Wanton destruction of Palestine and Lebanon

You —

Salaam

I was not gonna start this topic.

Just too erm... I got no words to say. Nothing I can do.#

Just hopeless.

Destroying basic infrastructure is collective punishment. Its a breach of basic human rights. Blowing up power stations, water treatment facilities, bridges does not release a single prisoner.

Flying Jets through Syria as a 'gesture' to say you can't, shouldn't, wouldn't do anything is just gross.

And all this makes people angry.

Not the most fluent post ever. Not thinking straight enough to be. I am not angry. Just no idea what to feel. Or think. Or write.

(and I ruin a good topic by making it all me, me, me.)

[b]EDIT: Title updated ------------- Modnster [/b]

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MuslimBro — Sun, 6 Aug 2006 - 21:12

[quote="zara"]Hezbollah are hard to find cuz they have underground tunnels.[/quote]
Hezbollah are also using underground bunkers like the Israeli's, but Israel is using bunker busting missiles to destroy their targets. They're also trying to speed up the next shipment of missiles/bombs from the US.

The UK is also to blame as they're helping the US by letting their transport planes which are carrying the bombs to refuel in UK airports.

You — Sun, 6 Aug 2006 - 21:36

[quote="Muslim Bro"][quote="Admin"]What I severely dislike about this conflict is that its all about targetting civillians. Both sides are at it.[/quote]
Hezbollah's rocket's are inaccurate so it's more of a guess, it might hit civilians or it might not.

But Israel has the latest weaponary and their missiles are dead on their target so if a missile/bomb kills civilians, you can be sure that it was intentional.[/quote]

Aim for a city and you will hit civillians... no matter how good your aim is. Both Hezbollah and Israel should know this. (one other thing israel should know that even if you do hit your intended target with a 3000 pound bomb, if the target is in a populated area, when it goes boom! it will kill civillians...)

Today Hezbollah had some success. They managed to kill 12 members of the ITF in a missile strike. Kfar Giladi.

Sky news were more concerned over their deaths than civillians killed in the Lebanon.

Sajid Iqbal — Mon, 7 Aug 2006 - 20:31

[quote="The Great 100"][quote="zara"]:D
i love it when they kill s few soldiers. ( no offence to any isreali, by the way)[/quote]

May you be sleepless tonight.[/quote]
are you sleepless when 900 lebanese have been killed.... i doubt it... you defend it an dmake excuses for the murderous zionists...and you want your israelis to bomb em more, kill em more....

to you israeli blood is valuable and lebanese and palestinian blood means jack all...

The Great 100 — Mon, 7 Aug 2006 - 21:05

[quote="TheRevivalEditor"]are you sleepless when 900 lebanese have been killed.... i doubt it... [/quote]

Categorically. Du[i][/i]mb, unfeeling b*st*rd. And I don't celebrate the deaths of enemies such as Hizballah. Only vile scum think that way.

[quote="TheRevivalEditor"]you defend it an dmake excuses for the murderous zionists...and you want your israelis to bomb em more, kill em more....

to you israeli blood is valuable and lebanese and palestinian blood means jack all...[/quote]

No. D[i][/i]umb, unfeeling, arrogant self-glorifying narrowminded rude b*st*rd. I don't share those sentiments. Right now it is a struggle not to. But I believe most of those killed have been Hizballah, that Hizballah have been firing from civilian areas, and that Israel was bound to respond, Hizballah know this, you know this, Iran and Syria know this, latifa, Noor, zara, if you didn't, know this.

And let's be frank, if you argue in support of the destruction of Israel, it is your war. You can't accuse Israel of anything, because you are trying to destroy it. If you are not arguing from that, look around. In fact, you knew. You knew.

[b]EDIT ---------- Swearing has Been Censored. NewModOnTheBlock[/b]

Noor — Mon, 7 Aug 2006 - 21:39

" You can't accuse Israel of anything, because you are trying to destroy it."

Hmmmm :? , how the hell do you work that one out??? If we can't accuse Israel of KILLING, MURDERING innocent lives, who do WE accuse?! YOU

We are the ones destroying it??? Are you blind or something??? Its ON the bloody NEWS for GOD sake! Israel has destroyed the Muslims land! You stupid, thick IDIOT!

Sirus — Mon, 7 Aug 2006 - 21:47

ignore him.....as you can see from his above post, when he has no answers like most times, it results in swearing and being rude. i've seen animals with more manners

Sajid Iqbal — Mon, 7 Aug 2006 - 22:48

[quote="The Great 100"][quote="TheRevivalEditor"]are you sleepless when 900 lebanese have been killed.... i doubt it... [/quote]

Categorically. Du[i][/i]mb, unfeeling b*st*rd. And I don't celebrate the deaths of enemies such as Hizballah. Only vile scum think that way.

