he then concluded saying whoever starts a good action then if others do it the person who started it will get rewrd it but no you dont mention the first bit and only mention the second half and it creates whole new meaning
now tell me how does this relate to bidah of mawlid
and again i asked for the aisha ra hadith in which you claim she created a new nawfal prayer you still havent shown where you got this hadith from
It relates, though it relates to something related to it even better - gyarwih (11th)
On mawlid you do rewardworthy actions that have been approved of. Like read nawaafil, send salutations upon the prophet (saw), read the qur'an, learn about the prophet (saw).
and that hadith shows you can start an occasion to do a good deed and if people copy it, then the people who are copying it will be rewarded and the originator will be rewarded for their actions.
Now what does that mean? That means that if someone starts communal qur'an reading on say every tuesday, and this becomes a tradition that people follow, then as long as that tradition is followed and people read the qur'an on the tuesday, the person who started that tradition will eb rewarded for it continuing.
Now us people of the ahlusunnah take this a step further and many past people started such traditions, which are in and of themselves good actions and have become adopted by the community as good traditions.
These are all non-compulsory actions, but they follow a tradition, which is the way of the ahlussunnah (which is how we work btw, we are called the ahlus sunnah, not the ahlul hadith as we "copy" the sunnah).
Now take this a step further. A pious person called SHaykh Abdul Qadir al Gilaani used to on the 11th of every month distribute AFAIK sweets/sweet food to the people around him - which in and of itself is a good thing. I suspect he used to do this on the 11th as this is night before the 12th, which according to some narrations is the night of rabbi ul awwal that the prophet
was born.
People liked this good action. They copied it. Now a good action spread and continued for like a thousand years. However then someone went "erm... this isnt in hadith or the qur'an... bid'ah!" ofcourse this view ignores the message of the hadith that when a good action is started and others copy it and it becomes a tradition, then the originator is rewarded as long as the tradition continues.
Now the qur'an tells us to celebrate and proclaim the favours of our Lord. However it does not proscribe limits to this (other than the obvious limits of shariah), so if someone wants to celebrate the birth of the prophet (saw), or even any other good event, they are entitled to do so by the Qur'an - the only limit on this matter is that a person is "permitted" but not forced to as our religion is complete and we cannot add new commands and prohibitions to it.
So yes it is all relevant, and explains how from the start, you are ignoring a very important hadith when it comes to defining bad innovations, as this hadith shows that starting an allowed good act and tradition and forming it into something bigger is not only allowed but rewardworthy.
As for the nafl prayer question, I read things. I do not always intend to argue about something so if I read something interesting, I will note it for myself, but not to reference for others. Now that you are interested in it, if I come across it again, I intend to refer you to it.
However, I see that you aresuggesting that I am a liar in the previous post by suggesting that I made that up... not very nice is it?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
the hadith says a person doing good act, you link with bidah something that is harram, for the ske of argument lets ignore that even then the hadith says good thing, good actions according to islam as rasulullah saw showed in this hadith such as zakah giving food helping the poor etc now how does bidah fit in here
starting a good thing vs creating a new act starting and creating starting something tht is already approved in islam vs creating a whole new thing theirs a big difference between the 2, theirs a big difference between a person starting something to one who is creating a whole new idea
but the fact of the matter here is bidah in religion is harram as muhamamd saw said, so again it doesnt fit in here in any form, as rasulullah saw said start something good and you are creating something bad and spreading it
whichever way you look at it mawlid and bidah do not fit in here
and so that no one can twist things around bidah in religion not the car bidah
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Yusuf is not a good person to link to on matters of aqeedah - you linked to a video once which suggested that considering the prophet
Noor could be shirk as God is Noor but he conveniently forgot that angels are also noor and that is not shirk.
But in order to discuss the Duha prayer, I have created this topic:
http://www.therevival.co.uk/forum/general/10741
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
According to Shaykh Nuh Ha Mim Keller:
If you want to see some specific quotes from Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, you can read the whole thing here: http://www.therevival.co.uk/static/articles/bidah.php
However, even though I have produced a quote from a scholar which counters your view and quoted a book that is not recent, I still do not expect you to change your ways.
