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abualabbasassaffah7 wrote:

If you say yes, I will ask you to show this in all your posts on this

site. I would like atleast one post of yours encouraging following this

hadith where the prophet specifies that he fasted on mondays and specified because it was the day he was born.

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you dont need to do that, were not friends so dont act like it

 

i sounded harsh in that post, now that i told you my view do what ever you want with that post so long as you dont twist it about

 

erm...

i believe i made this clear form my very first post either you didnt read it or missed it

I must have missed it. Please repeat your views (not a cut and paste from elsewhere, because i suspect you will cut and paste and if you cut and paste what I suppose you will, I find that cut and paste very flawed).

It was narrated from Abu Qataadah al-Ansaari that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was
asked about fasting on Mondays. He said: “On that day I was born, and on it the Revelation came to me.” Narrated by Muslim, 1162.

this is my view it cant be any easier to explain it then the words of muhammad saw

to get more in depth i beleive a person can fast on mondays for the intention of fasting because of the reason muhammad saw stated, quran revelation and because he was born on that day and to follow him in doing this sunnah, i dont beleive this is a evidence to show you can celebrate it for celebrating and fasting are 2 different thigns no different to how fasting and salah are 2 different things

so is that clear or do i have to give a more detailed explanation of my view

so you agree that we can fast with the intention of mawlid?

I see that you will stopped short of encouraging people to act on this sunnah.

I have not seen you tell people to fast as much on mondays as I have seen you tell people not to do ibadat, not to read nafl, not to do dua or dhikr etc.

Moving on...

1. Do you accept the verse that says the prophet was not sent but as a mercy to mankind?

2. Do you accept the verse that tells us to tell others the favours and mercies that have been given to us by God and to celebrate?

If so, I dont see why you get a knot in your stomach over the use of the word celebrate in this context. It is in compliance with the above two words as long as in the celebration nothing is done that contradicts the qur'an and sunnah.

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so you agree that we can fast with the intention of mawlid?

I see that you will stopped short of encouraging people to act on this sunnah.

I have not seen you tell people to fast as much on mondays as I have seen you tell people not to do ibadat, not to read nafl, not to do dua or dhikr etc.

Moving on...

1. Do you accept the verse that says the prophet was not sent but as a mercy to mankind?

2. Do you accept the verse that tells us to tell others the favours and mercies that have been given to us by God and to celebrate?

If so, I dont see why you get a knot in your stomach over the use of the word celebrate in this context. It is in compliance with the above two words as long as in the celebration nothing is done that contradicts the qur'an and sunnah.

not mawlid for in todays time mawlid reffers to the celebration

fast because the propet saw did so for the reason of the quran being revealed and because he was born that day, not just one of the reason like you seem to do it, muhammad saw did it for 2  reasons not just one, if i fast on mondays its because muhammad saw did and  because of the reasons stated which is as mentioned so we too have to do it for those reasons he stated both of them not just one

when fasting monday you dont need to say i am fasting for so and so you just do it

i havent told the people here to pray salah either doesnt mean i dont want them to or because of whatever reason you are trying  to take it to and salah is more superior then monday fast by a long way

you dont learn your lessons do you as you love making a fool out of yourself

so tell me when did i tell people not to do ibadah nawfal dua or dhikr or did i say dont do those which are not from islam but do thsoe which are such as dont do the sufi hu hu hu chant but do the dhikr rasulullahs aw did the famous subhanallah alhamdulillah and allahakbar dhikr after salah, do nawfal like salatul duha because muhamamd saw did it not because you think its a bidah like you did and do dua the right way not the wrong way and lastly do ibadah the right way not the wrong way gain knowledgge on it first and the do it you want me to gey my past pots on this. naaaaaaaahhhhh cause i;ll get the same reply

"i forgot, i didnt read it, i didnt notice it, it was too long" is their any other excuses of yours i messed out if i did write it down

yes i do so were the other prophets, our parents and family members islam was aswell

again i say does the mean you should do milad e tree milad e plant milad e fruit water etc

now why is it you simply show anger when i say this is it because

you have nor reply to this

you cant take the truth cant change your ways so you get angry

the truth hurts

why, it is obvious the verse doesnt mean celebrate in that sense, otherwise why reject the food fruit celebration and make it only exclusive to muhammad saw, why get angry when used that verse in food and fruits water

so again do you do eid water eid food eid fruits eid tree eid plant do you do those since you can use that verse to clebrate anythign

valentines is coming up you plan to celebrate that with your wife aswell or atleast are you against that sicne you love christmas aswell based on that joker tahirul qadri and suhaib webb view

Praise be to Allaah, the Lord of the Worlds, and peace and blessings be upon his truthful Prophet. 

