[TV] Dispatches: Lessons in Hate and Violence

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Monday 14 February at 8PM on Channel 4.

Dispatches goes undercover to investigate allegations that teachers regularly assault young children in some of the 2,000 Muslim schools in Britain run by Islamic organisations.

The programme also follows up allegations that, behind closed doors, some Muslim secondary schools teach a message of hatred and intolerance.

Dispatches episode page

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Sajid Iqbal — Wed, 9 Feb 2011 - 10:09

I dont know whats its like now but when i used to go mosque to read quran and do hifz I got battered with sticks and everything by teacher at the mosque!

I think those who hit kids at mosque should be warned, then banned from teaching kids anywhere!

Imams/teachers at mosque should have teacher training before they should be allowed to teach.

Do schools beat up kids for getting something wrong in lessons!

Did the Prophet (pbuh) hit kids when teaching them Islam!!!

I mean you go to the masjid after school to learn the quran and Islam and what do you get- a slap for not pronouncing a word correctly, a wack with a stick for forgetting some of your hifz..........its shameful! wheres the love????????

Mosque/teachers need alot of reform!

And before governments tell us to reform we should do it ourselves.

TPOS — Wed, 9 Feb 2011 - 16:55

I got whipped by one of those wooden sticks that just KILL, cuz I was shouting-reading
and obviously it hurt and I started crying and then my teacher's just like "I hit your coat not you!" :|

Sajid Iqbal — Wed, 9 Feb 2011 - 22:46

[quote=You][quote=TheRevivalEditor]Do schools beat up kids for getting something wrong in lessons![/quote]

They used to.

Besides, schools have way more resources and don't pay peanuts.[/quote]

thats a kop out.
schools used to 15/20 years ago....

does any now? i doubt it
why cos they have changed/reformed...
we are still in dark ages on this

so u need million of pounds before u can stop hitting a kid when teaching them the quraan/islam! rubbish!

You — Wed, 9 Feb 2011 - 23:12

you need money to teach teachers how to teach.

You need to pay decent amounts of money to get decent quality teachers.

It's not something that will be fixed on the cheap. That way, it will just get driven undercover waiting for some expose program to come out to show how it still happens in some places.

Sajid Iqbal — Thu, 10 Feb 2011 - 08:56

[quote=You]you need money to teach teachers how to teach.

You need to pay decent amounts of money to get decent quality teachers.

It's not something that will be fixed on the cheap. That way, it will just get driven undercover waiting for some expose program to come out to show how it still happens in some places.[/quote]

oh come on. which mosque is short of money nowadays?
does it cost millions to have smaller classes?
does it cost millions to train teachers not to hit kids?
does it cost millions to send teachers on teacher training courses?

you're just making excuses for the mosques!

TPOS — Thu, 10 Feb 2011 - 16:42

[quote=TheRevivalEditor]

oh come on. which mosque is short of money nowadays?
does it cost millions to have smaller classes?
does it cost millions to train teachers not to hit kids?
does it cost millions to send teachers on teacher training courses?

you're just making excuses for the mosques![/quote]
Which mosque isn't short of money? where do they get the money from?
They may not need millions but even getting a decent amount to make teachers want to teach their is hard for some mosques (e.g my local one).
You make it sound so simple, but it actually can't be solved so easily.
Money IS needed and also maybe a problem is teachers not having teachers that are very enthusiastic? Maybe just want the money? hmm
Also good organisation and other qualities are needed.
[size=7] I'm too tired to write properly / explanations but want to reply incase I forget later lol [/size]

Bilan — Thu, 10 Feb 2011 - 21:34

[quote=ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE]I got whipped by one of those wooden sticks that just KILL, cuz I was shouting-reading
and obviously it hurt and I started crying and then my teacher's just like "I hit your coat not you!" :|[/quote]

LOL!!

i used to get hit and i didn even knw why!!!!! (cos i went to an Moroccan mosuque...where they spoke arabic.....i didnt) but the guys choice of weapon was a cut up piece of garden hose! 😂

The Lamp — Fri, 11 Feb 2011 - 12:57

[quote=bilan][quote=ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE]I got whipped by one of those wooden sticks that just KILL, cuz I was shouting-reading
and obviously it hurt and I started crying and then my teacher's just like "I hit your coat not you!" :|[/quote]

LOL!!

i used to get hit and i didn even knw why!!!!! (cos i went to an Moroccan mosuque...where they spoke arabic.....i didnt) but the guys choice of weapon was a cut up piece of garden hose! :lol:[/quote]

LOL! That cracked me up!
Nah, I've made it clear that if any molvi even tries to man handle or hit me or anyone else (my siblings, cousins etc) I will not tolerate it. Because it is contrary to the Sunnah, so I am obliged to stop oppression with my hand. So violent movlis.... think VERY carefully! :evil:

ummibrahim — Sun, 13 Feb 2011 - 13:10

when we were at mosque they use to make us "sit up n down" holdin our ears...

