Is A Woman’s Place In The Home?
Salaam
For the last couple of months I’ve been actively seeking work…. after being rejected left right and centre…I was advised to contact this agency that gets you into schools, now after they check my references out I should start working in a matter of weeks… Finally-Alhumdullilah!!
Why do I want to work?
Since I was a little girl I’ve wanted to teach, I used to play “school/school” with my brother and sisters and I was always the teacher….whenever I have spare time I work voluntary in different types of schools.
Also, I dislike being idle, I’m a girl with OTT mental energy, I can not do nothing. A life of leisure does not suit me. I prefer being active/busy and on the go…..that’s when I’m the most happiest.
Also, I don’t like asking my dad for money. If I start working I’ll be able to pay for my own driving lessons/car maintenance when I get a car and my sisters lessons as well…I’ll also be able to spend money on my family.
ALSO, my grandmother’s been on my case to get a job. She claims I need to be more “independent”.
But what bugs me SO much is people who have issues with girls who work. Thankfully my family is not like that, but that doesn’t stop every other Tom, Dick and Uncle Harry from advising my parents to “keep her in the home” so that she doesn’t become “too modern” and that “no one likes modern girls”
What on Earth does it mean to be “too modern”?
Apparently working women are responsible for the break up of a home.
I see such a TREMENDOUS need for more Muslim women in the workforce.
I would hate to live in a society where all men advocated that women should stay at home and not work.
When the wives of such men fell pregnant would they really be OK with her giving birth in front of male doctors?
If God forbid something happened to her, would they really be OK with her being touched and prodded by some male Doctor?
If their daughter started attending public school would they really be OK with her being taught the facts of life by some male teacher?
If they underwent some family crises would they really be OK with their wives opening up to a male counsellor?
Many women wish/need to know how to drive, would the men be OK with their wives spending a significant time alone with some strange male in his car?
Cos thats what would happen if ALL men advocated that their women MUST stay at home...
On a side note, I heard of instances in this country where a wife was in difficult labour however, the husband allowed her to die in labour then to be checked out by a male doctor….
I don't understand what’s the issue with working if internal/external pardah is implemented?
And why do some men have serious issues with their women working in a place where men are present especially if they are covered up and do not flirt/talk unnecessary.....
Is it lack of trust? Insecurity?
Yes, I know that the welfare of children should the number one concern of a mother. But what if she doesn’t have kids? Or what if they are in school all day long? What should she do at home all day long…brush her hair/do her nails and wait for her husband to get home?
So share your thoughts, is a woman’s place in the home?
Wasalaam
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Is A Woman’s Place In The Home?
[quote="TheRevivalEditor"]
point taken.
my apologies.
yes the forums have become a bit immature and personal, mainly due to me and medieval. i simply cant stand his views, that's all. he stands against almost everything i stand for..and its difficult for me to stay quiet and not become passionate. Theres only so much one can argue before losing his rag.
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How can u not like Medieval, he The revival very own Forrest Gump, you can't help but love the geezer. 😃
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[quote="yuit"][quote="TheRevivalEditor"]
point taken.
my apologies.
yes the forums have become a bit immature and personal, mainly due to me and medieval. i simply cant stand his views, that's all. he stands against almost everything i stand for..and its difficult for me to stay quiet and not become passionate. Theres only so much one can argue before losing his rag.
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How can u not like Medieval, he The revival very own Forrest Gump, you can't help but love the geezer. :D[/quote]
salaam
i definitely dont love him, probably the opposite.... im glad you and others do....i better not say anything else.
wasalaam
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[quote="yuit"]
How can u not like Medieval, he The revival very own Forrest Gump, you can't help but love the geezer. [/quote]
Where is this forest gump. What does it have to do with me? I dont understand.
Lady Aphrodite. The other category are the fathers and sons in law and the slaves, and brothers and uncles and sons by suckling. I think that is it.
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[quote="Medievalist"][quote="yuit"]
How can u not like Medieval, he The revival very own Forrest Gump, you can't help but love the geezer. [/quote]
Where is this forest gump. What does it have to do with me? I dont understand.
Lady Aphrodite. The other category are the fathers and sons in law and the slaves, and brothers and uncles and sons by suckling. I think that is it.[/quote]
Huh? I already said fathers and uncles and brothers. Uncles and brothers are mahram through relationship status, not through suckling.