Firstly, how can there be any such thing as bid’ah hasanah (“good innovation”) when the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Every bid’ah is a going astray and every going astray is in Hell-fire”.  So, if anyone says that there is such a thing as bid’ah hasanah, he can only be insisting on going against the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). 

Secondly, saying “al-hamdu Lillaah… (praise be to Allaah…) when coming out of rukoo’ is a well-known phrase of dhikr which is proven in sound ahaadeeth reported from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). All that this Sahaabi did was to come up with a new phrase expressing praise to Allaah. How can this be used as evidence to support innovations in worship and dhikr that have no basis in the sources of Islam? 

Thirdly, what this Sahaabi did cannot be taken as evidence in and of itself. It was not even considered to have been a correct action until after the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had approved it, and not before. But how on earth could this innovator obtain the approval of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) after he has passed away?" 

Fourthly, if we accept the use of this report as evidence, it is still no more than an isolated incident which cannot be generalized, whereas the hadeeth “every bid’ah is a going astray” is clearly a general statement. It is a well-known principle among the ‘ulamaa’ (scholars) that what is stated clearly takes precedence over what is merely implied. 

Fifthly, how can we know what is good or not with our limited minds alone and without the input of Revelation? Is there not the possibility of differences of opinion? What one person sees as good will be seen differently by another, so what would the standard be? Whose reasoning could we rely on or refer to? Would this not be confusion, even anarchy itself? 

Sixthly (which confirms the third point made above), when the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) approved of an act of worship or a dhikr (remembrance of Allaah) on the part of one of his Sahaabah, it would thus become a part of sharee’ah and hence be regarded as a sunnah hasanah. But with the death of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and the ceasing of Revelation, how can we know whether innovated acts of worship or dhikr are correct or would be approved? We have no way of knowing, so we should limit ourselves only to the forms of worship that have been narrated in sound reports. 

The great scholar al-Haafiz ibn Hijr (may Allaah have mercy on him) narrated many comments by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah in Fath al-Baari; he agreed with some and disagreed with others. This is the business of the scholars: they discuss and debate with one another, with the aim of reaching the truth – which may lie with the one who is disagreeing or with the one whose opinion is being criticized. As for the unpleasant comment quoted in the question, from what we know of Ibn Hijr (may Allaah have mercy on him) and his good manners, fear of Allaah, awareness of the value of knowledge and respect for the scholars, we are sure that this comment is a fabrication. May Allaah forgive all the scholars and reward them for their efforts and concern.

I see how you love doing long cut and pastes.

Firstly, how can there be any such thing as bid’ah hasanah (“good innovation”) when the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Every bid’ah is a going astray and every going astray is in Hell-fire”. So, if anyone says that there is such a thing as bid’ah hasanah, he can only be insisting on going against the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

I assume you disagree with Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah when he called some things only Bid'ah Lughwiyah (bid'ah in the literal sense only)?

If not, the whole argument is bogus.

If you stick to that you must also consider the sucession of the caliphs bid'ah, the establishment of the jamaah on annightly basis oft aravih bid'ah, the imposition of import duties bid'ah, the change of tax code ion Mesopotamia bid'ah, the use of advanced weaponry.

Because what you quote in the way you quote it has no limits so how dare later on people pretend that some bid'ahs are allowed because they are either necessary or can be twisted to argue that they aer not religious acts -even though Islam is a way of life and there is even religious ettiquette about how you walk and talk!

So tell me you think Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah is wrong. You will also have to say that the salaf are wrong too, as their actions are also not in accordance with your post. because as you said, all bid'ah iis a going astray and every going astray is in Hell-fire.

That would include compiling the Qur'an into a single mushaaf, banning other dialects etc. These are religious matters.

Then there was Imam Hassan giving away his title of caliph. This had never been done before and an amirul mu'mineen giving up his position was a new thing, a new bid'ah and since it was about the position of amirul mu'mineen, it was a religious matter. but it united the ummah.

