Muslim Unity-What Does It Mean To YOU?

MuslimSister —

Salaam

I don’t know what type of high school you guys went to…but in my high school there were many cliques.

We had the “popular/pretty girls” we had the “Gangsters/Rude bwoys” we had the “geeks/nerd” we had the “arty farty” type, we had the “Coconuts” we had the “Freshies” and many more.

It just wasn’t the done thing for the “popular mean girls” to associate with the “nerds” and the “Coconuts” and “freshies” spent all their time making fun out of each other.

And depending on which group you were part what determined where you could sit at lunch, what you could wear and even what grades you could get in school…

It was incredibility important to “stick to your own” you couldn’t be seen with someone in a less socially acceptable group as yours….

The Muslim Ummah is the same…..we have our “groups” and spent a lot of or time dissing other groups and constructing barriers.

Personally, I have no reservations with associating with those who you may want to work with and/or just happen to share similar beliefs and ideologies…..however, problems arise when people begin to consider themselves more “superior” or “guided” then others…

The likes of Hadrat Abu Bakr (ra) wished that they were a blade of grass so they wouldnt have to go through accountability...so one cant help but marvel at our own high level of confidence...

When people talk of unity, this does not mean uniformity. It does not mean that we should look alike, eat alike, dress or think alike. It does not mean that we should not have any differences in opinions. This is diversity, not disunity.

Diversity is known as being a blessing whilst disunity is a curse.

There were differences of opinion in fiqh among the Companions, their followers, and great Mujahideen. But they did not turn these into fights. They disagreed but they maintained respect and love for each other. The brotherhood remained intact. They had tolerance for the other view.

We spent SO much of our precious time trying to prove people wrong and trying to show off how “guided” we may be…

Other then an ego boost I see little benefit in trying to prove how/why others are astray…

And even if our intensive “research” and “proof” does determine how/why others are astray and we are guided……will we receive a gold medal from above? Will it guarantee us a place in Paradise?

And what about if we’re wrong…does our extreme confidence or arrogance prevent us from thinking that maybe we can be wrong?

Anyway, I’m babbling here…and what I really wanted to ask was what does Muslim Unity mean to YOU?

Does it mean being “United” with your Muslim brothers and sisters when it suits you?

Does it mean picking and choosing who you wish to tolerate or not?

Does Muslim unity depend on the extent to which you think other Muslims are right?

Does it mean Unity in public but hatred and insults behind closed doors? Too many people spend their time banging on about Unity but its just a show….

Or is Muslim Unity is a myth…is it impossible to even speak to those whom YOU think are not “true Muslims”?

Will we ever get out of the 15year old high school mentality where we do nothing but bitch about how bad/stupid others are and how perfect we are?

Share your thoughts…

Wasalaam

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Omrow — Tue, 10 Jan 2006 - 18:42

Salam

Clearly Med is an extremist. His twisted version of Islam has made him a fanatic.

I bet he would kill anyone whom he views as an infidel. Its people like him that encourage terrorists.

Omrow

MuslimSisLilSis — Tue, 10 Jan 2006 - 18:44

[quote="Med"]
[size=24] If a shi'te is known to utter slander on Sahaabah Karaam then I support his extra-judicial killing. [/size]

.[/quote]

So Med-am I lying?

Did I put words in your mouh?

Did you not say that?

Please explain to me my lie so that I may see the errors of my ways

MuslimSisLilSis — Tue, 10 Jan 2006 - 18:47

[quote="Med"]

It is from ALLAH's mercy that He has not made me like you.

.[/quote]

Ditto

[quote="Med"]

. For now you can continue in your misunderstanding.

.[/quote]

Yes. We're all confused individuals. Only you are the all wise enlightened one.

MuslimSisLilSis — Tue, 10 Jan 2006 - 18:53

[quote="Med"]

er . . . LilSis teeny weeny suggestion?

[/quote]

er.....Med teeny weeny Question.

Why bang on about supporting extra-judicial killing of shia's and then delete ur posts and accuse me of being a liar?