But allhamdullialah things hav changd soooo much now where my son goes its more like school style they have activities ie colouring, Q & A sessions, reward chart golden time. He loves it!!!! learnig about ISLAM should be fun gosh whats gone happen to the children wen they grow up all they will rember is gettin punished wheres da lov!

And the class sizes are very small.

Its up to parents to tak active role in teachin kids too. AND all the teahers are qulified in teaching kids.....

mush91 — Tue, 15 Feb 2011 - 08:08

I have never witnessed this myself and although this may be true in some mosques its not all
does this not portray a bad image towards islamic schools?
next we will have people protesting to close them down if that image becomes greater
when i useto go mosque im not saying they never did hit but that was only when we useto be bad. other than that we useto just chill and learn the Qur'an and when we made mistakes they corrected us.

but the hate bit reminded me of one of my mates telling me not to be friends with someone from another religion and that we should hate them but i was like nooo shouldnt we all have a choice. lol

mush91 — Tue, 15 Feb 2011 - 08:10

[/quote]

LOL!!

i used to get hit and i didn even knw why!!!!! (cos i went to an Moroccan mosuque...where they spoke arabic.....i didnt) but the guys choice of weapon was a cut up piece of garden hose! :lol:[/quote]

haha thats funny lol when i was like 7 my mosque useto give us sweets and ice polls 😃

mosqueman (not verified) — Tue, 15 Feb 2011 - 12:53

To: TheRevivalEditor
I am not condoning hitting or beating children in any circumstance but lets be factual. Teacher training and resources is of utmost importance in most mosques/maktabs.

It’s ridiculous to assume mosques aren’t short of money, let’s look at the facts.

• Average money spent on a child at school will range from £5000 - £8000 a year depending on the schools location.
• Average money spent on a child at Mosques/maktabs will range from £300 – £600 a year depending on the mosques location.

Teachers at the moment are highly trained and educated at the tax payer’s expense and provided with additional training and resources through out their careers.

Teachers in some mosques have no training at all, where training is provided this is very limited.

Mosques aren’t funded by the tax payer but by the communities that build and maintain them, a so called back-ward mosque can be classed as a reflection of its core service users. If your mosque is backward dig deep in to your pockets and get involved. Volunteer your expertise fund raise, liaise or invest in time and resources to train as a future RE teacher (moulana or imam).

And how about focusing on the benefits of supplementary schools remember thousands of parents entrust their children to the care of mosques daily, not because they are all blind subservient lemmings but because they understand the need and benefits provided by the mosques.

1R4M — Wed, 16 Feb 2011 - 11:25

Most Imams in this country are not even qualified
they can't even READ the Qur'an properly!
How can they beat children for not pronouncing correctly when they can't either!

Learning Arabic should be compulsory
it should be done in the same way we learn other languages at school

otherwise
what's the point in reading something, when you don't even know what it is that you're reading?

Also
the comments some speakers made were just disgsuting

"stay away from a man who has less than a fistful of beard as though you would a serpent"
???????????????????

where were his Qur'anic verses to corrobate this?!?!?!
How ridiculous

Most of these mosques
are South Aisan as well
Pakistani, mainly

Seriously
Pakistani people NEED to sort themselves out

Furthermore

in the documentary that was made a few motnhs ago
about the Saudi funded schools
the narraotr BRIEFLY mentioned a CHRISTIAN faith school which was preaching hatred and death to Islam and Muslims

why wasn't THAT school investigated????

Utter hypocrisy!

Maryam leeds — Wed, 16 Feb 2011 - 11:49

I agree that immams should not hit children its wrong. However don't you find it funny how just them 2 institutions were trageted and people gerneralise and make assumptions that all masjids are the same. I know many masjids no longer beat childeren up in fact my younger brothers and sister love going to the masid and love learining new things about Islam its a fun environment.

1R4M — Wed, 16 Feb 2011 - 13:26

[quote=Maryam leeds]I agree that immams should not hit children its wrong. However don't you find it funny how just them 2 institutions were trageted and people gerneralise and make assumptions that all masjids are the same. I know many masjids no longer beat childeren up in fact my younger brothers and sister love going to the masid and love learining new things about Islam its a fun environment.[/quote]

exactly

it was ONE school
but a lot of ppl are gonna blow it out of proportion
and say that ALL muslim schools do this

mush91 — Thu, 17 Feb 2011 - 08:10

[quote=MuslimBro][quote=1R4M]Seriously
Pakistani people NEED to sort themselves out[/quote]
I agree.[/quote]

looool i aint pakistani but lol isnt this racism 😛
its not all pakistanis but some aswel as some others are like this to just havent seen them yet lol

TPOS — Thu, 17 Feb 2011 - 18:21

MB aint pakistani either - being racist is his hobby.

But nah, I don't think this is racist - most Pakistani's are messed up in some way or another and do need to fix up.

The questions are - how? where/what do you start with?