What I learned 5/8/2012

Northen Southener —

There are a number of circumstances / conditions that allow us to miss the fasts of Ramadan.

Yes, no need ro re read it. That's right, under the following circimstances it's not a sin to miss the fast of Ramadan.

 

These are:

Fear for life in case of illness or great age.

Pregnancy and Breast Feeding.

Madness.

(real) Jihad (not the Taliban one)

 

To compensate, however, one must fast as many fasts as he misses as soon as he is out of such conditions.

TPOS — Sun, 5 Aug 2012 - 23:13

Having a cold?!! Why'd you not fast cuz of having a cold :/ I don't think that's a valid reason. Your body would actually need to be in risk for it to be permissible to not fast.

Northen Southener — Sun, 5 Aug 2012 - 23:35

In my little book of facts it DID say "illness" but it also said "fear for life"

I don't think the standard flu comes under than category unless you have some disease where your natural immune system doesn't work.

Foysol89 — Mon, 6 Aug 2012 - 05:27

[quote=Northen Southener]

In my little book of facts it DID say "illness" but it also said "fear for life"

I don't think the standard flu comes under than category unless you have some disease where your natural immune system doesn't work.

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I suffer from a disease which really weakens my immune system yet even then i'm still able to fast without and major problems. So i think it'd only be a valid reason if your health was in serious danger. 

Northen Southener — Mon, 6 Aug 2012 - 08:38

[quote=Foysol89]

So i think it'd only be a valid reason if your health was in serious danger. 

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I agree. Hence the "fear for life" bit.

LookingToSee — Mon, 6 Aug 2012 - 12:29

ok.maybe not the cold.. but it doesnt have to be some special illness.

any illness that the fast would cause to worsen. thats what it is. if fasting is going to make you MORE sick. then you dont fast. and if you have a BAD flu and you need to stay hydrated and drink chicken soup and what not. you dont fast.

Accountontherevival — Mon, 6 Aug 2012 - 12:55

[quote=Hummus]

[quote=Titanium]

Madness? As in mental disability?

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Unconsciousness and insanity.

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Really dislike the word: 'insanity'

As to me that just means to behave in a way that is different to the norm of society and culture. Let's be definitive here, what psychiatric medical conditions does a person have to have to give them the leniency not to fast during Ramadan?

LookingToSee — Mon, 6 Aug 2012 - 13:27

Praise be to Allaah.  

One of the ways in which Allaah has made things easy for His slaves is that He has only enjoined fasting upon those who are able to do it, and He has excused those who are unable to fast for a legitimate shar’i reason. The legitimate reasons for which one may be excused from fasting are as follows: 

1 – Sickness 

Sickness means everything that means that a person is not healthy.  

Ibn Qudaamah said: the scholars are agreed that it is permissible for the sick person not to fast in general. The basis of that is the aayah in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): 

“but if any of you is ill or on a journey, the same number (should be made up) from other days”[al-Baqarah 2:184] 

It was narrated that Salamah ibn al-Akwa’ (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “When this aayah was revealed – ‘And as for those who can fast with difficulty, (e.g. an old man), they have (a choice either to fast or) to feed a Miskeen (poor person) (for every day)’ [al-Baqarah 2:184 – interpretation of the meaning] – those who wanted not to fast could do that, and pay the fidyah (i.e., feed one poor person for each day). That remained the case until the following aayah was revealed, i.e., the verse: 

‘And as for those who can fast with difficulty, (e.g. an old man), they have (a choice either to fast or) to feed a Miskeen (poor person) (for every day)’

[al-Baqarah 2:185 – interpretation of the meaning] – so it abrogated it.”  

The sick person who fears that fasting may make his sickness worse or that it will slow down his recovery or damage a part of his body, has the option of not fasting, and indeed it is Sunnah for him not to fast and it is makrooh for him to complete his fast, because that may lead to his death. So he has to be cautious and protect himself. Moreover, if the sick person is very ill, that makes it permissible for him not to fast. But if a healthy person fears difficulty or tiredness, it is not permissible for him to break his fast, if all that happens to him when he fasts is that he becomes tired.

Al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah, vol. 28, p. 73.
http://islamqa.info/en/ref/23296

TPOS — Mon, 6 Aug 2012 - 14:59

A cold doesn't go away by you eating food anyway and it won't be made worse by fasting. I coils never bring myself to not fast for just a cold. Each to their own.

Hummus — Mon, 6 Aug 2012 - 15:06

Seems like theres a bit too much liniency going on around here. If fasting is held with so much importance, little excuses like a bad flu, or a bit of pain, isn't genuine at all. I just think that it isn't good enough.

LookingToSee — Mon, 6 Aug 2012 - 15:29

its nt abt a cold or bit of pain. its abt: if nt eating is going to make ur illness worst. then u shldnt fast. i used a bad example when i mentionned flu.

Hummus — Mon, 6 Aug 2012 - 15:40

[quote=Lilly]its nt abt a cold or bit of pain. its abt: if nt eating is going to make ur illness worst. then u shldnt fast. i used a bad example when i mentionned flu.[/quote]

Okay, i agree with you there then. Like, a severe illness which is so bad that by fasting you will make more problems arise and hence, doctors and Muslim scholars have advised you not to.