MuslimSisLilSis — Tue, 10 Jan 2006 - 18:58

Uff.

I don't care if we disagree.

But why delete your posts.

loads of people visit this public forum-why delete what u said?

it makes a person think you have sumin to hide

are u ashamed of ur fanatic tendencies?

MuslimSisLilSis — Tue, 10 Jan 2006 - 19:03

[quote="Beast"]Maybe he doesn't want Naj to read what he said.

:?[/quote]

I doubt it-

if that was the case he shud delete all his views about daughters being a headache and how brides must be depressed on their wedding day

MuslimSisLilSis — Tue, 10 Jan 2006 - 19:08

[quote="Beast"]Maybe he's afraid that a few Shias might read it and beat him up.

:?[/quote]

Is that the reason Med?

You might as well tell us otherwise we'll spend all our time speculating

Beast — Tue, 10 Jan 2006 - 19:42

[quote="Med"]I have become complacent in speech.

My posts are no longer pointed, they meander.

This malady should be rectified.[/quote]

So you deleted your posts because of their literary unremarkableness.

Dave — Tue, 10 Jan 2006 - 20:17

[quote="Med"]I have become complacent in speech.

My posts are no longer pointed, they meander.

This malady should be rectified.[/quote]

Hai Ku.

5 syllables, then 7 then 5, and then 2 lines of 7 each.

This will definitely make your posts more concise - AND stylistically interesting!

Medarris — Tue, 10 Jan 2006 - 21:46

[color=green]The basis of unity is to sustain the limits of the Deen. And this unity will remain as long as there is Taqwa.[/color]

[color=olive]-- Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi[/color]

equanimity — Tue, 10 Jan 2006 - 22:19

islam is at its most disunited than ever before

It saddens me dearly to see how islam is at the weakest point ever in its illustrious history

Islam was once a hugh empire streching from africa to southern europe to india and to malaysia

islam is now broken into seperate states , seperate sects and seperate beliefs

We as muslims cannot even decide a day to celebrate our greatest festivals of eid toghether. We have formed sects and divisions and then are proud to be part of them, I.e we have one group who constantly disagrees with the other and shouts shirk and biddah at every opputunity it can, then we have the group that is too stubborn to see there faults and screams at anybody different to them as crazy wahhabis.

There are estimately just under a billion muslims in the world , muslim countries own vital resources such as oil, islam is the largest growing religion in the world, just count the muslim countries in the world on a map,

If Islam and muslims unite
THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS

MuslimSister — Tue, 10 Jan 2006 - 23:37

[quote="Omrow"]I disagree. This thread shows unity. You are wearing different goggles.[/quote]

I disagree.

Here the murder of our fellow Muslims was discussed because of strong disagreements with their beliefs.

I don't know why you see social solidarity when there isnt any.

You — Tue, 10 Jan 2006 - 23:42

The thing is Med could have almost justified alot of his anti-shia views by just quoting an aayah.

But what can never be justified is extr-judicial killings in any manner.

SSP are a terrorist group. Their leaders should be tried and punished for the murder they have supported...

How he will never understand Unity.

Its not about agreeing. Its about agreeing when to agree, and when to disagree.

Originally there were very few shias. If the Sunnis wanted to eradicate them they probably could have. They did not. Why? why did they not do what is being asked today? maybe because it was not justified...

MuslimSister — Tue, 10 Jan 2006 - 23:50

[quote="Admin"]

SSP are a terrorist group. Their leaders should be tried and punished for the murder they have supported...

[/quote]

This is the first I heard of the SSP.

Does such violence only take place in Pakistan. Are they present in any other countries?

Omrow — Tue, 10 Jan 2006 - 23:52

Salam

Anyone can quote a verse from a holy book to justify anything.

As they say: Even the Devil can quote Scripture for his own ends.

What do you think radical clerics do. They use holy texts from
the Quran, or the Bible, to brainwash their followers into committing atrocious acts.

The result of this can be loss of many innocent lives all over the world.

Pakistan is in the middle of a sectarian war that is waging with intense ferocity:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3170970.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3724082.stm

Omrow