What! Microsoft office isn't compatible with vista.
A "copy" of Microsoft office may be a problem. I am not sure if WGA is built into vista or not.
Genuine Office will work.
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Right, I've made up my mind, I'm staying with xp.
Their own software isn't compatible with vista. If they want people to upgrade to vista then they should atleast make an effort.
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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Submitted by Phoenix CG on 17 April, 2007 - 20:42 #32
I'm getting the Mac Iphone too, i'm converted :oops:
I'm getting the Mac Iphone too, i'm converted :oops:
yup, I want one of those.
My contract is up atm, just holding on for some decent phones.
is it me, or has this year been rather stale with regards to phones?
The SonyErricssons are almost the same as last year's. Same with most samsungs.
Noone has really brouight anything fancyto the market. Except the Prada phone which looks nice. I may get that or wait for the iPhone.
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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Submitted by Phoenix CG on 17 April, 2007 - 21:27 #34
Well I did want to get the p990 sony ericcson to upgrade from my p910 I saw that as the bset phne on the market, and pretty nice...until I saw mac, im only concerned that mac have not made a tablet notebook, basically that means I have to use a windows tablet pc...which I don't really want to...I really hope they come out with a tablet, about 10-12"
Submitted by MuslimBro on 18 April, 2007 - 01:37 #35
I just ordered my laptop, which is installed with xp pro. It's really good, has a fingerprint scanner and a built-in webcam, it's more of a business laptop 8).
Atleast I don't have to worry about my 'softwares' not working :P.
Mac's are expensive or what, you can buy two pc's for the price of one mac.
Submitted by Phoenix CG on 18 April, 2007 - 13:14 #36
I got a coupla those for around the house, they are rather convenient but I still prefer... what the hell was I talking about?...
I swear, I start paying attention in class for five freaking minutes and my whole train of thought is gone.
What topic is this? Computers! That's right okay now I remember.
As I was saying,
The Mac notepad thingies are pretty convenient for little tasks like meal menus, personal notes, checking email and other little things like that. Which is mostly what I use them for - but I still prefer IBM for word processing, internet use and all of other stuff.
If you get a new Mac, you can run both Mac OS and Windows
I just don't like the way they (Macs) look, they seem rather childish. Not to mention outside of his Pixar work (which is brilliant) I can't stand Steve Jobs.
They don't look nearly as childish once you've covered them in all your Pokemon stickers!
And Steve Jobs is really arrogant and annoying, but WAKE UP, 90% of all people in charge of businesses are.
Don't disrespect my Pokemon sticker collection - they're going to be worth a lot of money some day!
I think it's Steve's particular flavor of arrogant and annoying. For example I can handle that bald headed monkey dance psycho at microsoft "DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS" because at least you can dismiss them off as fools and since they are well paid fools they won't stick around to challenge you. (Though I might be a little concerned he'd throw a chair at me like he did his senior developer that ran off to google)
Steve is like a hippy LSD Junky that thinks he's got all this class and sophistocation because he drinks sobe eats sushi and buys abstract art. I bet he's one of those morons that does obnoxious things like lectures his friends on wines & politics when he forces them to dinner.
...as you can see I've given this far too much consideration. I really don't like that guy.
In fact I dislike him so much I hate Noah Wyle too just for playing him.
He played Steve Jobs! Everytime I look at him I think "it's like Steve junior... I hate that guy"
Quote:
i used to love ER when i was younger before it turned into a soap opera.
ewan mcgregor was a guest star, quentin tarantino directed an episode, those were the days (sob)
Okay Ewan McGregor gets points - I like that guy. But Quentin Tarantino!? His movies are trash, they're always violent to the point you wonder why this guy is into this stuff, and they always have some kind of ridiculously perverted twist like that... scene... with the black guy in Pulp Fiction or that girl with the sawed off leg in his new one.
You forgot that Muslims don't have apple sauce cos we dont eat pork chops
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Don't just do something! Stand there.
Submitted by Phoenix CG on 18 April, 2007 - 17:21 #47
"Don Karnage" wrote:
"Ya'qub" wrote:
how can you hate Noah Wyle?
how CAN you?
how?
