http://www.therevival.co.uk/ramadan/rules_of_fasting.php

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2. Offensive acts during fasting

a) Backbiting, slander
b) To lie or deceive
c) To use abusive language
d) Not having iftar
e) Taste a food without swallowing it, using toothpaste.
f) Gargling water due to thirsts or hot weather.
g) Wrapping oneself with wet clothes.
h) Throwing up intentionally
i) Weakening the body (e.g. strenuous sport)
j) Gathering saliva and then swallowing it;

do you have a choice?

You either get angry, or not. Not a choice.

However, trying to control your rage must be a good thing.

"Admin" wrote:

do you have a choice?

You either get angry, or not. Not a choice.

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it is a choice

its all about self control

the chpice is the next bit; what you do with anger.

you cannot control the initial anger, but afer that point, you cann control how you channel it.

"Admin" wrote:

the chpice is the next bit; what you do with anger.

you cannot control the initial anger, but afer that point, you cann control how you channel it.

but God will not hold us account for our thoughts/feelings unless we act on them

and that was the question. is anger makrooh? I said its not something we control.

"Admin" wrote:

and that was the question. is anger makrooh? I said its not something we control.

depends how u define anger-

to me anger=kicking off and making a fuss-throwing things around/ranting raving

to me anger does NOT = sitting quietly and mentally screwing

"Admin" wrote:

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2. Offensive acts during fasting

a) Backbiting, slander
b) To lie or deceive
c) To use abusive language
d) Not having iftar
e) Taste a food without swallowing it, using toothpaste.
f) Gargling water due to thirsts or hot weather.
g) Wrapping oneself with wet clothes.
h) Throwing up intentionally
i) Weakening the body (e.g. strenuous sport)
j) Gathering saliva and then swallowing it;

where did u get that from admin? i'm not so sure about some of those^^.

here's wot i got from sunnipath.com:

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THINGS DISLIKED WHILE FASTING

To chew gum, rubber, plastic items or other such things (F: which are chewed, but not swallowed, and nothing reaches the stomach, for otherwise the fast would be broken).

To taste any article of food or drink and spit it out (F: without anything being swallowed). If a woman has a very ill tempered husband, it is permissible for her to taste the food, provided it does not go down her throat.

To collect one’s saliva in the mouth and then to swallow it, trying to quench thirst.

To delay a bath that has become obligatory intentionally until after fajr time.

To use paste or tooth powder to clean one’s teeth. It is permitted to use a miswak of any permissible fresh branch or root (tooth stick). [If one wishes to use toothpaste, one should brush one’s teeth before the fast begins.]

To complain of hunger and thirst.

To take the water too much up the nostrils when cleaning the nose.

To gargle more than necessary (f: because if any water goes down the throat, even accidentally, the fast is invalidated).

To quarrel, argue, use filthy or indecent words.

To backbite, tell a lie and swear are sinful acts even when one is not fasting. Therefore they become even worse when fasting.

the link at top of my post...

"Admin" wrote:

http://www.therevival.co.uk/ramadan/rules_of_fasting.php

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2. Offensive acts during fasting

a) Backbiting, slander
b) To lie or deceive
c) To use abusive language
d) Not having iftar
e) Taste a food without swallowing it, using toothpaste.
f) Gargling water due to thirsts or hot weather.
g) Wrapping oneself with wet clothes.
h) Throwing up intentionally
i) Weakening the body (e.g. strenuous sport)
j) Gathering saliva and then swallowing it;

i'm --------then

"naj" wrote:

does applying lip salve makrooh your fast? i thought it did not but a friend of mine said its makrooh,

also mentioned taking a shower to cool ones self is makrooh,
anyone?

Asalamualaikum!

Due to lack of time at the moment i wnt b able 2 giv u a full answer 2 ur questions but im just posting below two short parts of an article i sent the other day to a group...insh'Allah i will try n answer ur questions soon.

[b]Actions which Degrade the Fast:[/b]

1. Lying, back-biting, swearing, gossiping, indulging in useless or irrelevant conversation, or causing annoyance, grief or trouble.