[quote="TheRevivalEditor"]you defend it an dmake excuses for the murderous zionists...and you want your israelis to bomb em more, kill em more....

to you israeli blood is valuable and lebanese and palestinian blood means jack all...[/quote]

No. D[i][/i]umb, unfeeling, arrogant self-glorifying narrowminded rude b*st*rd. I don't share those sentiments. Right now it is a struggle not to. But I believe most of those killed have been Hizballah, that Hizballah have been firing from civilian areas, and that Israel was bound to respond, Hizballah know this, you know this, Iran and Syria know this, Latifah, Noor, zara, if you didn't, know this.

And let's be frank, if you argue in support of the destruction of Israel, it is your war. You can't accuse Israel of anything, because you are trying to destroy it. If you are not arguing from that, look around. In fact, you knew. You knew.

[b]EDIT ---------- Swearing has Been Censored. NewModOnTheBlock[/b][/quote]

now now by boy...bad language is ...bad...you should know that...no more excuses left have you...so you gotta swear...dont blame ya.

nobody wants to destroy Israel.... everyone is against israeli massacre of over 900 people... but you can't see that. israel has a right to exist, of course it does... but not have right to illegally occupy, carry out state terrorism, war crimes, massacre of civilians,...

and get real most of 900 are not hizbollah...but civilians... take your blinkers off...have some guts and condemn these acts of war crimes...

of course we cant accuse israel of anything...how can we...bush and blair are too scared to do so... c'mon israel cant do anything wrong now can it?

zara — Tue, 8 Aug 2006 - 12:05

[quote="TheRevivalEditor"][quote="The Great 100"][quote="TheRevivalEditor"]are you sleepless when 900 lebanese have been killed.... i doubt it... [/quote]

Categorically. Du[i][/i]mb, unfeeling b*st*rd. And I don't celebrate the deaths of enemies such as Hizballah. Only vile scum think that way.

[quote="TheRevivalEditor"]you defend it an dmake excuses for the murderous zionists...and you want your israelis to bomb em more, kill em more....

to you israeli blood is valuable and lebanese and palestinian blood means jack all...[/quote]

No. D[i][/i]umb, unfeeling, arrogant self-glorifying narrowminded rude b*st*rd. I don't share those sentiments. Right now it is a struggle not to. But I believe most of those killed have been Hizballah, that Hizballah have been firing from civilian areas, and that Israel was bound to respond, Hizballah know this, you know this, Iran and Syria know this, Latifah, Noor, zara, if you didn't, know this.

And let's be frank, if you argue in support of the destruction of Israel, it is your war. You can't accuse Israel of anything, because you are trying to destroy it. If you are not arguing from that, look around. In fact, you knew. You knew.

[b]EDIT ---------- Swearing has Been Censored. NewModOnTheBlock[/b][/quote]

now now by boy...bad language is ...bad...you should know that...no more excuses left have you...so you gotta swear...dont blame ya.

nobody wants to destroy Israel.... everyone is against israeli massacre of over 900 people... but you can't see that. israel has a right to exist, of course it does... but not have right to illegally occupy, carry out state terrorism, war crimes, massacre of civilians,...

and get real most of 900 are not hizbollah...but civilians... take your blinkers off...have some guts and condemn these acts of war crimes...

of course we cant accuse israel of anything...how can we...bush and blair are too scared to do so... c'mon israel cant do anything wrong now can it?[/quote]

in your face, 100, and you said only vile scum are happy when their enemies are killed, yet you don't seem upset when lebanese and palestinians die, you don't give a damn, so now we know what [i]you[/i] really are- vile scum

Anonymous (not verified) — Tue, 8 Aug 2006 - 13:33

[quote="Raj"]Is there actually a point to topics like these? :?[/quote]

You tell us? Did you read it all the way through?

Raj — Tue, 8 Aug 2006 - 13:54

[quote="(*_Shazan"][quote="Raj"]Is there actually a point to topics like these? :?[/quote]

You tell us? Did you read it all the way through?[/quote]

No I didn't I don't read such hogwash.

Anonymous (not verified) — Tue, 8 Aug 2006 - 14:12

[quote="Raj"][quote="(*_Shazan"][quote="Raj"]Is there actually a point to topics like these? :?[/quote]

You tell us? Did you read it all the way through?[/quote]

No I didn't I don't read such hogwash.[/quote]]

That is an ignorant thing to say without having reading the topic form the start dismiss it as that :roll:

Raj — Tue, 8 Aug 2006 - 15:24

[quote="*_Noor_*"][quote="Raj"]
No I didn't I don't read such hogwash.[/quote]

How is discussing the state of lebanon rubbish?[/quote]

Its pointless. If you believe in mythological teaching then you will never be free. Firstly you should understand what you know and know that you know nothing.

