[size=18]How Islam Got Political[/size]
[size=14]An Analysis Special[/size]
[b]Radio 4
Thursday, 10 November
20:00 GMT[/b]
Frank Gardner, the BBC's Security Correspondent, traces the rise of political Islam in Britain and around the world.
From the political Islamic movement founded in colonial India by Syed Abul Ala Mawdudi to the Muslim Brotherhood and al Qaeda, this special edition of Analysis traces the history of mainstream and radical political Islam.
[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/analysis/4422974.stm]BBC[/url]
So, did anyone listen to it? No?... OK. I'll summarise.
FTF Irfan Chisti was one of the contributors. He spoke of his opposition to the concept of takfir (excommunication) and his aprehension about Mawdudi influence in British Muslim political movements.
The main points (international)
- Abd ala Mawdudi was Indian journalist who failed to complete Islamic training. He wrote about Islam as ideology capable of taking on the West and throwing off colonialism. '20th century godfather of political Islam.'
- Syrian Syed Qutb was member of Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. Qutb read Mawdudi's books. Qutb became more radical due to torture under President Nasser.
- Qutb embraced takfir. And went around calling other Muslims kaffirs.
- Saudis opposed Nasser. So they funded and backed political Islamist radicals (inc. Muslim Brotherhood) so that they could undermine Nasser.
- In late 1980s Afghanistan a rift emerged between Abdul Azzam and his 'student' ObL. Azzam non-violent. Azzam was undermined and then assassinated.
- Bosnia, 9-11, etc
The main points (Britain)
- The Iranian Revolution politicised British Sunni Muslims. Iranian Revolution was nopt seen as 'Shia' but 'Islamic'.
- Islamic Foundation links with Revolutionary Iran.
- Asghar Bukhari spraypainted library that stocked Satanic Verses.
- Kalim Siddiquie wanted British Muslims to be isolationist. Set up Muslim Parliament.
- HT and Omar Bakri told British Muslims to help Bosnians politically, discouraged going to and fighting in Bosnia.
- Muslim Parliament led to MCB.
- MCB set up links with New Labour pre-1997.
- MP, MCB, MAB influenced by Mawdudi.
- 1990s emergence of videotapes of Muslim suffering in Bosnia, Chechnya, Algeria circulate among Muslim community.
- MPAC not influenced by Mawdudi but TV pictures of Muslim suffering.
Conclusion
- Majority of British Muslims don't want confrontation with West, they don't want strict Islamic gov.
2 points bruv. Mawdudi was called Abu'l Ala Mawdudi not Abd ala Mawdudi.
Mawdudi was NOT a mawlana by any stretch of the word.
and second point is it was Shaykh Abdullah Azzam, not Abdul Azzam
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
Thankyouuu Med.
I couldn't be bothered to check again to make sure. I thought anyone who knew would kindly dismiss it as a spelling mistake.
lol sorry.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
Salam
I heard the radio program.
It is useless, as it was inaccurate.
BBC standards seem to be declining.
Omrow
who sed mawdudi wasn't a scholar?
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Apparently he didn't complete his training.
Listen again at http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio4_aod.shtml?radio4/analysis
what training? that doesnt mean he's not a scholar. :?
thanx for the link. i wil listen to it sometime this weekend inshaAllah.
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Mawdudi was NOT scholar by ANY stretch of the word. He was a journalist who wrote prolifically, sometimes without knowing what it was that he wrote.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
according to whom?
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lol, according to me, thats who!
hahahaha
but seriously he has no scholarly tradition to back him up, he has no connection with Ulama, was an independent free thinker who brought into existence a calamity.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
not funny. :? do u realise the gravity of ur claim? ur not a scholar urself (as far as i'm aware) so how can u say this with such confidence?
wot calamity?
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k, i dont want to be accused of sectarian strife, so will suffice to say that I dont think he is an alim. And I believe his comments abt my Master, Sayyidina Musa alayhis salaam, about my Master Sayyidina Dawud alayhis salaam, and also about other Ambiya alayhim us salaatu was salaam were a great calamity and trial and tribulation upon the masses.
Also his arrogance in regards to my Master, Sayyidina Uthman radhiyallahu anhu, my master Ameer Muawiya radhiyallahu anhu and other Sahabah Karaam alayhim ridhwaan was work not befitting any muslim, let alone a 'scholar'.
If u like him, then u may do so. I dont think he is an alim. Bas.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
i wasnt about to accuse u of anything. and btw i dont have any particular preference for Mawdudi's works.
plz can u quote these comments of his?
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I will have to do mutala'a of relevant books, this may take a few days.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
no prob.
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that will do for time being
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
true and double true in my humble opinion
hmmmmmmm....got mawdudis tafseer of the quran at home, still in corner...i guess no point in lookin at it if its fabricated.
mawdudi was totally unqualified to do a tafseer of Quran.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
yea....well its rite coz it waz gifted to my bro from the mosque he did trawihs at....SO i guess they'll stay in corner not as though we bought em innit.
might just hav a look though.
erm... I did say no sectarian posts...
I do not care wether he was a scholar or not. He may have been a great man. or he may not.
Whatever he said, I would listen to, compare with other scholars and my heart, and make my own judgement.
Sorry, but I have to tow the line as I said I would.
Noone has anything to gain or lose.
No sectarian issues. End of debate.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
No-one has mentioned anything sectarian.
On the Radio 4 programme it was [b]Revival scholar Irfan Chisti[/b] who said he didn't like Mawdudi influence in this country.
oh?
and yeh admin, no1s sed anything sectarian here. :?
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What is it with the BBC and Abu Khadijah?
I remember in some talk him condemning Ahl-Hadeeth (spl?) for meeting with a labour mp. Saudi Salafis also condemn HT for talking to the media. Apparently the BBC are an exception.
He's been on two shows now.
Although I have to say what he said made a lot of sense.
He is not [b]Revival Scholar Irfan Chisti[/b]
He is someone we run our articles through... one of many scholars. He has helped us alot, But I doubt he would like to be pidgeonholed as a revival scholar...
Secondly, the sectarian bit was:
he is not a scholar. He has no right to call himself a scholar. he is wrong. etc... he should not have done a tafsir of the qur'an.
He shouldor should not have done that. I do not care either way. But criticising him jus for th sake of it is not good. If someone has not done full Dars Nizami (as he may not have... I do not know) it does not mean the person does not have any knowledge or understanding...
Now if there are any hardcore supporters of him who visit here, they will feel compelled to bak their guy up. Now where is the diference from previous arguments?
In one way it would be even worse, as his followers are not just followers, but his muqallid...
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Yeah, but you know what I meant.
i agree with all those points admin, but i stil dont c how it contributes to sectarianism as mawdudi doesnt have his own 'sect' as such right? tho yeh, fair enuf, he does hav a loada supporters (esp. among arabs, interestingly!).
so Med, i got in touch with a Deobandi scholar about this, and here's wot he basically sed:
'we do not call Mawdudi a 'scholar' as he did not go through an instituiton such as Darul Uloom. However, he did study privately with various scholars and may well have gained ijazah through them. All humans make mistakes, so although we do not agree with Mawdudi on some points, it would be foolish to disregard his works altogether.' Incidentally, this deobandi scholar also mentioned that Mawdudi has a great book on ur favourite subject Med: Purdah!
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Yes I acknowledge that some of his books were written well, but overall his wrong comments outweight his good ones.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
jazakallah khair for acknowledging that! so would u not then agree that as Muslims we should judge others by their good points first and foremost?
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