We all know that Micheal Jackson became a Muslim.

There are numerous reports in top newspapers that he converted to Islam.

The question is did he die of natural causes or was he secretly killed.

May God have mercy on his soul and take him to Heaven.

Michael Jackson 'becomes a Muslim and changes name to Mikaeel'

By Daily Mail - 21st November 2008

Beleaguered pop star Michael Jackson has converted to Islam and changed his name to Mikaeel, it has been claimed today.

The 50-year-old singer, who has previously been photographed wearing a traditional Arab women's veil, reportedly became a Muslim in a ceremony at a friend's house in Los Angeles.

The singer, who was raised as a Jehovah's Witness, is said to have sat on the floor and worn a small hat while an imam officiated at the home of Steve Porcaro, who composed music on his Thriller album....

Read more at:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1088225/Michael-Jackson-Mu…

Michael Jackson 'converts to Islam and changes name to Mikaeel'

Michael Jackson has reportedly become a Muslim and changed his name to Mikaeel.

By Graham Tibbetts

Telegraph - 9:35AM GMT 21 Nov 2008

The singer, who was raised as a Jehovah's Witness, converted to Islam in a ceremony at a friend's house in Los Angeles.

He is said to have sat on the floor and worn a small hat while an imam officiated.

According to The Sun, the ceremony took place while Jackson, 50, was recording an album at the home of Steve Porcaro, a keyboard player who composed music on his Thriller album.

The former Jackson 5 star was counselled by David Wharnsby, a Canadian songwriter, and Phillip Bubal, a producer, who have both converted.

A source said Jackson had appeared a "bit down" and added: "They began talking to him about their beliefs, and how they thought they had become better people after they converted. Michael soon began warming to the idea.

"An imam was summoned from the mosque and Michael went through the shahada, which is the Muslim declaration of belief."

read more at:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/3494296/Michae…

Come on, this is all a little tasteless. I feel like locking this poll. Can we keep things in one topic please? It's bad enough for news junkies as it is to have this as the only reported news event for the next week/decade or so.

(to lock or not to lock?)

[quote=You]Come on, this is all a little tasteless. I feel like locking this poll. Can we keep things in one topic please? It's bad enough for news junkies as it is to have this as the only reported news event for the next week/decade or so.

(to lock or not to lock?)[/quote]

Lock

Just in case people are wondering, the relevant comments (and some others too) have been moved to here.

Maybe the title scared you?

Your thread is not a conspiracy topic.

Also, your thread has no poll.

This is a new and different topic from a different point of view.

Please put back the comments here as this is a totally different angel on the subject.

Also, how will people be able to vote now?

You have killed the poll.

its a good point - moving the posts over have polluted this topic. ideas from others?

The other topic is for condolences; and also for the good memories of our brother.

This thread is for the blame game: Who or what killed him.

Do we blame the pills, or do we point fingers at sinister forces.

Some of us want blood !!

[quote=You]its a good point - moving the posts over have polluted this topic. ideas from others?[/quote]

I have moved two back - the others have sort of.. erm... disappeared. Nothing to do with me. I think.

But this allows all the craziness to stay in one place.

My opinion? This is a BS conspiracy theory. Tasteless too.

I suspect that you dont care very much how the mega star died?

Could it be that you did not like his music?

atleast can I close the poll? I want the BNP one to be on the sidebar, not this one.

Until BNP boss is found dead like Jacko was, I think our muslims brother who has been - I suspect murdered - deserves more attention.

Wouldn't you agree?

By the way, thanks for deleting the copy of the first post.

is it just me hu thinks this is a stupid topic?

Obviously the Jews murder Michael Jackson.

But he became a muslim agess agoo! Why didnt they kill him then? and what's the point killing him only? why not other celebrities like snoop dog.

Ah he died everyone dies one day.

is snoop dogg a muslim?

[quote=M4k4v3l1]is it just me hu thinks this is a stupid topic?[/quote]

no. stupid and in bad taste.

Wednesday, no offense, but out of his amazing catalogue, that is surely a low.

Try Rock With You!

First they killed Malcolm X, just before he was about to explain to the world the beauty of true Islam, then they killed Lady Di, just as she was about to marry a Muslim man, and no doubt, explain to the world the beauty of true Islam, then they murdered Moustapha Akkad (director of the Movie, The Message) just before he was about to make an enormous film on the Muslim legend, Salaah hud-Deen...