Because you have views from your scholars that you like and you will stick by them, even though other scholars provide an alternative view which counters yours.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
again i come back to the point if person does all those good acts and does more sunnha nawfal on a day and calling it the third fourth fifth eid will it be valid no for that event or celebration itself is harram so by him doing good and attributing to the 3rd 4th 5th eid it will not make that event valid for the concept of doing that is harram to start with, the problem is not doing the sunnah or nawfal acts, the problem is why you are doing these acts, and the problem here is doing it for a celebration that is not permitted to do to start with
again i say if a peson creates a new celebration like eid will it be valid?
you used a good example of the gathering my question to you is did muhammad saw have gatherings? answer is yes, did the sahaba ra then go on to to that yes, so the point is gathering and doing good action is something already part of the sunnah, so the example you used is 100 percent correct i agree , its a brilliant act to do, as this is not a new innovation it is part of the sunnah and that person revived it and other people are now joining in
but again mawlid doesnt fit in here the example you used fits in with that hadith but the mawlid scenario doesnt as mawlid fits in with another hadith the hadith of it being a bidah and wrong
in regard to the first action of the great scholar i wont make any comments,
every muslim makes mistake, their were flaws in some of my views last year which i have now corrected and understood better, sometimes we make mistakes, so to use a scholars mistakes to prove us right isnt valid
to this id like say sheikh abdul qadir jillani was a great scholar, and like every scholars the very few minor errors he made makes no affect on him as i said not every view of ibn kathir will be correct or ibn taymiyyah, but this has to be judged by checking the evidence they used for that very action they did and based it upon not simply they did it so its correct
the exaplantion of abu hanifh rh on the hadith on bidah will be better then the modern scholar of today becasue he studied under people who learned directly from the sahaba ra
again brother read what it says starting a good act, not creating a good act, you need to know the difference between starting something already part of the religion to creating something new and adding it and spreading that
so according to you in india peple touch their parnts feat are you trying to say since thats good a person should now innovate that into the religion of islam? people their have now added this on the day of eid claiming it is part of eid so again according to you this is allowed, then tomorrow they will create a brand new eid salah and this too will be ok to you for whts wrong its salah islam permits salah so whats wrong with getting a new one it is not fardh sunnah or nawfal its just new one oh yeah you already accept creating new salah how could i forget that your claim of aisha ra youve gone to the level of creating new nawfal salah so im guessing you are in the plans of creating a new fast now, or have you already created a second hajj and launching it next year but this hajj its not fardh sunnah its nawfal
whats the matter you dont even like sharing the hadith of muhammad saw with your brother, why are you hiding it, you just want to keep it yourself is that it
our teachers teach us even if we learn the hadith about miswak share it with everyone, if we learn hadith on how to become a muslim stil lgo share it and tell them where we got it from so they themselves can see it and learn further and here you are you keep things to yourself dont want others to know, if their is a hadith of this then it will be a great benefit to us and it will be a strong arguement for you with everything you have been saying, but if you fail to prove it then again your jsut putting yourself into a mess
if someone asks you for a hadith and you hide it like that loser tahirul qadri does then natrually that will be the first thought
so why dont you share it with us
angels and human are 2 different types of creation can jinn be light? no
for its
human clay jinn fire angels light
i believe the quran makes that very simple and clear
You ignore that he called a concept shikr because "God was Noor" while ignoring that angels are also Noor.
We have been around the argument about the prophet
before and I have no intention of rehashing it but calling something shirk is often a serious allegation, and when people throw the accusation about, it lessens the speakers credibility especially when the argument is flawed.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Or it shows we have different understanding of the hadith. My understanding is shared by the scholar I quoted who quoted a book new written recently in support of the view, especially as the scholar goes back to primary sources.
Now you dont and you support the views of other scholars that I am less favourable about.
Its like a standoff. your views are not your own but of your favoured scholars.
My views are also those of scholars I am a fan of.
We both think we are following the sunnah in the best way.
Except you want toargue about scholarly matters without being a scholar and you reject any explanation that is not your favoured explanation.
I have shown how the hadith shows a different world than yours, but you will never accept it, even though many Muslims around the world have accepted that view for centuries.
But you want to debate, but debate with closed ears and brain.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Got on your nerves that you have started to insult scholars that are not being discussed in this topic?
and I linked to the topic onthe matter. Hree, have another link:
http://www.therevival.co.uk/forum/general/10741
and no, its not a mater of hiding.
its the matter of not being a scholar, nor having all references to hand. I cant reference every single thing I have ever read through some link on the net.
I have refrained from insulting your scholars even when they have failed in logic eg when suggesting that the possibility of the prophet
being Noor is shirk as God is Noor, while ignoring that angels are also Noor. Now that is a logic failure. I still have not called him a loser or anything, he is a convert and I am sure he is extremely knowledgeable. But on this topic, I cannot support his stance as the evidence is againt him.
I have been generous by stating all along that there are scholars that both sides of the argument will quote an both sides will use evidence for their views. I have told you that neither side will budge as we both trust our scholars more than the other side and we both think out arguments and views and supported by qur'an and sunnah.