2. Tasting or chewing anything without proper, just and valid reason.

3. Engage in any activity that may result in invoking sexual emotions or desires.

4. Rinse the nose or the mouth deeply, i.e, in such a way as to be danger of breaking the fast.

5. Purposely swallow a mouthful of saliva.

6. Delay Sehri (closing the fast) to such an extent that dawn begins to appear.

7. Use of toothpaste or mouthwash.

[b]Actions which do not Affect the Fast.[/b]

1. Eat or drink unintentionally, but to then stop immediately on realising.

2. External use of oil, oitment, perfume or collyrium (surma).

3. Unintentional inhailing of smoke, dust, smells or any insect.

4. Unintentional seminal discharge.

"Admin" wrote:

http://www.therevival.co.uk/ramadan/rules_of_fasting.php

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2. Offensive acts during fasting

a) Backbiting, slander
b) To lie or deceive
c) To use abusive language
d) Not having iftar
e) Taste a food without swallowing it, using toothpaste.
f) Gargling water due to thirsts or hot weather.
g) Wrapping oneself with wet clothes.
h) Throwing up intentionally
i) Weakening the body (e.g. strenuous sport)
j) Gathering saliva and then swallowing it;

I DONT REALLY AGREE WITH G ADMIN SO PLEASE TELL ME WHY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO WEAR WET CLOTHS??
IMAGINE IF WE GOT WET ACCIDENTLY AND DIDNT HAVE A CHANGE OF CLOTHS! I DONT THINK FAST WOULD BECOME MAKROOH!

"naj" wrote:

does applying lip salve makrooh your fast? i thought it did not but a friend of mine said its makrooh,

also mentioned taking a shower to cool ones self is makrooh,
anyone?

I DONT THINK TAKNG A COLD SHOWER IS MAKROOH,I JUST DID THAT TODAY!

There aint nothin wrong with takin a shower unless you do it so u can get some water in your mouth!! Since when does keepin clean break your fast!?

"naj" wrote:

a friend of mine mentioned it is makrooh, it doesnt break the fast but defects it.... i dont think its true but i would like to hear a sure answer

oops i meant to say since when does havin a shower mukrooh your fast, its rather weird, truthfully haven't come across that.

I'VE NEVER COME ACROSS THAT ASWEEL AND MY IMAM IS WELL KNOWN,IF THAT WAS THE CASE I WOULDNT TAKE COLD SHOWERS WHEN IM FASTING

can anyone provide any reasoning or logic behind the cold showers/makrooh ?

cold showers are supposed to be good for ya!

by the way.......

wat if you have to use toothepaste for dental reasons? but your intention is clearly for that, and not to gain any taste (not that you can anyway)?

why wud u want 2 av a cold shower in this weather.

"naj" wrote:

yea ,its cold enough.....the question was regarding showers via to cool ones self not COLD showers!

I still dont see anythin wrong to cool yourself down especially if you dont feel very well and to keep yourself from faintin maybe it would be a good idea. Having said that i wouldnt have a cold shower as it is ice cold here

I dunno about the wet clothes. I am, quoting from an article.

Youi can have a bath/shower etc, but I think it seems to mean if you feel thirsty, it is not acceptable to just drench yourself to make the thirst go away...

But I have not heard of it outside that article either.

how does drenhcing yourself (which you do when you have a bath/shower anyway) rid you of your thirst?

and no-one answered my dental question

Exactly what i was thinkin duhboy, i duno bout anyone else but after i come out the shower i feel hungary and somewhat thirsty, oh well thats me!

As for your dental question, i have heard it is ok to use toothpaste but only a lil so as not to have the taste of it in your mouth (duno wether that is possible)

drenching your clothes is more long term... it keeps you cool for a longer period of time... I dunno really.

Toothpaste is makrooh. If you NEED to use it, you can. If you do not NEED to use it, avoid it. just use a brush with applying some toothpaste. Use toothpaste at sehri and iftari times...

it is possible

you cant really get a taste out of it anyway