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[quote="MUHAMMADALINASIR"]
.NA MAHRAM IS NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO HEAR YOUR BREATH.
WHATS WRONG WITH WEARING HIJABS INFRONT OF YOUR KIDS???
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[size=18]IT IS OBVIOUS THAT YOU ARE HARD OF HEARING. THATS WHY LIKE YOU I AM ALSO SHOUTING.
DO YOU LISTEN TO WOMEN BREATHE?
AND WHERE EXACTLY DOESIT SAY IN ISLAM THAT MUMS MUST COVER THEIR HEAD IN FRONT OF THEIR KIDS? [/size]
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[quote="TheRevivalEditor"]
i will join you and not visit the forums for a few days aswell. ive said almost everything i need to and i dont want to waste my time answering to medieval on almost every post.
medieval..its all yours. have fun.[/quote]
dont go 😢
ignore the cavemen in this forum-or like me just make fun outta them
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people become mahram through suckling aswell. eg the foster mothers brothers are the childs real uncles. nikah is not permitted.
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[quote="Medievalist"]people become mahram through suckling aswell. eg the foster mothers brothers are the childs real uncles. nikah is not permitted.[/quote]
I know about 'milk mothers' being mahram, it just wasn't mentioned in the above post, you just said uncles and brothers. Thanks for clearing that up though 🙂
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[quote="MuslimSisLilSis"][quote="MUHAMMADALINASIR"]
.NA MAHRAM IS NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO HEAR YOUR BREATH.
WHATS WRONG WITH WEARING HIJABS INFRONT OF YOUR KIDS???
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[size=18]IT IS OBVIOUS THAT YOU ARE HARD OF HEARING. THATS WHY LIKE YOU I AM ALSO SHOUTING.
DO YOU LISTEN TO WOMEN BREATHE?
AND WHERE EXACTLY DOESIT SAY IN ISLAM THAT MUMS MUST COVER THEIR HEAD IN FRONT OF THEIR KIDS? [/size][/quote]
AGHHHHHHHH.........DONT LET ME LOSE MY RAG,PLEASE CONSULT A WOMEN AALIM.I KNOW THAT YOU WILL NEVER AGREE WITH ME"THE MODERN MUSLIMS".......
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[quote="MUHAMMADALINASIR"]
AGHHHHHHHH.........DONT LET ME LOSE MY RAG,PLEASE CONSULT A WOMEN AALIM.I KNOW THAT YOU WILL NEVER AGREE WITH ME"THE MODERN MUSLIMS".......[/quote]
[size=18]AGHHHHHHHH......DONT MAKE ME LOSE MY TEMPER EITHER. PLEASE CONSULT A NORMAL PERSON ABOUT THIS TOPIC. I ASSURE YOU THEY WILL ALSO SAY THAT A WOMAN DOES NOT HAVE TO COVER HER HAIR IN FRONT OF HER KIDS. BUT I KNOW THAT CAVEMEN SUCH AS YOURSELF WILL NEVER AGREE WITH ME. [/size]
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[quote="MuslimSisLilSis"][quote="MUHAMMADALINASIR"]
AGHHHHHHHH.........DONT LET ME LOSE MY RAG,PLEASE CONSULT A WOMEN AALIM.I KNOW THAT YOU WILL NEVER AGREE WITH ME"THE MODERN MUSLIMS".......[/quote]
[size=18]AGHHHHHHHH......DONT MAKE ME LOSE MY TEMPER EITHER. PLEASE CONSULT A NORMAL PERSON ABOUT THIS TOPIC. I ASSURE YOU THEY WILL ALSO SAY THAT A WOMAN DOES NOT HAVE TO COVER HER HAIR IN FRONT OF HER KIDS. BUT I KNOW THAT CAVEMEN SUCH AS YOURSELF WILL NEVER AGREE WITH ME. [/size][/quote]
I THINK THIS TOPIC HAS BEEN TRANSFORMED IN A FIGHT.JUST CONSULT A FEMALE AALIM AND WHAT SHE SAYS FOLLOW HER,IF I OFFENDED YOU I AM REALLY VERY SORRY,BUT I CANT HELP WHEN PEOPLE SAY THAT RIGHT IS WRONG.