So all you are doing it throwing about mud as you will not accept a different view as its not one that your favoured scholars hold and if you are put into a position when the evidence the other way is overwhelming you will be of the opinions that your scholars know better and they would have considered that while getting to their opinions.
So in essense you want a scholarly debate without scholarship. It's a bad idea.
Throw about insults insulting scholars and I am sure you will be banned.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
in the thread of salatul duha your about to find out why i told you not to hide it its not becuse you got on my nerve as you are now about to find out why , let that be a lesson to you and me
for me to stay calm and for you you well you know better then me what you can lern from that experiance
you can insult them all you like, like allah will judge me for that he allah will judge you for that aswell
during the time of ali ra sahaba ra stayed in the middle regarding ali ra and muawiyyanh ra dispute, however when he ali ra died they regretted for staying in the middle was a bad and wrong decision showing arguments from all sides regarding a wrong is not mercyfull it is a wrong decision no matter how you look at it whether its through mistake or not
well if i get banned i done my bit here atleast you have finally learned something from me the salatul duha info
so your in the view of a third 4th and 5th eid being allowed to be created?
You cannot add a new command and you cannot add a new prohibition.
Using the word eid for a new event that is regularly occurring is not a problem in itself. However, it will also not hold the same commandment of the 2 eids that are proscribed.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
if that is your view then your view regarding bidah is fully flawed for you have gone to the level of the sufi i met who said he beleives in 6th times salah not 5 and 7 is ok
and that if someone did a second hajj then that is no problem
and keep it simple you know what i meant when i said like the 2 eids, if i meant it in that id make sure eveyone understand it
Hajj is at one time of the year and this is specificed through the Qur'an and sunnah (and those that went at times other than proscribed did umrah instead). This is mixing up the issue as you are adding allowing a new commandment or adding a new prohibition if you suggest that hajj can be done at different times of the year.
Mawlid is different as not only is it not adding a new commandment or prohibition, but because there is also basis for it in qur'an and sunnah - the hadith that you have quoted before and the verse of the qur'an where God sends peace upon another messenger on the day of his (as) birth and on the day of his (as) death along with the verse that tells us to proclaim the favours of our Lord.
That you do not see a difference doesnt mean that others dont. If that wasnt the case there would only be one opinion ever on any matter.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
the quran and sunnha also says theirs only 2 yearly eids and 1 weekly which part of these beign the only ones we cann accepth by allah and his messneger saw dont you udnerstand, when ti comes yo hajj all of a sudden its once year base don quran and sunnah, waht about eid what is that based on the air, it too is based on quran and sunnah only 2 year and 1 weekly, what is so hard to understant about this
what is eid, that too has been reveled by the command of allah it wasnt created by people like mawlid had it was revealed by allah, hajj has been revealed by allah, tahajjud has been revealed by allah, loving and respecting parents has been revealed by allah, 5 times a day salah has been revealed by allah
like those muhamamd saw said allah has given us the 2 eids to celebrate so only celebrte these and you claim its allowed to make a third 4th one as long as it doenst contain the same attributes, ok then i'll create a new eid in which we will sacrifice a ship to celebrate the creation of aadam as or have you already created one of those
now let see mawlid, a new yearly event which muahmmad saw clearly said harram because we have only 2 yearly events yet you added a third, so how is that not going against the order of allah and his messenger saw, you can see it with hajj but not mawlid
their is no bas eof mawlid in either quran or hadith for mawlid every false evidence used has been refuted like i did with your evidence of muhammad saw fasting evvery monday
the verse of that i have also refuted, allah sends blessing to every new born baby so are you gonna celebtrate their birthdays every year to get the blessing of allah no for these are 2 completely different issue, allah sending peace to muhammad saw ont he day he was born is a different issue to you celebrating it,
allah also send khadija ra sallam so what you gonna do now "quran says celebrate his blessing" are you gonna create a celebration for that aswell, allah sends blessing to fruits food trees in quran and since allah says celebrate his creation and blessing are you gonna do a mawlid for a tree, you are gonna celebrate the plant you planted in your garden every year becuse quranm says so, see how flawed and senseless your view is, lets not forget lying about allah
just because you udnerstand the quran doesnt mean others do
last example if allahs end sallam to muhammad saw then aadam as here got a even better treatment the angels bowed down to him, now if i use that to create a new celebration will that be valid no for this is a completely different issue to celebrating it, this is how mawlid is allah sent sallam so what what his this got to do with celebrating it its 2 completely differnt issue
and muhamamd saw more of all said it is harram to innvoate things whether its another eid as he mentioned in the hadith we have 2 yearly eids now so celebrate them only, followed by not innvoating anything in this religion so your view is obviously based on nothing like the shias
Erm... "only" is your words, not the qur'an and sunnah. The prophet (saw)'s words on the other hand also refer to fridays.