He played Steve Jobs! Everytime I look at him I think "it's like Steve junior... I hate that guy"
Quote:
i used to love ER when i was younger before it turned into a soap opera.
ewan mcgregor was a guest star, quentin tarantino directed an episode, those were the days (sob)
Okay Ewan McGregor gets points - I like that guy. But Quentin Tarantino!? His movies are trash, they're always violent to the point you wonder why this guy is into this stuff, and they always have some kind of ridiculously perverted twist like that... scene... with the black guy in Pulp Fiction or that girl with the sawed off leg in his new one.
Quote:
in conclusion: stop ur apple-bashing
No! I'm going to bash it into apple sauce!
No way! Quentin makes some amazing movies, they are over done, but thats what makes it funny as hell. His movies were brilliant, pulp fiction, one of the best ever, too funny. They make me laugh so much it just makes it brilliant. It's one of those WTF?! scenes, it's like you know he does it to take the piss.
MAC FTW! I'm saying bubye to PC's Soon
Submitted by Seraphim on 18 April, 2007 - 18:38 #48
[b]10 Reasons why Macs are Better:[/b]
1. Last year there were 114000 known viruses... not one of them built to infect a Mac. Plus Macs comes with in an inbuilt Firewall.
2. Macs dont come filled with cr@p that you dont need or use.
3. Macs dont get the blue screen of death... made popular by Micro$haft.
4. Macs come with inbuilt peripherals such as video camera's which they've only started doing recently on laptops.
5. No upgrading nightmares... a 5 year old machine can run the latest Mac OS. Whilst a 5 year old PC cant load the latest Micro$haft OS.
6. Macs are not all about being creative fun and all that Jazz... they also run things like Office X for ages now... although i would prefer Claris Works which is the same things really. But yeah Macs have Office too.
7. The connection to the Mac itself is magnetic, and should break off before someone trips over the power cord and drags the computer off the desk..
8. Macs work great outta the box... they dont require upgrade drivers or assembly. They dont come bundled with software you never asked for.
9. Mac laptops also weight a lot less than their Windows laptop counterparts.
10. Macs have been using Dual core CPU's for years now... while they've only just been released for the PC.
Infact the only problem i can think of that Macs suffer from is being under-supported in the Games industry. Not many games are available for the Mac... but if you dont use your PC for games then you're fine.
5. No upgrading nightmares... a 5 year old machine can run the latest Mac OS. Whilst a 5 year old PC cant load the latest Micro$haft OS.
err, actually this ain't completely true.
My friend bought a brand-new (albeit rather cheap) laptop about a week after Vista came out and his computer runs really INCREDIBLY slowly. eg he has to wait for atleast twenty seconds for a simple window to open from the desktop, with no other programs running. I'm not exaggerating!
anyway,
[b]as computer users, we shouldn't be focusing on our differences, they only cause divisions. we should be focusing on our similarities with each other and uniting into one single group of computer users who accept our differences, and learn tolerance for people of all operating systems.[/b]
Yeah man. Ittehad. Unity brothers. Spread the word.
If I was not so set in my windows ways, Linux would probably suit my needs better. Apart from gaming, but for that I can dual boot, or potentially use Wine. I have been using "Fedora" to tinker with for quite a while now.
It's just I do not find Windows annoying enough to change.
Same with browsers. I switched to firefox becasue it behaviour wise it was very similar to IE. Apart from a few enhancements. Pretty easy to move over.
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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Submitted by Seraphim on 18 April, 2007 - 19:42 #51
"Ya'qub" wrote:
"Seraphim" wrote:
5. No upgrading nightmares... a 5 year old machine can run the latest Mac OS. Whilst a 5 year old PC cant load the latest Micro$haft OS.
err, actually this ain't completely true.
