Pack Your Bags I’m Taking You to Pakistan…

[quote="(*_Shazan"][quote="yuit"]
No one trying to debunk ur agrument, at the end of the day your in the right asking for justice, no one is doubting that, all i saying is how by trying to make a whole genration of present pakistani accountable for the act of past generation, is it going to help ur cause? At the end of the day this hadith say it all IMO, i jut showing concern for today muslims as we are brother of each others. U just need to be more careful how u phrase things IMO.
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We are brothers? You feel no animosity towards me? Let’s shake hands and wave a Pakistani flag[/quote]

Nah, i have a nice flag of the shahadah instead. :? But to be honest bro, can't tell if u being sarky or not.

[quote="yuit"]
Nah, i have a nice flag of the shahadah instead. :? But to be honest bro, can't tell if u being sarky or not.[/quote]

Only a little sarcastic :roll:

erm... why was my question ignored?

yes pakistan has not got better freedom than here but overall you wouldnt disrespect ur parents or family or any 1 compared to here.

when you die are you gona take your land with you? where u grew up? or rather ur heart..

[quote="Admin"]erm... why was my question ignored?[/quote]

And the Bihari soldiers aligned themselves with Pakistan- divine an conquer – show me your document .

[b]Pakistan betrayed them too[/b]

Its not from a document.

I was talking to someone knowledgeable about Kashmir.

That was an offhand remark he made.

I did not ask him about Bangladesh.

I am asking you.

I share no guilt over what happened .I share no responsibility over it.

Nor does anyone on here.

But you are passionate, so I asked you about the grouping of the soldiers. I would assume you have looked into it.

Weere they punjabs, Balochi's sindhi's sarhadi's or bengli's?

I know that Sarhadi's (and Balochi's) helped out in kashmir in 1947.

And people from east pakistan were discriminated against in getting into the armed forces, because there was a minimum height restriction.

So I am asking who was involved.

[quote="Admin"]Its not from a document.

I share no guilt over what happened .I share no responsibility over it.

Nor does anyone on here.

And people from east pakistan were discriminated against in getting into the armed forces, because there was a minimum height restriction.

So I am asking who was involved.[/quote]

I’m not asking for sympathy, nor hold you responsible or any other British born Pakistani responsible for your countries crimes- however for Muslim to seek justice all must come to together and vocally express these war criminals are brought to Justice- this includes the God fearing Pakistani with a conscience.

Already a well documented historic fact many or if not the majority of the soldier’s station in Bangladesh where of Punjabi ethnic origin and Bihari (Urdu speaking Bengali) – once Pakistan was defeated the Bihari became refugee’s, effectively Pakistan cut of all ties with them and did not give them asylum in Pakistan. And Indira Gandhi, expressed full support of her government to the Bangladeshi struggle for freedom

It wasn’t just discrimination into the military you forgot to mention the economic exploitation of east Bangladesh, a systematic campaign to make the Bangladesh subserviently to it’s colonial masters. Mass arrests of dissidents began, and attempts were made to disarm East Pakistani soldiers and police, many of Bangladesh top academics and intellects where assassinated.

[quote="(*_Shazan"][quote="Admin"]Its not from a document.

I share no guilt over what happened .I share no responsibility over it.

Nor does anyone on here.

And people from east pakistan were discriminated against in getting into the armed forces, because there was a minimum height restriction.

So I am asking who was involved.[/quote]

I’m not asking for sympathy, nor hold you responsible or any other British born Pakistani responsible for your countries crimes- however for Muslim to seek justice all must come to together and vocally express these war criminals are brought to Justice- this includes the God fearing Pakistani with a conscience.

Already a well documented historic fact many or if not the majority of the soldier’s station in Bangladesh where of Punjabi ethnic origin and Bihari (Urdu speaking Bengali) – once Pakistan was defeated the Bihari became refugee’s, effectively Pakistan cut of all ties with them and did not give them asylum in Pakistan. And Indira Gandhi, expressed full support of her government to the Bangladeshi struggle for freedom

It wasn’t just discrimination into the military you forgot to mention the economic exploitation of east Bangladesh, a systematic campaign to make the Bangladesh subserviently to it’s colonial masters. Mass arrests of dissidents began, and attempts were made to disarm East Pakistani soldiers and police, many of Bangladesh top academics and intellects where assassinated.[/quote]