NOW, they murder Michael Jackson, just as he was about to embark on a world tour in which he no doubt would have spoken about the reason for this being his "last" tour: That he had converted to the beautiful Religion of Islam.

It's all very clear when you think about it.

'They' being who?

Nation of Islam?

Prince Charles?

Wes Craven?

Expand please. No answers with 'they' without explain who 'they' are is worth anything.

[quote=Ya'qub]'They' being who?

Nation of Islam?

Prince Charles?

Wes Craven?

Expand please. No answers with 'they' without explain who 'they' are is worth anything.[/quote]

I noticed a hint of sarcasm in Mark Parker's post 😉

But if you ARE looking for an answer, then how can it not be obvious!: Secret Coalition of the Illuminati and Freemasons (with the New World Order), the Knights Templars or Jews of course! 😉

Lets add Micheal Jackson to the list of murder conspiracy theories, which already include: J F Kennedy, Marilyn Monroe, Elvis, Princess Diana and Tupac. Forget who killed JR, its WHO KILLED MJ?? (add dramatic finale sound effect here)

[quote=Amal]

I noticed a hint of sarcasm in Mark Parker's post 😉

[/quote]

Oops... I'd like to think that was the case. With Omrow too.

Sarcasm, eh?

*strokes beard in thoughtful manner*

It is very strange that the cause of Micheal Jackson's death will not be fabricated for another 60 days.

Sounds very fishy, even to his own lawyer.

They want to get everyone's story in line; especially of that doctor who was in the mansion with Micheal Jackson.

He decided to hide for a day before police took his car and demanded he give himself up.

[quote=Omrow]It is very strange that the cause of Micheal Jackson's death will not be fabricated for another 60 days.

Sounds very fishy, even to his own lawyer.

They want to get everyone's story in line; especially of that doctor who was in the mansion with Micheal Jackson.

He decided to hide for a day before police took his car and demanded he give himself up.

[/quote]

So what you're saying is that the police are NOT in on the plot.

OK, so we're now a step closer to discovering the 'truth'...

Police are too dumb to be in on any plot of this kind.

They simply do as told by their masters.

Its either the CIA or Micheal Jackson's own family who hated and

feared his converting to Islam.

How about Iran killing him to take news focus away from ongoing protests?

[quote=Ya'qub]How about Iran killing him to take news focus away from ongoing protests?[/quote]

What protests?!?

[quote=You][quote=Ya'qub]How about Iran killing him to take news focus away from ongoing protests?[/quote]

What protests?!?[/quote]

Brother, you are so naive...

(runs away and hides)

I am surprised at the number of people who have voted yes. Is that a case of not reading this article, or something else?

although i didnt read all of it, well only read a little bit, it seemz like a funny but true article

Ed Balls considers ban on BNP teachers

The government is investigating a possible ban on British National party members working as teachers in schools in a move that could challenge the legitimacy of the far-right party.

A source close to the schools secretary, Ed Balls, said there had been several meetings on the issue with teaching unions which are lobbying for a change in teachers' contracts to prevent them from working if they are members of far-right groups including the BNP. The issue was being "actively looked at", the source said...

Read more @ The Guardian

This is a tricky one... on the one hand, I'm all for 'no more racist teachers in schools', but on the other I'm worried about what kind of precedent this might set.

The BNP may well be a bunch of idiots, but their organisation is not illegal within British law.

What if they were to ban members of Muslim groups who they saw as extreme?

And what if they then started banning members of mainstream Muslim (and other) groups?

And what if they started banning people because they might have once been on a political protest in their earlier life?

It's like a snowball effect.

So while I'm all for strictness on people who have criminal convitions - for racism, for drug abuse, for child abuse etc etc etc - I'm not sure membership of ANY party/organisation (no matter how much we don't like it) is reason to ban someone from teaching.

As long as there is enough accountability that teachers don't get an opportunity to preach to students (about anything), I think it will be safe.

Agreed - I think it is more important to concentrate on what is taught and how competently it is.

they should ban the bnp party how can it be legal in this so called civilised country, can someone explain please, how it is possible, some loophole? Some nonsense about "freedom"? How did they enter the political field? any links appreciated.

Like everyone else i don't think they should be banned from teaching either, as much as i detest them, since the same rule would have to apply to other partys also.

[quote=Hajjar]...How did they enter the political field? any links appreciated...[/quote]

No links, but I would suspect that they entered by putting up some candidates. And then people voted for them. If people really feel that way, I see no harm with it being acknowledged through a public vote as the disease is already there, now just more apparent.