My friend bought a brand-new (albeit rather cheap) laptop about a week after Vista came out and his computer runs really INCREDIBLY slowly. eg he has to wait for atleast twenty seconds for a simple window to open from the desktop, with no other programs running. I'm not exaggerating!
anyway,
[b]as computer users, we shouldn't be focusing on our differences, they only cause divisions. we should be focusing on our similarities with each other and uniting into one single group of computer users who accept our differences, and learn tolerance for people of all operating systems.[/b]
Okay perhaps i should have phrased it better... a 5 year mac can run the latest Mac X OS WITHOUT PROBLEM while PCs will encounter numerious problems... before they run like a fat mule that has the Bird Flu.
Im not trying to cause divides im simply pointing out that Micro$haft sux... despite all that money invest etc... they still come out with absolute cr@p. Instead of making life easier they're making it harder.
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Back in BLACK
Submitted by MuslimBro on 18 April, 2007 - 20:03 #52
As I'm buying a new laptop with xp I'll provide an argument.
"Seraphim" wrote:
1. Macs comes with in an inbuilt Firewall.
So does xp pro sp2 and vista.
"Seraphim" wrote:
2. Macs dont come filled with cr@p that you dont need or use.
You can uninstall the stuff you don't need.
"Seraphim" wrote:
8. Macs work great outta the box... they dont require upgrade drivers or assembly. They dont come bundled with software you never asked for.
Something is better than nothing. Give it to someone else or sell it if you don't want it.
"Seraphim" wrote:
9. Mac laptops also weight a lot less than their Windows laptop counterparts.
Some people like heavy laptops, comes useful when doing weight lifting :D.
"Seraphim" wrote:
10. Macs have been using Dual core CPU's for years now... while they've only just been released for the PC.
Better late than never.
"Ya'qub" wrote:
[b]as computer users, we shouldn't be focusing on our differences, they only cause divisions. we should be focusing on our similarities with each other and uniting into one single group of computer users who accept our differences, and learn tolerance for people of all operating systems.[/b]
and you were saying....
"Ya'qub" wrote:
Macs are best!!
....
And Bill Gates smells funny!
PS. when you're surfing the net using a mac, do you need to use antivirus?
Submitted by Seraphim on 18 April, 2007 - 20:46 #53
Thats not an arguement... thats handing the keyboard to a monkey.
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so does xp pro sp2 and vista.
yeah... after you've finished installing XP... then finished installing the service packs... and Micro$haft have only just included it in Vista as they've seen Apple has been doing this for years. Clearly one company thinks ahead... while the others only interested in money.
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You can uninstall the stuff you don't need.
If your a new user to PC you dont really know whats what ... and the thought of uninstalling anything can be too scary for some. Besides why should you have to uninstall? You didnt ask for it, yet you've paid for it? So its kinda paying for something you dont want.
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Something is better than nothing. Give it to someone else or sell it if you don't want it.
Actually i think you'll find Apples are better than both PCs and nothing. Theres a reason why PCs come bundled with this software... its a pile of cr@p that they're having to give away. So you'd only end up with cr@p on your Hard Drive... and then having to sell cr@p to someone else? Who buys cr@p anyway? (Other than Farmers).
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Some people like heavy laptops,
Name two people? Carrying alot more weight then you have to is not something people normally do. And if they want to do weight lifting... thats what the Gyms for... besides you cant really be developing any muscles from lifting laptops?
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Better late than never.
Again... it clearly shows how some companies actually think ahead to the future... whilst others are clearly only in it for the money.
MBro, those are some of the lamest excuses ive come across... and i should know I was once doing the same thing as you are... fighting for PCs... only then i realised... Apples were better.
Apples are the future... not PCs. And you go on with your lives, ignoring the signs all around you. And then one day, when the air is still and the night is fallen, Windows will crash and you'll have the BlueScreenOfDeath. Make no mistake, my brothers, it will happen. Micro$haft will force their service packs upon you. There is only one question you must answer: Who will you stand with?
Apart from that in looks, neither OSX nor windows have wobbly windows or spinning cube workplaces.
But then again eye candy can get annoying.
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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Submitted by MuslimBro on 18 April, 2007 - 21:47 #59
Oh well, I've paid for the laptop so might aswell use it. Macs are really expensive though.