I dont mean to be rude Shazan but like what you chattin bout, like with the bengalis and all the other stuff you sed ma brain dont get ya sorry lol

Omrow that was way out of line. You need to learn when to quit fooling around this isn't the appropriate time for your so called humour :!:

[quote="RuBz"]I dont mean to be rude Shazan but like what you chattin bout, like with the bengalis and all the other stuff you sed ma brain dont get ya sorry lol[/quote]

We are discussing genocide- I’ am being rude, either go back to sleep or read up on history

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[quote="yuit"]

Thats cool, anyway good luck with your Virtual Jihad :roll:

Also use some adaab as well, you seem to mock muslims when they ask you the simplest question, enquiry or express their opinion and then go on like you doing something great for Islam. If you under 16 it cool, if not [/quote]

Yuti, if this is the best polemic that you can muster, then I suggest you join a Sufi sect and start in the group dancing, you are not cut out to be a Salafist.

[quote="(*_Shazan"][quote="yuit"]

Thats cool, anyway good luck with your Virtual Jihad :roll:

Also use some adaab as well, you seem to mock muslims when they ask you the simplest question, enquiry or express their opinion and then go on like you doing something great for Islam. If you under 16 it cool, if not [/quote]

Yuti, if this is the best polemic that you can muster, then I suggest you join a Sufi sect and start in the group dancing, you are not cut out to be a Salafist.[/quote]
guys - thats enough. cut it out.

[quote="(*_Shazan"][quote="RuBz"]I dont mean to be rude Shazan but like what you chattin bout, like with the bengalis and all the other stuff you sed ma brain dont get ya sorry lol[/quote]

We are discussing genocide- I’ am being rude, either go back to sleep or read up on history[/quote]

Erm n people wonder y Muslims cant unite these days u duffus!

[quote="RuBz"][quote="(*_Shazan"][quote="RuBz"]I dont mean to be rude Shazan but like what you chattin bout, like with the bengalis and all the other stuff you sed ma brain dont get ya sorry lol[/quote]

We are discussing genocide- I’ am being rude, either go back to sleep or read up on history[/quote]

Erm n people wonder y Muslims cant unite these days u duffus![/quote]

Common flaw among young muslims... too sure of themselves they are.

Unwilling to look past their differences to see their similarities.

United we can stand divided we shall...

Fall?

lol Muslim Unity is such a buzz word.

Every group uses it to justify their existence or their actions - in fact as a very general rule it seems like the groups that shout it the loudest are usually the most fringe.

Have you guys ever been unified? It seems like the only person to accomplish that was your prophet.

Because immediately following that you started having disputes about who should lead, doctrinal differences and you never really came back together.

Even the "Caliphate" seems a bit of an illusion - it ignores the shifting dynasties doctrinal differences held in check by threat of force and the eventual severing of the empire into two portions - Spain and the rest. Followed by massive revolts from within and invasions from without, by other muslims like the Turks.

It doesn't even seem like you can decide why to unify or to unify around what. Most people say "Islam" but honestly - is bin Laden offering you Islam when he asks for muslim unity? Are Wahhabis offering you Islam when they ask for muslim unity? - Is MPAC offering you Islam?

It's always issue driven "drive out the kaffir from muslim lands" "end oppression against muslims" "destroy dangerous heresies trying to destroy Islam."

Those are temporary states - problems that face the entire muslim world, and while it certainly can be helped through islamic "unity" how is political unity or a Caliphate really going to make a difference. And once those problems are solved... then what? All of a sudden you have this thing of unity built around addressing temporary problems and you don't know what to do with it when they are gone.

For unity of any kind to be meaningful and last it must be built on an honest lasting foundation.

So it seems to me that the temporary togetherness you are essentially buying from the Bengalis by asking them to set it aside and let it go for the sake of "unity" so that it will be easier to facilitate dealing with Islam's temporary problems is building on false foundations - which will collapse when these problems go away.

But actual reconciliation that derives from Pakistan accepting what it did and making positive steps to prevent it in the future - thereby regaining the trust and sense of common direction from Bengalis - creates a better foundation for lasting unity built around the idea of mutual trust and common direction in Islam, which are long term reasons for unity - not answers for short term problems.