Then there is stuff you support such as modern weaponry.

However you ignore all that when you post things like which I quoted. Your post ignores the history during the life of the prophet, the sahabahs and the salaf. I will suggest that they understood the concepts better than either of us and if they were able to do new things, then that says something.

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I see how you love doing long cut and pastes.

Firstly, how can there be any such thing as bid’ah hasanah (“good innovation”) when the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Every bid’ah is a going astray and every going astray is in Hell-fire”. So, if anyone says that there is such a thing as bid’ah hasanah, he can only be insisting on going against the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

I assume you disagree with Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah when he called some things only Bid'ah Lughwiyah (bid'ah in the literal sense only)?

i thought you follow muhammad saw not others, so when his hadith says all  bidah is harram you decide to ignore his ahdith and use other means instead, again what happened to your logic the words of imam shafi and umar ra cant be changed, now is ay to you whats the amtter the words of muhammad saw cant be changed so why ignore him now and follow others instead, are you triyng to say muhammad saw is wrong and imam shafi and umar ra are right, the knwo the religion better then muhammad saw, and this view of umar ra and imam shafi that you twisted and change the meaning of

so where is your lvoe for muhammad saw now, you dont take his words and take the words of imam shafi instead

as i said fakes

and how about showing those quotes of ibn taymiyyah, we dont want ibn taymiyyah did this and that showed this and that, i caught you out once fabricating ibn taymiyyahs view of mawlid cutting and pasting some bits and yet leaving some bits out so how about showing this view of ibn taymiyyah from his book

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If not, the whole argument is bogus.

your whole view from aqeedah to hadith to scholars statement is flawed

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If you stick to that you must also consider the sucession of the caliphs bid'ah, the establishment of the jamaah on annightly basis oft aravih bid'ah, the imposition of import duties bid'ah, the change of tax code ion Mesopotamia bid'ah, the use of advanced weaponry.

again your stupidity is flowing all over you, fakes and ignorant what a combination you have in you

muhammad saw said in hadith after him calipha should be used

hadith of muhammad saw saying tarawih in jamaah is better, he isnt doing this because of fear of obligatory or he wouldve continued doing it exists

creating new weapans is not bidah in religion but a general bidah, it is not in religion, islam doest limit the weapan used in jihad does it or the location used country to be fought, it has rulings on things like dont kill women and children elderly, if someone changes this then the it is bidah, understand now?

so again we have things you said which hadith exist on and call ti bidah, you have stooped so low you are now calling muhammad saw bidah by calling his sunnah bidah, how low will you get

</p> <p>Because what you quote in the way you quote it has no limits so how dare later on people pretend that some bid&#39;ahs are allowed because they are either necessary or can be twisted to argue that they aer not religious acts -even though Islam is a way of life and there is even religious ettiquette about how you walk and talk! [quote]</p> <p>theirs a difference between bidah of car and bidah in the religion toobad neither you or your people have the brain to understand this, wearing new clothes is bidah for they didnt exist in muhammad saw time, but clothes is not a bidah in religion its a general bidah, but if a person claim harram clothes to be halal then this is a bidah in religion, ahve you udnerstood or do i need to give you more example</p> <p>[quote wrote:

So tell me you think Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah is wrong. You will also have to say that the salaf are wrong too, as their actions are also not in accordance with your post. because as you said, all bid'ah iis a going astray and every going astray is in Hell-fire.

wrong regarding what show his exact texts, for someone who can cut and paste his work and leave bits out to prove their point cannot be trusted, such as ibn taymiyyah said although good things are done in mawlid like reading quran it is still wrong, but you leave the wrong bit out and only post the other bit, so again your reference are never trustable for  when you get caught out all of a sudden you were not aware of it, or decide to ignore the whole thing all together

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That would include compiling the Qur'an into a single mushaaf, banning other dialects etc. These are religious matters.

when muhammad saw was alvie quran was written on bones, so this shows muhammad saw allwoed quran to be written down, now book si better then bones, so again hwo is this bidah? sahaba ra wrote quran on boines, some wrote it in elaves, otehrs in dfferent palces which shows so long as its good thing quran can be writted down in anythignas muhammad saw allowed it, so again how is this a bidah when muhammad saw allowed?

when quran was revealed 7 different readin style was then revelaed through jibrail as, so again according to quran and sunnah only these 7 styles can be used, using any other forms is the bidah, so how ow earth is what you saying bidah? when only 7 syles is allowed how is banning the other ways bidah, the bidah is introducing mroe styles not the oppsite again what are you talkinga bout, give me your pirs phone number or eamil address so i can tell him to teach you some improtant thing sin islam other then hu hu chants and other nonsense they teach you not part of islam

Ibn ‘Abbaas who narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Jibreel taught me one style and I reviewed it until he taught me more, and I kept asking him for more and he gave me more until finally there were seven styles.”

(narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3047; Muslim, 819)

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Then there was Imam Hassan giving away his title of caliph. This had never been done before and an amirul mu'mineen giving up his position was a new thing, a new bid'ah and since it was about the position of amirul mu'mineen, it was a religious matter. but it united the ummah.

hasan ra gave his claiphate away fro peace and to stop blood shed as  the shias betrayed him so the single battle he wante dto fight with muawiyyah ra to finish him off couldnt be done because it would now turn itno a war with lack of men in his army so for peae he gave it away, this is no bidah in religion, new thing is different from bidah again let me spell it out for you

when you got your salatul duha all wrong i showed you the corect information of salatul duha to you, for you it was  a new thing, so is alatul duha a bidah? no how can it be it was done by muhammad saw so to you its a new thing, but it is avtually not a new thing but to you its a new thing becasue you just learnt it so its a new thing for you in general but it is not a new thing in islam

hasan ra doing this is not a bidah in islam it is a new thing in general like you elarning salatul duha is a new thing but not new in islam, a person giving away caliphate is not contradicting anything in islam, nor does islam say it is not allwoed so again this is not a bidah in islam, second muhammad saw said in prophecy hasan ra will do this so again it was known from before so it is from the prophecy of muhammad saw, again not a bidah, but someothing already from and in islam, but new thing in sense of you learning the salatul duha

now again i ask you when you learned salatul duha was it a new thing for you? but was salatul duha new in islam when you learned it?

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Then there is stuff you support such as modern weaponry.

this is not bidah in religion, i also support new thing like teaching you salatul bidah that was new so was that bidah in islam?

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However you ignore all that when you post things like which I quoted. Your post ignores the history during the life of the prophet, the sahabahs and the salaf. I will suggest that they understood the concepts better than either of us and if they were able to do new things, then that says something.

and you ignore all this:

Imam Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: 

This indicates that praying qiyaam in Ramadaan is one of the Sunnahs of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and is recommended and encouraged. It was not introduced by ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab, rather he revived something that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) loved and approved of. Nothing stopped him from doing it regularly except the fear that it might be made obligatory upon his ummah. He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was kind and compassionate towards his ummah. ‘Umar knew from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) that the obligatory duties would not be increased or decreased after his death (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), so he revived this practice and enjoined it upon the people. That happened in 14 AH, and ‘Umar has the honour of being the one who revived this Sunnah.  

Al-Tamheed, 8/108, 109

again this proves your whole logic wrong, sahaba ra were aware while muhammad saw was alive and the quran was still incomplete islam wasnt complete but later it was completed and the sahaba ra said follow dont innvoate as it is now complete and the sahaba ra said when muhammad saw was alive we said thigns knowing we would be corrected but now we cant do this as religion is compelte

anyway again when it really matters you ignore muhammad saw and follow whoever you want instead

anf you also ignroe that hadith existed in which the salafs always did their action but again you would rather follow others isntead of muhammad saw because when matters come you ignore sunnha and follow the bidah because your love and obeediance and following muhammad saw is fake afterall like shias love for ali ra is fake and when ali raodes somehting says something they ignore that and follow whatever they want

and seeing how you decided not to reply to my other post im guessing you agree with it

I disagree with more or less every word you post. its an odd occasion when I don't.

i thought you follow muhammad saw not others, so when his hadith says all bidah is harram you decide to ignore his ahdith and use other means instead, again what happened to your logic the words of imam shafi and umar ra cant be changed

you see, understanding arabic can be a strange thing. there can be use of metaphors, of expressions etc that people will argue over. In the same way, the words in that hadith are not as simple as you mention - for if they were, the opinions of Caliph Umar, Imam Shafi'i and Ibn Taymiyyah and the majority of scholars on either side of the debate would all be wrong.