AGAIN I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION CONSULT A FEMALE AALIM AND WHAT SHE ADVISES YOU,YOU MUST FOLLOW IT.
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u no sommat, no offence bro but i think ur answers just prove were ur 4rm n i hav 2 admit wen pple shout its really annoying.
calm dwn will u all!!!!
n sayin sorry whilst ur screaming at the same time its nt even an apology.
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I'm not sure that Muhammad Ali Nasir is aware that writing in capitals is considered shouting.
Muhammad Ali Nasir if you write all your text in capital letters, then in forums that means you are shouting. I hope the issue is clear.
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[quote="MUHAMMADALINASIR"]
AGAIN I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION CONSULT A FEMALE AALIM AND WHAT SHE ADVISES YOU,YOU MUST FOLLOW IT.[/quote]
i know a lady who's a scholar-an alimah
she's my sisters very close mate
that lady's husband is ALSO a scholar
they both very knowldgebale
this Ramadan that lady will be SPEAKING in radio Ramadan
if she held the same caveman views as you-she wouldnt do it
when the Prophet (pbuh) arrived in medinah children, and WOMEN-young and old sang naats to him-to welcome his arrival
he didnt tell them that a woman's voice shoud remain in pardah
nor did he tell them to "go home"
cos luckily the Prophet (pbuh) of Islam wasnt backwards like you
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the childrena and young girls sang.
The verses of hijab were not revealed at that time so the issue of hijab does not come into the singing and its subsequent permissibilty/impermissibilty.
Cant use examples which are not even relevant to the discussion.
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Incorrect.
Women sang also.
A scholar told me this last night.
And the "hijaab" point is irrelevent cos a womens voice aint even required to be in in "pardah".
so dont bring in points which are irrelevent to the discussion :roll:
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even if women sang thats got nothing to do with the topic in hand. The topic being discussed is what it means about hijab and what is included in the cover.
I dont agree totally with Muhammad Ali Nasir but merely as an objective point it is clear that you cant use the singing at the time of arrival becuase it is prior to hijab. Its got no relevance to the discussion. The people who came out were not observing hijab does that mean it can be used to argue that hijab is not necessary? No because the incident took place BEFORE the verses were revealed.
On a pure academic point the arrival incident has no relevance to the issue at hand.
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Hdart Aisha used to SPEAK to men
she used to teach them behind a screen-
why wasnt her voice in "pardah"?
do you and the othe cavemen know better then her?
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Im not talking about womens voice being part of her awrah. I havent mentioned anything about this save to say that there exists a difference of opinion. I refer you to Muhtarama Yashmakis post above where she makes clear that there does exist a difference of opinion.
Again I have not mentioned anything about women and their voices.
I only posted to say that your example of the singing is not relevant.
Your post about Hadrat Maa Aisha radhiyallahu anha teaching is a valid post because it is concerned with event AFTER the verses of hijab. Thats all my point was, nothing to do with what is the status of the female voice.
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[quote="Medievalist"]
Your post about Hadrat Maa Aisha radhiyallahu anha teaching is a valid post because it is concerned with event AFTER the verses of hijab. Thats all my point was, nothing to do with what is the status of the female voice.[/quote]
so you dont agree with the other caveman-who states that women voice must never be heard-except at the gate? :roll:
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I dont agree with what he has written totally.
But I didnt type here to get into peoples little debates about the voice.
My only purpose was to point out that academically the point regarding arrival and the singing wsa not relevant. I have said that and dont have anything further to add, save according to us it was children and young girls who sang with the women ululating?
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[quote="Medievalist"]
My only purpose was to point out that academically the point regarding arrival and the singing wsa not relevant. I have said that and dont have anything further to add, save according to us it was children and young girls who sang with the women ululating?[/quote]
Point noted, heard and disagreed with.
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[quote="MuslimSisLilSis"]Hdart Aisha used to SPEAK to men
she used to teach them behind a screen-
why wasnt her voice in "pardah"?
do you and the othe cavemen know better then her?[/quote]
Listen,hazrat ayesha is said to be ummul momeneen,mother of momins,and yes she used to guide men and to give them ISLAMIC TEACHINGS,not asking what is spinach,lol,and she did that with a harsh voice,so i think listening voice in a harsh tone of a mother,since hazrat ayesha is every muslim's mother,is allowed in Islam.