So that makes me think that both Shazan and Yuit are talking about the same thing - unity. But I think Shazan's is more in the long term lasting direction kind of way.

Neither of you are using unity as an excuse or misdirection for hidden desires to see nationalist agendas put forward. So it's not right to accuse each another of not caring about preserving brotherhood.

You're just looking at the same thing from two very different angles.

[quote="Seraphim"][quote="RuBz"][quote="(*_Shazan"][quote="RuBz"]I dont mean to be rude Shazan but like what you chattin bout, like with the bengalis and all the other stuff you sed ma brain dont get ya sorry lol[/quote]

We are discussing genocide- I’ am being rude, either go back to sleep or read up on history[/quote]

Erm n people wonder y Muslims cant unite these days u duffus![/quote]

Common flaw among young muslims... too sure of themselves they are.

Unwilling to look past their differences to see their similarities.

United we can stand divided we shall...[/quote]

What ever has befallen my people, my Ummah has befallen before me

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although i don't agree entirely with some of brother Yuits views on the subject one thing i agree with is manners. Who wants to give time to someone who can't give you some basic respect? No matter what the argument maybe if you can't command some common curtesy to the person you're addressing, it's best you keep silent altogether, coz it will fall to deaf ears.

I doubt brother Shazan would take kindly to anyone speaking disrespectfully to his own brother or sister, so maybe he should think twice about speaking with such contempt towards members on this forum, simply because they lack knowledge on the subject. Yes we lack knowledge we have admitted that, but rubbing it in our face won't make you a better person or further your cause.

I'm sure there are subjects out there on which you lack knowledge how would you feel if someone spoke to you rudely simply because of that?

[quote="yashmaki"]although i don't agree entirely with some of brother Yuits views on the subject one thing i agree with is manners. Who wants [/quote]

Blah Blah Blah…………. Await a full response from me. 😉

LOL i have never been threatened with this and don't think i ever will. i dont think thats because im a goody-two-shoes because my brother has never been threatened by this either. but i have heard of people who have been sent away when they are really bad or whatever.

Last time i went to pakistan was when i was 8/9 and it was great, i loved it there! 🙂

my mom always goes to me shes sending me to yemen to learn everything the hard way
but its an empty threat because she knows i would like it there 🙂 but not the education system from what ive heard
my bro was gonna get sent to somala for getting excluded aswell but he begged my mum not to coz its hell over there

Its been used once or twice in our house.

But its an empty threat. Parents lov us too much.

[quote=Dave]lol I guess if I had really rotten kids there is nothing preventing me from sending them to Pakistan.

Actually it might be even better because they wouldn't have any family there - just drop em off at the airport with ten bucks and their own bratty ingenuity

FIGURE AT ONE OUT KIDS!!

AAAAHAHHAHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHHAHHAHHHAHHA <= Dave

In some places that's considered child abuse.

I bet it's not in Pakistan[/quote]

Just had to quote this.

[quote=You][quote=Dave]lol I guess if I had really rotten kids there is nothing preventing me from sending them to Pakistan.

Actually it might be even better because they wouldn't have any family there - just drop em off at the airport with ten bucks and their own bratty ingenuity

FIGURE AT ONE OUT KIDS!!

AAAAHAHHAHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHHAHHAHHHAHHA <= Dave

In some places that's considered child abuse.

I bet it's not in Pakistan[/quote]

Just had to quote this.[/quote]

😂 i very much doubt it is! Dawud is soooo funny lol

This is a different Dave from Dawud. Bother are witty though, so maybe there is somehting with that name... Ya'qub - do you have a middle name of "Dave"?

[quote=You]This is a different Dave from Dawud. Bother are witty though, so maybe there is somehting with that name... Ya'qub - do you have a middle name of "Dave"?[/quote]

My middle name does indeed begin with 'D'.

But Danger is my middle name.

[quote=You]This is a different Dave from Dawud. Bother are witty though, so maybe there is somehting with that name... Ya'qub - do you have a middle name of "Dave"?[/quote]

LOL i realised it was Dawud and Dave but i thought Dawud wrote the last bit!
O well, yes they both are funny! 😛

I've been reading through the thread again. So funny. Brings back memories. Whatever happened to Dave, Sirus and MuslimSisLilSis?

Update: I'm engaged and due to go to Pakistan at the end of the year to get married.

congrats dude!