The tone of the quote suggests that you disagree with Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah. If so, don't quote him on the matter in your defence. I didn't read the rest of that long post as I came across your post in another topic:

if umar ra did call it bidah then he made a mistake and was wrong

after reading that I cannot see how we can discuss such matters. Your words are meaningless to me.

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I disagree with more or less every word you post. its an odd occasion when I don't.

i thought you follow muhammad saw not others, so when his hadith says all bidah is harram you decide to ignore his ahdith and use other means instead, again what happened to your logic the words of imam shafi and umar ra cant be changed

you see, understanding arabic can be a strange thing. there can be use of metaphors, of expressions etc that people will argue over. In the same way, the words in that hadith are not as simple as you mention - for if they were, the opinions of Caliph Umar, Imam Shafi'i and Ibn Taymiyyah and the majority of scholars on either side of the debate would all be wrong.

The tone of the quote suggests that you disagree with Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah. If so, don't quote him on the matter in your defence. I didn't read the rest of that long post as I came across your post in another topic:

if umar ra did call it bidah then he made a mistake and was wrong

after reading that I cannot see how we can discuss such matters. Your words are meaningless to me.

dont teach me arabic you didnt even know the hadith of jarir ra said sunnah hasanah in arabic not bidah hasanah what arabic were you reading then? the original arabic or your own made up version

and everyone knows when the scholars are becoming scholars they all learn the language of arabic of the quran to makesure they dont ge thtis term wrong so their can be no difference in what the word meant again shows how lost you are in even knowing what a scholar actually does whe he becomes a scholar

are you mental or what, if i disagreed with ibn taymiyyah why would i post his definition od explanation od bidah from both imam shafi and umar ra, again your the one who misquoted him on his text on mawlid, you want me to psot that comment of yours here again to show everyone?

then everyone will see who agrees with ibn taymiyyah and who the false follower is

you didnt read it or your too blind to take it it to deaf to listen to it and too dumb/mute to be able to speak it out

again you go around saying a sahaba ra can make mistake such as the muta scenario then say regarding the umar ra case that cannot be tolerated your one hell of a sell out sufi i have seen, ive spoken to many sufis but never as blind as you especially one who doesnt even know salatul duha yet spent many posts in teaching false knowledge regarding it,

how many people came ot this  forum read it and never came back or didnt follow up on it and are even today using your fake exaplantion to do thigns and it leading them to mroe bad all becasue of your ignorance they are doing that because you didnt have the witts to know speaking without knowledge is a dangerous matter today you corrected yourself but whos gonna correct all those who are still using that explanation of yours and have no contact or are with good intention still doing this all becasue you didnt have the brains to to do any real research and jsut spread flase info everywhere

you say my words are meaningless seeing how you keep on doing htis one minute that the other minute shows how useless you are now listen read htis hadith take it in and be a man and this time go ad do your research

al-Tirmidhi (806) narrated that Abu Dharr (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of
Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever prays qiyaam – i.e., Taraweeh – with the imam until he finishes, it will be recorded as if he spent the whole night in prayer.”

now with this hadith is tarawih in jamaah in mosque bidah or a teaching of muhammad saw

You wrote:

I didn't read the rest of that long post as I came across your post in another topic:

if umar ra did call it bidah then he made a mistake and was wrong

after reading that I cannot see how we can discuss such matters. Your words are meaningless to me.

That is the be all and the end all.

If you consider that Caliph Umar ra was wrong then I have nothing to discuss with you.

You wrote:

You wrote:

I didn't read the rest of that long post as I came across your post in another topic:

if umar ra did call it bidah then he made a mistake and was wrong

after reading that I cannot see how we can discuss such matters. Your words are meaningless to me.

That is the be all and the end all.

If you consider that Caliph Umar ra was wrong then I have nothing to discuss with you.

if after this post i poste da 100 times you still say this i say your a scum and the biggest sufi scum ive seen and you sure pulled a lot over the years like salatul duha scumbag

Imam Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: 

This indicates that praying qiyaam in Ramadaan is one of the Sunnahs of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and is recommended and encouraged. It was not introduced by ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab, rather he revived something that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) loved and approved of. Nothing stopped him from doing it regularly except the fear that it might be made obligatory upon his ummah. He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was kind and compassionate towards his ummah. ‘Umar knew from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) that the obligatory duties would not be increased or decreased after his death (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), so he revived this practice and enjoined it upon the people. That happened in 14 AH, and ‘Umar has the honour of being the one who revived this Sunnah.  