Raj — Tue, 8 Aug 2006 - 15:26

[quote="(*_Shazan"][quote="Raj"][quote="(*_Shazan"][quote="Raj"]Is there actually a point to topics like these? :?[/quote]

You tell us? Did you read it all the way through?[/quote]

No I didn't I don't read such hogwash.[/quote]]

That is an ignorant thing to say without having reading the topic form the start dismiss it as that :roll:[/quote]

This topic is going to be biased, why waste time reading biased articles?

khan — Tue, 8 Aug 2006 - 17:11

[quote="The Great 100"]Categorically. Du[i][/i]mb, unfeeling b*st*rd. And I don't celebrate the deaths of enemies such as Hizballah. Only vile scum think that way.
No. D[i][/i]umb, unfeeling, arrogant self-glorifying narrowminded rude b*st*rd. I don't share those sentiments. Right now it is a struggle not to. But I believe most of those killed have been Hizballah, that Hizballah have been firing from civilian areas, and that Israel was bound to respond, Hizballah know this, you know this, Iran and Syria know this, Latifah, Noor, zara, if you didn't, know this.

And let's be frank, if you argue in support of the destruction of Israel, it is your war. You can't accuse Israel of anything, because you are trying to destroy it. If you are not arguing from that, look around. In fact, you knew. You knew.

[b]EDIT ---------- Swearing has Been Censored. NewModOnTheBlock[/b][/quote]

y aint that zionist **** banned?

he's acting just like the Zionists in Israel.. you come into Muslim turf.. u insult us,.. ur bretheren go into the Holy lands and you kill our children.. wtf.. cheek.

mate ur nation has fu**ed up silly in Israel.. its sad, the Jews have to end up like this.. its disgusting.. the true Bani Israel all seem to have died in vein.. awww maaan.

think about how deep this sh*t goes.. mate, I really feel for the real Jews that are out there.

Anonymous (not verified) — Tue, 8 Aug 2006 - 19:11

[quote="Raj"]

That is an ignorant thing to say without having reading the topic form the start dismiss it as that :roll:[/quote]

This topic is going to be biased, why waste time reading biased articles?[/quote]

Biased- well that depends who you interpret events in the Middle East, as a Muslim I see the Palestinian conflict from the eyes of a victim .

Clearly your wasting your own time by posting is subjects which you know nothing about nor the compassion to understand.

You — Tue, 8 Aug 2006 - 21:26

Zara, you are asking a few good questions.

I will short (read very short, maybe incorrect answers...)

Zionists are more or less people who support the State of Israel.

Women can take part in jihad, as its of many types.

About actually fighting, its discouraged, but I am sure if one is attacked she should defend herself...

MuslimBro — Tue, 8 Aug 2006 - 22:54

[quote="Admin"]About actually fighting, its discouraged, but I am sure if one is attacked she should defend herself...[/quote]
The Prophet (Peace be upon him) and his Companions (Allah be well pleased with them all) fought in battles and I'm sure they were all men.

As to whether you can defend yourself:
[quote]by Shaykh Abdurrahman ibn Yusuf Mangera

Islam is a practical religion. It is certainly permissible to defend oneself and ward of one's aggressors. The Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam said, "Whoever is killed protecting his wealth is a martyr. Whoever is killed protecting his family is a martyr..." (Ahmed and Tirmidhi). Allama Ibn 'Abidin states:

"If a person is traveling and he came across some dacoits, it is permissible for him to kill them, even if they did not attack him but attacked others, due to relieving the people of their harm" (Radd al-Muhtar 3:180). As such, it would also be permissible to relieve the hijackers of their knives or other weapons and dispose of them.[/quote]
I think the word HIM & HIS in the quote also refers to women.

*DUST* — Wed, 9 Aug 2006 - 00:55

[quote="Admin"]About actually fighting, its discouraged, but I am sure if one is attacked she should defend herself...[/quote]
zara - i'm not so sure about admin and muslim bros' view on the above.

Nusaybah bint Ka'b (r.a) was a sahabiyah famous for the part she played in the Battle of Uhud. she was in the small group who defended the Prophet (s.a.w) when half his army fled. and among many other battles, she also took part in Yamamah, in the army of Khalid ibn al-Walid (r.a), when Abu Bakr (r.a) was Khalifah.