muslim integration

[quote="salaf"]Well you still seem to be suggesting that the Holocaust should be taught in order to make people think a certain way. Thats bordering on mind control in my opinion.[/quote]No, I'm not.

[quote]Why can't you just teach kids that racism and killing is wrong. I don't see how using pictures and films to scare them (with the assumed hope that this will make them not be anti-semitic) is any different from what they do with children in Totalitarian states.[/quote]So again, you've followed through on an assertion before I had a chance to answer it. Not sporting, and pretty telling in this instance. I mean, what is with this 'mind control' BS? Do you often accuse people of that?

[quote="100man"][quote="salaf"]Well you still seem to be suggesting that the Holocaust should be taught in order to make people think a certain way. Thats bordering on mind control in my opinion.[/quote]No, I'm not.

[quote]Why can't you just teach kids that racism and killing is wrong. I don't see how using pictures and films to scare them (with the assumed hope that this will make them not be anti-semitic) is any different from what they do with children in Totalitarian states.[/quote]So again, you've followed through on an assertion before I had a chance to answer it. Not sporting, and pretty telling in this instance. I mean, what is with this 'mind control' BS? Do you often accuse people of that?[/quote]

Okay maybe "mind control" is a bit of a strong word but I'm not an expert in this field so I don't know what the standard word for it would be.

Basically I mean using emotional stimuli in order to gain a certain reaction. Its not incredibly sophisticated but it' still wrong especially with young children. If you believe that people are basically rational then such things shouldn't be necessary.

I have no problem with the Holocaust being taught as an historical subject but I am against it being used for the purpose of seeking to engineer people's attitudes. That includes teaching primary school children about it.

The holocaust is 'emotional stimuli in order to gain a certain reaction'? Teaching children about the holocaust is an exercise in 'engineering people's attitudes'? Sounds ugly. Whatever, I'm sure there's loads of ifs and buts about holocaust education. You and your ambiguity can jus' chill and talk about it all you like.

[quote="Constantine"][quote="100man"]There is an A-level in Islamic Studies.[/quote]

That bothers me...

Maybe it's just my American background but any time a government is implimenting a [i]religious[/i] history or religious study into its curriculum - especially on the mandatory education level; I get a little worried.[/quote]
funnily enuf no1 picked up on this... :|

Dave, 'A-level' is not mandatory education... mandatory education is upto the age of 16, culminating in 'GCSE' exams. after that u can do what u want. those who choose to go on to college (2 years) for 'A-levels' can choose whatever subjects they like... and Islamic Studies happens to be on offer. for that matter, GCSE Islamic Studies is also on offer, but it is, again, in no way compulsory.

[quote="Aasiyah"][quote="Constantine"][quote="100man"]There is an A-level in Islamic Studies.[/quote]

That bothers me...

Maybe it's just my American background but any time a government is implimenting a [i]religious[/i] history or religious study into its curriculum - especially on the mandatory education level; I get a little worried.[/quote]
funnily enuf no1 picked up on this... :|

Dave, 'A-level' is not mandatory education... mandatory education is upto the age of 16, culminating in 'GCSE' exams. after that u can do what u want. those who choose to go on to college (2 years) for 'A-levels' can choose whatever subjects they like... and Islamic Studies happens to be on offer. for that matter, GCSE Islamic Studies is also on offer, but it is, again, in no way compulsory.[/quote]

Ahh.. well... there it is

lol well then that's a horse of a different color. Green, as it were.

I'M GLAD EVERYONE EXCEPT AASIYAH WAS CONTENT HAVING ME LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT.

its not ur fault, our education system is completely different to the American one (i'm sure most ppl here wudnt hav an idea of how it works there either). 😉

[quote="Aasiyah"]its not ur fault, our education system is completely different to the American one (i'm sure most ppl here wudnt hav an idea of how it works there either). :wink:[/quote]

lol crazy crazy brits.

Our education system needs revamped big time - we are losing out to China in some important sectors like engineering, at a time the economic world is talking about specialist outsourcing.

lol it's funny we are taught this stuff in private schools where it is assumed we are "the leaders of tomorrow" but not in the public schools.

I wonder if that's indicative of aristocratic tendancies in the US political system.

That's neither here nor there - am I correct in assuming Britain has no civics courses?