Hajj is specific and it cannot be altered.
Sajdah was allowed before Islam but Islam brought i to an end. It does not back your point as other things weer also allowed, such as drinking alcohol, but then these were banned.
Only uoir understanding of a hadith which ignores other ahadith, actions of the sahabahs in the time of the prophet
and after, and the actions of the salaf and later generations.
Some innovations, ie those adding commandments or prohibition to religion are not allowed. Like adding a 6th fardh prayer, adding another fardh fast, making something haraam which is not haraam in the qur'an and sunnah.
In other words, the bid'ah is now mawlid, but prohibitting it. as celebrating it is not compulsory so it does not add compulsion and is acting on the qur'an and sunnah, while forbidding it is adding a new prohibition, which is adding to religion. So I would suggest your ways are the way of bid'ah.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Now, there are a great number of hadiths, most of them in the rigorously authenticated (sahih) collections, showing that many of the prophetic Companions initiated new acts, forms of invocation (dhikr), supplications (dua), and so on, that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) had never previously done or ordered to be done. Rather, the Companions did them because of their inference and conviction that such acts were of the good that Islam and the Prophet of Islam came with and in general terms urged the like of to be done, in accordance with the word of Allah Most High in Surat al-Hajj,
"And do the good, that haply you may succeed" (Koran 22:77),
and the hadith of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace),
"He who inaugurates a good sunna in Islam earns the reward of it and all who perform it after him without diminishing their own rewards in the slightest."
Though the original context of the hadith was giving charity, the interpretative principle established by the scholarly consensus (def: Reliance of the Traveller b7) of specialists in fundamentals of Sacred Law is that the point of primary texts lies in the generality of their lexical significance, not the specificity of their historical context, without this implying that just anyone may make provisions in the Sacred Law, for Islam is defined by principles and criteria, such that whatever one initiates as a sunna must be subject to its rules, strictures, and primary textual evidence.
Quotes from http://www.therevival.co.uk/static/articles/bidah.php
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Bukhari and Muslim relate that Rifa'a ibn Rafi said, "When we were praying behind the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) and he raised his head from bowing and said , "Allah hears whoever praises Him", a man behind him said, "Our Lord, Yours is the praise, abundantly, wholesomely, and blessedly therein." When he rose to leave, the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) asked "who said it", and when the man replied that it was he, the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, "I saw thirty-odd angels each striving to be the one to write it." Ibn Hajar says in Fath al-Bari that the hadith indicates the permissibility of initiating new expressions of dhikr in the prayer other than the ones related through hadith texts, as long as they do not contradict those conveyed by the hadith [since the above words were a mere enhancement and addendum to the known, sunna dhikr].
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
eid is also specific
The Muslims have no festivals apart from Eid al-Fitr and Eid al-Adhaa, because of the hadeeth narrated from Anas (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came to Madeenah and the people had two days when they would play and have fun. He said, ‘What are these two days?’ They said, ‘We used to play and have fun on these days during the Jaahiliyyah. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, ‘Allaah has given you something better than them, the day of Adhaa and the day of Fitr.’”
(Sunan Abi Dawood, 1134)
These two Eids are among the signs or symbols of Allaah which we must celebrate and understand the aims and meanings behind them.
There follows a discussion of some of the rulings and manners of the two Eids according to Islamic sharee’ah
Shaikh Ahmad Abdur-Rahmaan al-Banaa said: “This is because the two days, the day of Fitr and of Nahr are from the legislation of Allah, the Most High, His choice for His creation and because they succeed the performance of two great pillars of Islam, which are Hajj and Fasting. In them, Allah forgives the pilgrims and those who fast, and spreads His Mercy over all His obedient creation. As for the days of Nairooz and Mahrajaan, then they were chosen by the wise men of that era, either because of the mildness of the climate and season or because of other transitory virtues. Thus, the difference between them is clear for those who contemplate.” [Fath ur-Rabaanee (6/119)]
so these are the words of muhammad saw 2 eid a year friday is different type of eid it is weekly and has different attributes
so muhammad saw rejected the bidah of another celebration
and you mawlid is worse then the ones muhammad saw rejected for that is a copy of christman even worse
for someone ho openly follows and legalizes a bidah calling others that doesnt fit and as i mentioned your tisting of hadith has been exposed again
read the link i posted on other threads regarding sahaba ra "innovating"
http://ahlusunnahwaljamaah.com/2011/01/02/a-critcal-look-at-some-hadith-...