Al-Tamheed, 8/108, 109

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said, when refuting the view of those who quoted ‘Umar’s words “What a good innovation this is” as meaning that innovation (bid’ah) is permissible: 

With regard to qiyaam in Ramadaan, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) introduced this to his ummah, and he led them in prayer for a number of nights, because at his time they used to pray in congregation and individually. But he did not persist in leading them in one congregation, lest that be made obligatory for them. When the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) died, sharee’ah was established (and would not change after that). When ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) became caliph, he united them behind one imam, Ubayy ibn Ka’b, who united the people in one congregation on the orders of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him). ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) was one of the Rightly-Guided Caliphs, of whom the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I urge you to adhere to my Sunnah and the way of the Rightly-Guided Caliphs after me; cling tightly to it.” So what he did was Sunnah but he said, “What a good innovation this is,” because it was an innovation in the linguistic sense, as they were doing something that they had not done during the life of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), i.e., gathering to do this, but it is Sunnah in the shar’i sense.”  

Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 22/234, 235

if that bold bit is my view then how can i have a view that umar ra the caliph was wrong you scum

second i say according to your explanation if again IF that was the case then from this hadith below we can see that muhammad saw said it not bidah so who do we follow muhammad saw then umar ra opinion regarding this amtter if by yur logic is wrong and muhammad saw should be followed

al-Tirmidhi (806) narrated that Abu Dharr (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever prays qiyaam – i.e., Taraweeh – with the imam until he finishes, it will be recorded as if he spent the whole night in prayer.”

in conclusion i say by your logic that would be the case but my view is the view of ibn taymiyyah and abd al barr above of umar ra text so how can i view him wrong when thats my view

again your nothing but a scum as i said scumbag liar blind

A few posts ago when I asked how you reconcile the words of Ibn Taymiyyah wth the hadith that mentioned "all bid'ahs are dalaalah", you seemed to reject Ibn Taymiyyah and his view that that hadith does not cover all bid'ah.

Now you are arguing the opposite.

But lets stop this as we will never agree. Your position is summed up with you saying:

if umar ra did call it bidah then he made a mistake and was wrong

I do not think Caliph Umar (ra) was wrong and I do not want to debate with you.

Go away.

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A few posts ago when I asked how you reconcile the words of Ibn Taymiyyah wth the hadith that mentioned "all bid'ahs are dalaalah", you seemed to reject Ibn Taymiyyah and his view that that hadith does not cover all bid'ah.

Now you are arguing the opposite.

But lets stop this as we will never agree. Your position is summed up with you saying:

if umar ra did call it bidah then he made a mistake and was wrong

I do not think Caliph Umar (ra) was wrong and I do not want to debate with you.

Go away.

by allah i have seen liars but not scums like you

earlier i said this remember scumbag

their is 2 types of bidah bidah in religion bidah in general

bidah in general are things like car which has no relation to islam

bidah in religion are all harram like mawlid

and then i said theirs bidah in sense of something new like a person teaching someone quran thats new to him meaning its a new bidah for him to leanr quran/him learnign quran is new he did it now but quran is  not bidah its been revealed to muhammad saw him learning it is new

now did i or did i not say this earlier?

i believe i said regarding ibn taymiyyah he said bidah in linguistic sense such as the example i sued above is allowed when someone revives a sunnah it is bidah int he sense that it is a sunnah but it is new for those people linguistic sense did i or did i not use linguistic

again how many times do i ahve to catch you on lying earlier you said it was a mistake but now i can see it is a habbit of yours and if it truly is a mistake then inshallah i will forget it but agai n you have been caught out again i ask you should i bring back my earlier post regarding this?

anyone who has a brain will see the whole post in which i said even if..... that is the case then we should follow muhammad saw not umar ra but reality is the ibn taymiyyah and abd al bar explanation of him and that is the real explanation did i say this or not lying scumbag

again i have caught you out ona lying trick of yours by allah you are a scumbag and you know it and you used your scams on many people as i said scums like you teach false thigns such as salatul duha and then when caught out make excuses isnt that right scumbag and here i caught you out again trying to misqutoe me when i said IF that is the case then

but you the scum are saying i saif umar ra nauzubillah is wrong

agian caught out in your trick scum

deaf dumb blind no your just a scum who knows what his doing you being a ignorant illterate wouldve been better then this face of yours a scum liar

abualabbasassaffah7 wrote:

You wrote:

You wrote:

I didn't read the rest of that long post as I came across your post in another topic:

if umar ra did call it bidah then he made a mistake and was wrong

after reading that I cannot see how we can discuss such matters. Your words are meaningless to me.