And isn't it in the interests of every business to make money?...ok, don't answer that, I know what you're gonna say.
The only way I am going to convert to mac's will be when I either get the BlueScreenOfDeath, or when xp is discontinued.
I've always used windows, don't know much about mac but it looks like my support for windows may come to an end as I might not be upgrading to vista.
Vista gets more buggy for me everyday... that Com Surrogate thing won't go away and now I'm getting some message about "NTLDR missing"
I'm like 70% of the way to screen punching.
When I had an NTLDR missing screen I couldn't start-up no matter what. NTLDR is one of the main files responsible for Windows boot-up. It is very annoying. After many days of frustration, using another computer I had to download a fix that now creates a wierd multilingual screen during boot-up, but I haven't had problems since.
[size=10]The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.[/size]
[size=9]Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)[/size]
Genuine Office will work.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
I'm getting the Mac Iphone too, i'm converted :oops:
yup, I want one of those.
My contract is up atm, just holding on for some decent phones.
is it me, or has this year been rather stale with regards to phones?
The SonyErricssons are almost the same as last year's. Same with most samsungs.
Noone has really brouight anything fancyto the market. Except the Prada phone which looks nice. I may get that or wait for the iPhone.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Well I did want to get the p990 sony ericcson to upgrade from my p910 I saw that as the bset phne on the market, and pretty nice...until I saw mac, im only concerned that mac have not made a tablet notebook, basically that means I have to use a windows tablet pc...which I don't really want to...I really hope they come out with a tablet, about 10-12"
I just ordered my laptop, which is installed with xp pro. It's really good, has a fingerprint scanner and a built-in webcam, it's more of a business laptop 8).
Atleast I don't have to worry about my 'softwares' not working :P.
Mac's are expensive or what, you can buy two pc's for the price of one mac.
0o0o okay im converted, no more windows:
http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/ModBook
Macs are best!!
havn't you seen the adverts? [b]they[/b] tell you that Macs are best!
I've been using Macs since before they were popular and I've never had a virus or any major crashes.
Plus, you can't get many games for Mac so you don't waste much time that you should be being productive!
And Bill Gates smells funny!
Don't just do something! Stand there.
I got a coupla those for around the house, they are rather convenient but I still prefer... what the hell was I talking about?...
I swear, I start paying attention in class for five freaking minutes and my whole train of thought is gone.
What topic is this? Computers! That's right okay now I remember.
As I was saying,
The Mac notepad thingies are pretty convenient for little tasks like meal menus, personal notes, checking email and other little things like that. Which is mostly what I use them for - but I still prefer IBM for word processing, internet use and all of other stuff.
If you get a new Mac, you can run both Mac OS and Windows
Don't just do something! Stand there.
I just don't like the way they (Macs) look, they seem rather childish. Not to mention outside of his Pixar work (which is brilliant) I can't stand Steve Jobs.
They don't look nearly as childish once you've covered them in all your Pokemon stickers!
And Steve Jobs is really arrogant and annoying, but WAKE UP, 90% of all people in charge of businesses are.
Don't just do something! Stand there.
Don't disrespect my Pokemon sticker collection - they're going to be worth a lot of money some day!
I think it's Steve's particular flavor of arrogant and annoying. For example I can handle that bald headed monkey dance psycho at microsoft "DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS" because at least you can dismiss them off as fools and since they are well paid fools they won't stick around to challenge you. (Though I might be a little concerned he'd throw a chair at me like he did his senior developer that ran off to google)
Steve is like a hippy LSD Junky that thinks he's got all this class and sophistocation because he drinks sobe eats sushi and buys abstract art. I bet he's one of those morons that does obnoxious things like lectures his friends on wines & politics when he forces them to dinner.
...as you can see I've given this far too much consideration. I really don't like that guy.
In fact I dislike him so much I hate Noah Wyle too just for playing him.
how can you hate Noah Wyle?
how CAN you?
how?
i used to love ER when i was younger before it turned into a soap opera.
ewan mcgregor was a guest star, quentin tarantino directed an episode, those were the days (sob)
in conclusion: stop ur apple-bashing
Don't just do something! Stand there.