same point refuted
http://ahlusunnahwaljamaah.com/2011/01/02/a-critcal-look-at-some-hadith-...
as for the hadith again here is what the hadith states
The
Messenger of Allaah
(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)
said: 'Whoever starts a good thing and is followed by others, will have his
own reward and a reward equal to that of those who follow him
tell me where does it say whoever innovated a new sunnah or innovates a new thing in the religion of islam, it says starts a good thing,
now youve been to school, or infact get a primary school kid and ask that kid hat does a start a ne thing mean and innovate/create a new thing mean
this is simple english it doesnt use advanced words simple
again this shows your twisting of hadith for the hadith is not saying innovating infact innovation doesnt even come in here, it says starts a good thing
and its quite obvious other then innovated scholars/sufis no one agrees with your view
as i mentioned who will understand this better ones ho learnt from the sahaba ra or scholars who learnt from books that contradict islam
as i mentioned stop lying about the hadith
http://islamqa.info/en/ref/864
for no top scholars of this religion accept your ways no different to how they rejected shia and khawarij views
and why are you lying for infact your article is 10 times worse you got it from here all sufis use the same things
http://www.sunnah.org/fiqh/usul/bida.htm
first of all the hadith has been fabricated badly, the hadith says whoever starts a good... not who ever starts a new sunnah or innvoation you got a copy of those hadith books get it out and read it, dont you feel ashamed hen you twist misquote change the ordings of a hadith?
is this your love of muhammad saw? lying about him changing his actual speeches with lies
this is the real hadith from muslim no tell me does it say the hadith like your link did or does it say the way i told you
http://www.sahihmuslim.com/sps/smm/
and anyay this link i gave you is a direct refutation fo the article you used and its evidences
http://ahlusunnahwaljamaah.com/2011/01/02/a-critcal-look-at-some-hadith-...
and again the quran says
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا ارْكَعُوا وَاسْجُدُوا وَاعْبُدُوا رَبَّكُمْ وَافْعَلُوا الْخَيْرَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ
O you who have believed, bow and prostrate and worship your Lord and do good - that you may succeed. 22:77
not
"And do the good, that haply you may succeed" (Koran 22:77),
the one you posted doesnt fully come with original meaning allah gave
first of all theirs 2 ibn hajar hich one are you reffering to full name
second again tis the same thing this as done before the verse of the quran this religion has been complete came and again i mentioned the same thing in other posts so no point of replying but as a conclusion to this new point of yours again
http://ahlusunnahwaljamaah.com/2011/01/02/a-critcal-look-at-some-hadith-...
However what the Sufis do not understand is that even though these
acts of worship where done by these sahaba before receiving the approval
from Allah and His Messenger these acts can still not be called bidah
for a number of very important reasons.
1. The first reason is because bidah is only what is done after the
prophet’s death. While the prophet was alive and the shariah was not
complete it would be impossible for the sahaba to do what we call bidah
in the shariah, as the shariah was not even complete. Because in the
prophets time the shariah was not complete and bidah is only that which
occurs after his death hence the prophets warning about bidah only
refer to after the shariah had been completed (after his death). This is
why the sahaba knew that some of their own ijtihad could turn into the
Shariah if approved by Quran and/or Sunnah. As they understood the
prophets warning against bidah only referred to after his death.
For instance in one hadeeth the prophet clarified that his warnings about bidah refer to after his death. The prophet said “…Those of you who live long after me will see a lot of differences…”
these differences occurred after the prophet’s death and they were due
to bidah. All the groups of Ahlu bidah (people of innovation) came out
after the prophet’s death. This is why in the same hadeeth the prophet
told the sahaba to hold fast to his Sunnah and the Rightly-Guided
Caliphs Sunnah after his death, so they (the sahaba) could avoid falling
into these differences (these bidahs). In this hadeeth he indicated
that these differences would happen after his death, this why the
prophet said “those of you who live long after”. The
prophet said, “…so hold fast to my Sunnah and to the Sunnah of the
Rightly-Guided Caliphs after me. Cling to it tightly and beware of
newly-invented matters, for every newly invented matter is an
innovation, and every innovation is misguidance, and all misguidance is
in the Fire.” [Related by Aboo Daawood, at-Tirmidhee. Graded as Saheeh by Ibn Hajr and Ibn Taymiyyah.]
as you can see here stated by ibn taymiyyah and ibn hajar
so which ibn hajar
anf to conclude before hijaab as revealed umar ra once said to the ives of muhammad sa to cover themselves but they disagreed, so allah then revealed in the quran they have to, again does this mean umar ra innvoated the concept of hijaab?
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