[quote="Constantine"]
I'M GLAD EVERYONE EXCEPT AASIYAH WAS CONTENT HAVING ME LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT.[/quote]

Glad to oblige.

i remember learning about the crusaders in history, they mentioned richard the lionheart, raved on about him like he was an honourable man. But the muslims were never really mentioned Salahuddin never heard his name at school. Surely if you teach a subject both sides of the story should be given. History classes in the brit education system is prob the most lacking. i thght it was really pathetic.

The most we learnt about religion was christians visit churches their sabbath day is sunday. Here's a picture of a church let's go visit one kids! Same was done with temples, gudwaras, mosques, and synagogues tis was a joke. Considering this was secondary school loooooooool. No depth to the topics.

I think we touched upon the holocaust but i don't think we learnt about the real horrors no depth again.

Black history slavery, never heard of it in school.

The depression yeah heard so much about that i nearly died from it.

We made lots of pretty pictures, displays maps for history i can't say i really learned much from it.

[quote="yashmaki"]
We made lots of pretty pictures, displays maps for history i can't say i really learned much from it.[/quote]

yup thats what we did in RE

Also sticking to the topic:

Q.What do you get if you integrate one over (cabins)?

A.Natural Log cabins! hahahahaha
😂 😂 😂

Okay, being honest now, how many people got that?

Not me. [img]http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/148/rubchin00061lq.gif[/img]

[quote="yashmaki"]The depression yeah heard so much about that i nearly died from it.[/quote]
lol, i can definitely agree with you on that one!
it put me off choosing history as a GCSE option

In history we did loads of work on WWI and WWII, a alot on the English/British monarchy from the Tudors to the Stuarts, a bit on Black history (slave trade etc)...cant really remember much else.

In R.E at GCSE level in the fist year everyone had to take Judaism, in the second year you either took Christainity or Islam. Our R.E teacher was quite good. I learnt more about Islam at school than i did at the mosque, which is quite shameful really.

[size=9]Dawud, i think i kinda got that one[/size]

[quote="Fatima"]In R.E at GCSE level in the fist year everyone had to take Judaism[/quote]

8)

Going back to the education system... I remember during junior school (that is year 2-6?)

Learning about the aztecs, ad their religion, about the amazon rainforest, the river nile about rubber production in malaysia...something else about malaysia...

and we did not learn that much in senior school... apart from the bloody tudors and stuarts! I hated them with a passion at that point. teach us about some good wars or summat!

(Or maybe I have my memories mixed up?)

then there was william the conqueror, Christopher columbus, and his spanish funding (cometo think about it... this was only a couple of years after spain rechristianitified... why the muslims not emntioned?). We were taught abit about the crusades... and then onto WW1 and WW2.

Now ww1 was interesting. ww2 more of the same...

[quote="yashmaki"]i remember learning about the crusaders in history, they mentioned richard the lionheart, raved on about him like he was an honourable man. But the muslims were never really mentioned Salahuddin never heard his name at school. Surely if you teach a subject both sides of the story should be given. History classes in the brit education system is prob the most lacking. i thght it was really pathetic.

The most we learnt about religion was christians visit churches their sabbath day is sunday. Here's a picture of a church let's go visit one kids! Same was done with temples, gudwaras, mosques, and synagogues tis was a joke. Considering this was secondary school loooooooool. No depth to the topics.

I think we touched upon the holocaust but i don't think we learnt about the real horrors no depth again.

Black history slavery, never heard of it in school.

The depression yeah heard so much about that i nearly died from it.

We made lots of pretty pictures, displays maps for history i can't say i really learned much from it.[/quote]
I remember we spent a quite a bit of time the on Islamic History in sometime in the first couple of years. (I can't really remember what about though!)

We studied the holocaust quite a bit though

I can't remember black slavery though.

Most of it was modern world history, about countries like Germany, USA, 'USSR' and Britain of course. We spent an awful lot of time on the Nazis. But I'm not complaining as it was interesting.

The Religious Education was a joke though. I recall sitting in a lesson drawing 'mendhi' patterns so we could stick them on a wall for display. And that was one of the better lessons too.