ARE YOU THE MOTHER OF SHOPKEEPER???
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Hadrat Aisha used to teach in a harsh way?
whatever u say-u freak
ur views are pathetic
i hope Busharraf closes down the madrassa you've attended that preaches such backwards teachings
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[quote="MuslimSisLilSis"]Hadrat Aisha used to teach in a harsh way?
whatever u say-u freak
ur views are pathetic
i hope Busharraf closes down the madrassa you've attended that preaches such backwards teachings[/quote]
BUSH+MUSHARRAF=BUSHARRAF............LOL(i have not attended any madarssa)
SHE USED TO SPEAK WITH A HARSH TONE,THERE IS A GREAT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HARSH TONE AND HARSH TEACHING.
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[quote="MUHAMMADALINASIR"]THERE IS A GREAT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HARSH TONE AND HARSH TEACHING.[/quote]
whats the diff?
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[quote="MuslimSisLilSis"][quote="MUHAMMADALINASIR"]THERE IS A GREAT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HARSH TONE AND HARSH TEACHING.[/quote]
whats the diff?[/quote]
harsh voice is sakht lahja,and harsh teaching is everything done by a teacher is done in a harsh way,harsh teaching berahmee sai padhana,and you are saying that there is no difference.
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if ur not gonna speak English-dont bother posting reply's :roll: :roll:
but then again-whether u speak Urdu or English I never understand what the hell ur chattin about
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[quote="MUHAMMADALINASIR"][quote="MuslimSisLilSis"]Hdart Aisha used to SPEAK to men
she used to teach them behind a screen-
why wasnt her voice in "pardah"?
do you and the othe cavemen know better then her?[/quote]
Listen,hazrat ayesha is said to be ummul momeneen,mother of momins,and yes she used to guide men and to give them ISLAMIC TEACHINGS,not asking what is spinach,lol,and she did that with a harsh voice,so i think listening voice in a harsh tone of a mother,since hazrat ayesha is every muslim's mother,is allowed in Islam.
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ok give reference where it exactly states the Hazrath Aisha (ra) spoke in a harsh tone?
[quote="MUHAMMADALINASIR"][quote="yashmaki"]Whats wrong with uncovering in front of kids its allowed lol. Has the brother read the verses on the hijab. I think the sisters are more aware of who they can reveal themselves to better than the brothers are. The cheek of it![/quote]
MAHRAMS ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO SEE THE FACE AND HEAR THE VOICE.NA MAHRAM IS NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO HEAR YOUR BREATH.
WHY DONT U UNDERSTAND THAT WOMEN'S HAIR ARE INCLUDED IN SATTAR???LIKE HER OTHER BODY PARTS,EXCEPT FACE,IT SHOULD REMAIN IN PARDAH.
I HAVE GIVEN YOU THE KNOWLEDGE FOR WHICH I AM CENT PERCENT SURE,PLZZ CONTACT A WOMEN AALIM IN SUCH ASPECT,I HAVE ONE MY COUSINS SHEZ A FEMALE AALIM MASHALLAH,AND MY MOTHER HAS TOLD HER THAT SHE DESCRIBES THAT WOMEN'S HAIR ARE INCLUDED IN HER SATTAR,FURTHER MORE I HAVE CONSULTED FEW MORE PERSONS TO BE SURE TO POST SO.
WHATS WRONG WITH WEARING HIJABS INFRONT OF YOUR KIDS???
MUHAMMAD PBUH ONCE TOLD HIS COMPANIONS THAT A TIME WILL COME WHEN PEOPLE WILL BE CONSIDERING ISLAM TOUGH AND WILL NEGLECT ITS TEACHINGS.
MY DEAR SISTER,ITS A SERIOUS MATTER,IF U DONT BELEIVE ME THEN IMMDIATELY CONSULT A FEMALE AALIM IN THIS ASPECT.
ASSALAM OO ALAIKUM[/quote]
Women are not obliged to cover their hair in front of their mahram - father, brother, son, maternal and paternal uncles, grandfathers/grandsons, nephews, obviously husbands... and i've missed someone out, someone remind me!
Could you please provide us with some authentic, valid text relating to the views you are expressing please? Thank you.