Macs are for designers, thats why I'm going to get one.
He played Steve Jobs! Everytime I look at him I think "it's like Steve junior... I hate that guy"
Okay Ewan McGregor gets points - I like that guy. But Quentin Tarantino!? His movies are trash, they're always violent to the point you wonder why this guy is into this stuff, and they always have some kind of ridiculously perverted twist like that... scene... with the black guy in Pulp Fiction or that girl with the sawed off leg in his new one.
No! I'm going to bash it into apple sauce!
lol!
You forgot that Muslims don't have apple sauce cos we dont eat pork chops
Don't just do something! Stand there.
No way! Quentin makes some amazing movies, they are over done, but thats what makes it funny as hell. His movies were brilliant, pulp fiction, one of the best ever, too funny. They make me laugh so much it just makes it brilliant. It's one of those WTF?! scenes, it's like you know he does it to take the piss.
MAC FTW! I'm saying bubye to PC's Soon
[b]10 Reasons why Macs are Better:[/b]
1. Last year there were 114000 known viruses... not one of them built to infect a Mac. Plus Macs comes with in an inbuilt Firewall.
2. Macs dont come filled with cr@p that you dont need or use.
3. Macs dont get the blue screen of death... made popular by Micro$haft.
4. Macs come with inbuilt peripherals such as video camera's which they've only started doing recently on laptops.
5. No upgrading nightmares... a 5 year old machine can run the latest Mac OS. Whilst a 5 year old PC cant load the latest Micro$haft OS.
6. Macs are not all about being creative fun and all that Jazz... they also run things like Office X for ages now... although i would prefer Claris Works which is the same things really. But yeah Macs have Office too.
7. The connection to the Mac itself is magnetic, and should break off before someone trips over the power cord and drags the computer off the desk..
8. Macs work great outta the box... they dont require upgrade drivers or assembly. They dont come bundled with software you never asked for.
9. Mac laptops also weight a lot less than their Windows laptop counterparts.
10. Macs have been using Dual core CPU's for years now... while they've only just been released for the PC.
Infact the only problem i can think of that Macs suffer from is being under-supported in the Games industry. Not many games are available for the Mac... but if you dont use your PC for games then you're fine.
Back in BLACK
err, actually this ain't completely true.
My friend bought a brand-new (albeit rather cheap) laptop about a week after Vista came out and his computer runs really INCREDIBLY slowly. eg he has to wait for atleast twenty seconds for a simple window to open from the desktop, with no other programs running. I'm not exaggerating!
anyway,
[b]as computer users, we shouldn't be focusing on our differences, they only cause divisions. we should be focusing on our similarities with each other and uniting into one single group of computer users who accept our differences, and learn tolerance for people of all operating systems.[/b]
Don't just do something! Stand there.
Yeah man. Ittehad. Unity brothers. Spread the word.
If I was not so set in my windows ways, Linux would probably suit my needs better. Apart from gaming, but for that I can dual boot, or potentially use Wine. I have been using "Fedora" to tinker with for quite a while now.
It's just I do not find Windows annoying enough to change.
Same with browsers. I switched to firefox becasue it behaviour wise it was very similar to IE. Apart from a few enhancements. Pretty easy to move over.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Okay perhaps i should have phrased it better... a 5 year mac can run the latest Mac X OS WITHOUT PROBLEM while PCs will encounter numerious problems... before they run like a fat mule that has the Bird Flu.
Im not trying to cause divides im simply pointing out that Micro$haft sux... despite all that money invest etc... they still come out with absolute cr@p. Instead of making life easier they're making it harder.
Back in BLACK
As I'm buying a new laptop with xp I'll provide an argument.
So does xp pro sp2 and vista.
You can uninstall the stuff you don't need.
Something is better than nothing. Give it to someone else or sell it if you don't want it.
Some people like heavy laptops, comes useful when doing weight lifting :D.
Better late than never.
and you were saying....