[quote="Enver"]Not me. [img]http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/148/rubchin00061lq.gif[/img][/quote]

hmm lets see:

pretend 'S' is the grrek letter 'sigma' when used for integration:

Y=logeX

(NOTATION: lgX = logeX )

take antilogs:

e^Y = e^(lgX) = X

d(e^Y)/dx = d(X)/dx

(e^Y)*dy/dx = 1

therefor: dy/dx = 1/(e^Y)

but: e^Y = X

so: dy/dx = 1/X

that is: d(lgX)/dx = 1/X

thus integrating both sides with respect to X :

S (d(lgX)/dx) dx = S 1/X dx

cancelling gives:

logeX = S 1/X dx

or to neaten it up.

S (1/X) dx = lgX

QED.

😃 🙂 8) 🙂

I take it you did A-level Maths.

[img]http://www.hmz.stuph.org/ranimg/girls-are-evil.jpg[/img]

uh huh 😃

Salam

Let me translate what Con said above, so that simple Aseya can understand.

" The bouquet means nothing:

He doesn't really like you. You are ugly and bad."

Omrow

[quote="Constantine"][img]http://www.hmz.stuph.org/ranimg/girls-are-evil.jpg[/img][/quote]

coming from a jealous boy that is understandable, there there.....just go shoppin, you'll feel much better 😃

[quote="Constantine"][img]http://www.hmz.stuph.org/ranimg/girls-are-evil.jpg[/img][/quote]

lol, seen that b4!

whoever wrote tht is obviously a du[size=12]m[/size]b boy coz everyone knows 'and' is represented by a '+' sign ('x' stands for 'of'), so he's got it wrong from the very first line! 😂

constantine- interesting interpretation

i always thought boys were the evil ones. maybe someone can prove me wrong

has anyone ever been discriminated against for wearing a hijab or having a beard?

found this on bbc website, what you think???

[color=blue]"There is a Five Point Plan that has been created by a leading scholar in the UK for a brighter and prosperous future for British Muslims. 1) Become an active citizen, 2) Engage in politics, 3) Help to raise educational acheivements of school children, 4) Build stronger families, 5) 'Walk your talk' and LIVE ISLAM - With these five points - a British Muslim is fuly mixing with society but also is God-conscious as to not prohibit Islamic principles

Ismail, Preston"[/color]

[color=green]I am a Muslim, not a "British Muslim", but a Muslim! No-one speaks for "British Muslims" because there is no such thing as a "British Muslim!" You are either a Muslim, or you’re not a Muslim, simple! All us Muslims belong to One Ummah, so there cannot be "British Muslims", "Bangladeshi Muslims", "Pakistani Muslims", "Saudi Arabia Muslims", etc... Because there are no such things, you’re a Muslim and a Muslim only! No-one has the political power except Allah The Almighty! No, there is not a political voice representing my community where I live.
To me, being "British" means nothing! Being a "British Muslim" means even less!

BURHAN UDDIN, SWANSEA [/color]

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=504&&&edition=1&tt…

[quote="fizzy1"][color=green]I am a Muslim, not a "British Muslim", but a Muslim! No-one speaks for "British Muslims" because there is no such thing as a "British Muslim!" You are either a Muslim, or you’re not a Muslim, simple! All us Muslims belong to One Ummah, so there cannot be "British Muslims", "Bangladeshi Muslims", "Pakistani Muslims", "Saudi Arabia Muslims", etc... Because there are no such things, you’re a Muslim and a Muslim only! No-one has the political power except Allah The Almighty! No, there is not a political voice representing my community where I live.
To me, being "British" means nothing! Being a "British Muslim" means even less!

BURHAN UDDIN, SWANSEA [/color]

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=504&&&edition=1&tt…]

I don't know what kind of Muslim that is but what a rubbish citizen!

[quote="salaf"]Slavery is taught but as part of American history. Not because it's expected to decrease racism.[/quote]

True - but teaching about the Civil Rights movement is also part of the American Curriculum and the point of that is both historical and to decrease racism.

Perhaps British schools could do something similar by teaching about the way asians were treated when they first came to Britain

what?

You mean say the british history was anyway less than glorious?

what treachery!

i can imagine that going down well.

but usually when they talk about those things its in the past and with hindsight, nazis, slavery etc. think asian history is too fresh to be taught objetively.

[color=darkblue]do you think muslims get as good jobs as everyone else?

do they generally have good careers compared to the non muslims?[/color]

yes