[quote=Hajjar]they should ban the bnp party how can it be legal in this so called civilised country, can someone explain please, how it is possible, some loophole?

[/quote]

Cos freedom of speech extends to 'I don't agree with what you say, but I will die for your right to say it'.

There is no running away from the fact that people DO have these views, a significant proportion of the population as the recent elections demonstrated. If the government banned this particular organisation, then the people who supported them will still exist. They will just find a different platform to spread their hate (and if the government banned THAT group they'd find another one, and so on and so on, each time adding supporters due to their notoriety and 'anti-establishment' status/kudos).

If the organisation is legal; their spokesmen can go on national TV etc, then it gives others the opportunity to challenge their views as well as showing them up for the nasty, narrow-minded people they really are.

If we, as Muslims, want to be able to share our beliefs and make da'wah etc, we have to accept that (and support the right for) other people, with totally different beliefs, get to voice their opinion too.

You automatically lose an argument by running away from your opponent, punching them in the face until they shut up or locking them away in a dungeon.

hmmm... seems that there IS a loophole, challenging the BNP because they don't employ people on an equal opportunities basis.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/23/bnp-equal-opportuni…

From above ^^:

The letter the party received this morning gives it 30 days to provide written confirmation that it will undertake various major reforms including rewriting its constitution, diverting from its longstanding aversion to non-white people radically enough to begin recruiting them, and showing that it will be able to provide services to constituents in a way that does not discriminate.

Interesting... Nick Griffin has quite a handful of coloured constituents...

assalamu alaikum,

so if a group of ppl have fascist views and want to further them, they can get some votes and be taken seriously as a politcal party? Isn't this how Nazi beliefs progressed? Is it wise to allow these sort of parties in regardless of morality? What if a white supremacist party wanted to become legit like the BNP, it's cool within the uk so long as you follow the rules??

They only get votes if people agree with their beliefs. Having members of the BNP is not the problem but the fact that people are willing to vote for them is.

Punishing the BNP there after the fact is pointless. Question is why do people think the BNP represent them and what can be done about that.

[quote=You]They only get votes if people agree with their beliefs. Having members of the BNP is not the problem but the fact that people are willing to vote for them is.

Punishing the BNP there after the fact is pointless. Question is why do people think the BNP represent them and what can be done about that.[/quote]

Exactly.

The BNP is nothing more than a car. A car driven my an alcoholic maniac.

If he got drunk and crashed into a wall, do you think the CAR is to blame? What would happen if you destroyed the car? Wouldn't the maniac be able to get a new one the next night?

'but... but... but... drunk-driving is illegal', I hear you say. 'The maniac should be locked up.'

That is, of course, true. But you can't arrest him BEFORE he's committed a crime.

And the BNP don't EXPLICITLY tell their followers to kill/assault anybody. Not publicly, anyway. If they did that, then they'd be arrested.

Even then the car would be allowed to stay on the road, as long as it passed it's MOT.

What I think is odd is that, even though everyone who's commented on this doesn't think they should be banned, close to three quarters of people have voted that they should (I'm including 'think of the children' in this).

So if you voted that they SHOULD be banned, A) why haven't you commented? B) what is your reason? and C) I want another argument.

i voted yes.

cbb to state my reason.

Should the Government ban members of the BNP from teaching?

No.

Somebody, think of the children!

bnp hate muslims and people of colour, everyone knows that. so how can they treat them fairly?

they are racists, racist people attack others, sometimes verbally, physically or emotionally.

teachers are important people, kids look up to them, they are their role models at that time. who wants a racist for a role model? is that a good thing?

Although I dont agree with BNP; I am against the proposed ban.

In fact, I think that if a BNP teacher is daily seeing lots of muslim children,

then this may, after some time, actually remove his bigotry.

He would get to know muslims not as monsters, but as

beautiful people who can teach his group a moral lesson or two.

That can only be good for our society.

[quote=Omrow]Although I dont agree with BNP; I am against the proposed ban.

In fact, I think that if a BNP teacher is daily seeing lots of muslim children,

then this may, after some time, actually remove his bigotry.

He would get to know muslims not as monsters, but as

beautiful people who can teach his group a moral lesson or two.

That can only be good for our society.

[/quote]

That is one of the sanest thing you've said that I've read. Well done.