"salaf" wrote:

I don't know if you've noticed but most of the world isn't producing a lot of cultural innovations. Most people just wanna try and get by. They don't have time for that.

Look at Africa, look at South America, look at most of Asia.

Not necessarily true of most of Asia, China and the four tigers are doing very well.

And Chile and Argentina are both doing well and producing cultural innovations - as they have been for a very long time.

They just get ignored

"Dave" wrote:

"salaf" wrote:

I don't know if you've noticed but most of the world isn't producing a lot of cultural innovations. Most people just wanna try and get by. They don't have time for that.

Look at Africa, look at South America, look at most of Asia.

Not necessarily true of most of Asia, China and the four tigers are doing very well.

And Chile and Argentina are both doing well and producing cultural innovations - as they have been for a very long time.

They just get ignored

China's rise is greatly exaggerated. If the American economy went down China would go down to. It isn't a new superpower. Most of its people are still very poor and it is still largely a police state.

"salaf" wrote:

China's rise is greatly exaggerated. If the American economy went down China would go down to. It isn't a new superpower. Most of its people are still very poor and it is still largely a police state.

lol dependency on the American economy isn't the litmus test for economic success - if the American economy went down everybody would go down, even Europe.

There is too much international diversity.

However their investment is way way up, their economy is growing in leaps and bounds and the country is completely open to investment. No wonder American companies are going there.

As for the large numbers of poor - they are the Chinese biggest resource and they are marketing that like crazy.

slaam
islam is not backwards....sum ppl who call themselves good muslims are..so thick to understand that culture and religion are two different things....they think they now it all but when it cums down to women for example....they will always say women cant do this and this its not allowed!!!!!!!!!!
if Allah swt has given us the rights then no one should have a problem...although women should respect these rights ,if given not take advantage...
LIBERTY 4 WOMEN LOL

Salam

"MuslimSister" wrote:

The Muslims of today are nothing like our intellectual pious predecessors.

Does anyone agree with the above statement?

I see that no one agrees with your statement.

I suppose that either you are full of... pessimism, or, that the rest of us see things differently.

Omrow

ANY Muslim who lacks Islamic knowldge/practices

is "backwards"

cos then either he/she is living life based on cultural ideology or secular Godless idealogy

"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:

ANY Muslim who lacks Islamic knowldge/practices

is "backwards"

cos then either he/she is living life based on cultural ideology or secular Godless idealogy

However i we are losing so much every generation, is the person without knowledge/practice forwards?

That is the irony of the modern world. keeping the good is also seen as backwards.

Libs love tearing down religious institutions.

It's like it's their damn hobby.

damn liberals

"Admin" wrote:

That is the irony of the modern world. keeping the good is also seen as backwards.

that depends on whose standard ur defining ur understanding of "being backwards"

"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:

"Admin" wrote:

That is the irony of the modern world. keeping the good is also seen as backwards.

that depends on whose standard ur defining ur understanding of "being backwards"

I think he means that religious virtue and moral virtue that is timeless and thus exists in the past as much as it exists in the present is seen as "quaint" in the "modern world" which has no need for outdated institutions.

I read this article some where and I thought that I would share it with everyone, I sure many of you lot have probably read it before, but just incase some haven’t. This article goes too show how as muslims we should learn to react when we are in any hardship, because if we fail to recognise the quality of a muslim in hardship, we fail to understand some of the true aspect of islam.

REMEMBER..

[b]When becoming humiliated[/b], remember the Prophet (Peace be upon him) in Ta'if.

[b]When being starved[/b], remember the Prophet (Peace be upon him) tying two stones to his stomach in the battle of Khandaq.

[b]When becoming angry[/b], remember the Prophet's (Peace be upon him) control of anger on the martyrdom of his beloved Uncle Hamza.

[b]When losing a tooth[/b], remember the Prophet's (Peace be upon him) tooth in the battle of Uhud.

[b]When bleeding from any part of the body[/b], remember the Prophet's (Peace be upon him) body covered in blood on his return from Ta'if.

[b]When feeling lonely[/b], remember the Prophet's (Peace be upon him) seclusion in Mount Hira .

[b]When feeling tired in Salaat[/b], remember the Prophet's (Peace be upon him) blessed feet in Tahajjud.

[b]When being prickled with thorns[/b], remember the Prophet's (Peace be upon him) pain from Abu Lahab's wife.

[b]When being troubled by neighbours[/b], remember the old woman who would empty rubbish on the Prophet (Peace be upon him) .

[b]When losing a child[/b], remember the Prophet's (Peace be upon him) son, Ibrahim.

[b]When beginning a long journey[/b], remember the Prophet's (Peace be upon him) long journey to Madinah.

[b]When going against a Sunnah[/b], remember the Prophet's (Peace be upon him) intercession, (Ummati, Ummati, Ummati) (My Ummah).

[b]When sacrificing an animal[/b], remember the Prophet's (Peace be upon him) sacrifice of 63 animals for his Ummah.

[b]Before shaving your beard[/b], remember the Prophet's (Peace be upon him) face rejecting the two beardless Iranians.

[b]When falling into an argument with your wife[/b], remember the Prophet's (Peace be upon him) encounter with Aisha and Hafsa.

[b]When experiencing less food in the house[/b], remember the Prophet's (Peace be upon him) days of poverty.

[b]When experiencing poverty[/b], remember the Prophet's (Peace be upon him) advice to Ashaab-e-Suffa (People of Suffa).

[b]When losing a family member,[/b] remember the Prophet's (Peace be upon him) departure from this world.

[b]When becoming an orphan,[/b] remember the Prophet's (Peace be upon him) age at six.

[b]When sponsoring an orphan,[/b] remember the Prophet's (Peace be upon him) sponsor for Zaid ibn Haritha.

[b]When fearing an enemy[/b], remember the Prophet's (Peace be upon him) saying to Abu Bakr in Mount Thour.

[i][b]Whatever situation you may find yourself in, remember your role model, the best of creation: Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him).[/b][/i]

Yes muslims can be consider to be backwards, but this is only due to the fact that we fail to have taqwa, because too me taqwa is probably the one most important thing a muslim could have, as with Taqwa you gain understanding of the situation and the reason for it to be happening, which as muslims we don’t have currently. It something we as muslims should work hard for and in reality should be our one and main aim in this world, because it will give us something no degree at University will give us, which is the pleasure of Allah swt.

Anyway, I offer my salaam to everyone and hope that everyone gain the right taqwa to live their life according to how Allah swt has ordain for us too.

Assalaamu 'Alaykum Warahmatullaahi Wabarakaatuhu

Salam

Yuit. Dont be an idiot.

Dont you know what the topic is?

If you do then STICK TO IT !!

If you want to rant out of tune, then there is a RANT thread as well a NO TOPIC thread.

God !!

Omrow