That is the be all and the end all.

If you consider that Caliph Umar ra was wrong then I have nothing to discuss with you.

if after this post i poste da 100 times you still say this i say your a scum and the biggest sufi scum ive seen and you sure pulled a lot over the years like salatul duha scumbag

Imam Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: 

This indicates that praying qiyaam in Ramadaan is one of the Sunnahs of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and is recommended and encouraged. It was not introduced by ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab, rather he revived something that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) loved and approved of. Nothing stopped him from doing it regularly except the fear that it might be made obligatory upon his ummah. He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was kind and compassionate towards his ummah. ‘Umar knew from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) that the obligatory duties would not be increased or decreased after his death (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), so he revived this practice and enjoined it upon the people. That happened in 14 AH, and ‘Umar has the honour of being the one who revived this Sunnah.  

Al-Tamheed, 8/108, 109

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said, when refuting the view of those who quoted ‘Umar’s words “What a good innovation this is” as meaning that innovation (bid’ah) is permissible: 

With regard to qiyaam in Ramadaan, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) introduced this to his ummah, and he led them in prayer for a number of nights, because at his time they used to pray in congregation and individually. But he did not persist in leading them in one congregation, lest that be made obligatory for them. When the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) died, sharee’ah was established (and would not change after that). When ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) became caliph, he united them behind one imam, Ubayy ibn Ka’b, who united the people in one congregation on the orders of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him). ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) was one of the Rightly-Guided Caliphs, of whom the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I urge you to adhere to my Sunnah and the way of the Rightly-Guided Caliphs after me; cling tightly to it.” So what he did was Sunnah but he said, “What a good innovation this is,” because it was an innovation in the linguistic sense, as they were doing something that they had not done during the life of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), i.e., gathering to do this, but it is Sunnah in the shar’i sense.”  

Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 22/234, 235

if that bold bit is my view then how can i have a view that umar ra the caliph was wrong you scum

second i say according to your explanation if again IF that was the case then from this hadith below we can see that muhammad saw said it not bidah so who do we follow muhammad saw then umar ra opinion regarding this amtter if by yur logic is wrong and muhammad saw should be followed

al-Tirmidhi (806) narrated that Abu Dharr (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever prays qiyaam – i.e., Taraweeh – with the imam until he finishes, it will be recorded as if he spent the whole night in prayer.”

 

in conclusion i say by your logic that would be the case but my view is the view of ibn taymiyyah and abd al barr above of umar ra text so how can i view him wrong when thats my view

 

again your nothing but a scum as i said scumbag liar blind

Peace be upon both of you.

The things you two are discussing are becoming pathetic and the way you debate about such things is even more pathetic. Just stop even if you think you're right. Labelling someone who disagrees with you with words such as scum, liar and blind, is extremely childish. It would really be appreciated if both of you say, we disagree with each other but because this thread is going around in circles we will stop discussing such topics and leave them as they are. No one seems to be benefitting.

Just remember, you don't always need to have the last say. Just because one of you decides to refrain from posting and commenting does not mean you don't have anything to say. It simply means I am wasting time and I have gained an insight into making better use of my knowledge elsewhere, and i have done my part and said what I need to and now I will stop. That's all. So I would suggest one of you, if not both of you, acts upon what I have said, inshaAllah.

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Wow, i began listening to a bit of that video (about 2 minutes) and i am totally amazed by how much of it i understood without needing to look at the English translation. *Yaaaaay*

@abualabbasassaffah7: I appreciate and i thank you for taking on some advice and i pray that from now on you make much better use of the vast amount of knowledge you have to benefit the rest of us. We don't need long essays - It becomes very boring and not worth reading. So, keep it up and avoid the pointless debates.