PS. when you're surfing the net using a mac, do you need to use antivirus?
Thats not an arguement... thats handing the keyboard to a monkey.
yeah... after you've finished installing XP... then finished installing the service packs... and Micro$haft have only just included it in Vista as they've seen Apple has been doing this for years. Clearly one company thinks ahead... while the others only interested in money.
If your a new user to PC you dont really know whats what ... and the thought of uninstalling anything can be too scary for some. Besides why should you have to uninstall? You didnt ask for it, yet you've paid for it? So its kinda paying for something you dont want.
Actually i think you'll find Apples are better than both PCs and nothing. Theres a reason why PCs come bundled with this software... its a pile of cr@p that they're having to give away. So you'd only end up with cr@p on your Hard Drive... and then having to sell cr@p to someone else? Who buys cr@p anyway? (Other than Farmers).
Name two people? Carrying alot more weight then you have to is not something people normally do. And if they want to do weight lifting... thats what the Gyms for... besides you cant really be developing any muscles from lifting laptops?
Again... it clearly shows how some companies actually think ahead to the future... whilst others are clearly only in it for the money.
MBro, those are some of the lamest excuses ive come across... and i should know I was once doing the same thing as you are... fighting for PCs... only then i realised... Apples were better.
Apples are the future... not PCs. And you go on with your lives, ignoring the signs all around you. And then one day, when the air is still and the night is fallen, Windows will crash and you'll have the BlueScreenOfDeath. Make no mistake, my brothers, it will happen. Micro$haft will force their service packs upon you. There is only one question you must answer: Who will you stand with?
Back in BLACK
on macs..
http://www.flyakiteosx.com/
if u like the eye candy of osx.. its not a bad windows theme.. make sure to set restore points if u decide to revert back.
[b][i]Round and round the Ka'bah,
Like a good Sahabah,
One step, Two step,
All the way to jannah[/i][/b]
Soooo basicly people are trying to make their Windows "look" like and imitate Apple X??? hhhmmm now why would ppl do that??? :roll:
{im being sarcastic}
Back in BLACK
loadsa reasons,
ex mac users
boredom
the transparent dock widget (if i could find a download of just that component I would use it..)
i tried it, but all in all its not for me.. worth a whirl tho
[b][i]Round and round the Ka'bah,
Like a good Sahabah,
One step, Two step,
All the way to jannah[/i][/b]
Vista gets more buggy for me everyday... that Com Surrogate thing won't go away and now I'm getting some message about "NTLDR missing"
I'm like 70% of the way to screen punching.
http://driveactivated.com/blog/archive/2006/12/11/vista-dual-booting-ntl...
May be of help. Maybe not.
Apart from that in looks, neither OSX nor windows have wobbly windows or spinning cube workplaces.
But then again eye candy can get annoying.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Oh well, I've paid for the laptop so might aswell use it. Macs are really expensive though.
And isn't it in the interests of every business to make money?...ok, don't answer that, I know what you're gonna say.
The only way I am going to convert to mac's will be when I either get the BlueScreenOfDeath, or when xp is discontinued.
I've always used windows, don't know much about mac but it looks like my support for windows may come to an end as I might not be upgrading to vista.
So, who will I stand with?....only time can tell.
When I had an NTLDR missing screen I couldn't start-up no matter what. NTLDR is one of the main files responsible for Windows boot-up. It is very annoying. After many days of frustration, using another computer I had to download a fix that now creates a wierd multilingual screen during boot-up, but I haven't had problems since.
The fix is [url=http://tinyempire.com/notes/files/fixntldr.exe]here[/url] and the instructions [url=http://tinyempire.com/notes/ntldrismissing.htm]here[/url]. However I would only use it if you have already tried the recovery console on the Windows bootable disk, or if you can be patient, request an installation disk from the manufacturer of the PC. This worked for XP. [b]Not sure about Vista.[/b]
Also plenty of suggestions [url=http://forums.techguy.org/search.php?searchid=720128&pp=50&page=2]here[/....
[size=10]The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.[/size]
[size=9]Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)[/size]
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