Words of the Prophet (saw)

The man who keeps a fast in full faith, and for reward in the world hereafter, will be forgiven for his past sins. And the man prays in the night during Ramadan with faith and for reward in the world hereafter, will be forgiven for all his past sins. {Sahih al Bukhari & Sahih Muslim}

Love for the life of this world is damaging to the life of the Hereafter. Anyone who values the life of the Hereafter will be indifferent to the life of this world. Therefore, prefer that which is eternal to that which is temporary. {Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal}

What is lawful and what is forbidden are both quite clear. But between them are matters which are not clear. A man who avoids the unclear will be even more careful to avoid open sin. But it is feared that a man who does not stop at unclear sins will indulge even in open sin. And sin is like a grazing ground forbidden by God. A beast that passes. By it risks the chance of straying into it. (Sahih al Bukhari)

On the Day of Judgement, what will weigh most heavily in favour of the believer will be his good morals. God abhors those who indulge in shameless talk and use indecent language. {At-Tirmidhi}

[quote=Noor]On the Day of Judgement, what will weigh most heavily in favour of the believer will be his good morals. God abhors those who indulge in shameless talk and use indecent language. {At-Tirmidhi}[/quote]

What is meant by 'indecent language'?

And what does 'indulge in' mean. That would suggest that 'some' shameless talk is ok.

Is this just a translation issue?

[quote=Ya'qub][quote=Noor]On the Day of Judgement, what will weigh most heavily in favour of the believer will be his good morals. God abhors those who indulge in shameless talk and use indecent language. {At-Tirmidhi}[/quote]

What is meant by 'indecent language'?[/quote]

what do you think?

[quote]And what does 'indulge in' mean. That would suggest that 'some' shameless talk is ok.[/quote]

no it doesn't suggest that some shameless talk is ok.

shameless talk = talk that lacks hayaa

hayaa?

[quote=Noor][quote=Ya'qub][quote=Noor]On the Day of Judgement, what will weigh most heavily in favour of the believer will be his good morals. God abhors those who indulge in shameless talk and use indecent language. {At-Tirmidhi}[/quote]

What is meant by 'indecent language'?[/quote]

what do you think?

[quote]And what does 'indulge in' mean. That would suggest that 'some' shameless talk is ok.[/quote]

no it doesn't suggest that some shameless talk is ok.

shameless talk = talk that lacks hayaa[/quote]

I know what shameless talk is - I was talking about 'INDULGE in shameless talk'.

'Indulge' means to do something excessively. So the translator has chosen this word instead of 'partake' or something else which would mean 'do it at all'.

Also, by indecent language, do English 'swear words' count? What if they are not 'indecent' in the situation (i.e. noone around you will be offended). In that case it wouldn't be 'indecent'.

Shameless talk I understand. The rest of it confuses me, is their a tafsir/alternate translation?

[quote=s.b.f]hayaa?[/quote]

Modesty

[quote=Ya'qub][quote=s.b.f]hayaa?[/quote]

Modesty[/quote]

oh, thank you.

[quote=Ya'qub]'Indulge' means to do something excessively.[/quote]

tut tut English teacher!

Chambers says:

indulge verb (indulged, indulging)

1. tr & intr (especially indulge in something or indulge someone in something) to allow oneself or someone else pleasure or the pleasure of (a specified thing) • I'm going to indulge in some new gloves.
2. to allow someone to have anything they want; to pamper or spoil them • My mother indulges the children dreadfully.
3. to give into (a desire, taste, wish, etc) without restraint.
4. intrans, colloq to eat or drink, usually freely or without restraint • No, I won't indulge, I'm driving.

/Polishes "annoying geek" badge 😃

[quote=You][quote=Ya'qub]'Indulge' means to do something excessively.[/quote]

tut tut English teacher!

Chambers says:

indulge verb (indulged, indulging)

1. tr & intr (especially indulge in something or indulge someone in something) to allow oneself or someone else pleasure or the pleasure of (a specified thing) • I'm going to indulge in some new gloves.
2. to allow someone to have anything they want; to pamper or spoil them • My mother indulges the children dreadfully.
3. to give into (a desire, taste, wish, etc) without restraint.
4. intrans, colloq to eat or drink, usually freely or without restraint • No, I won't indulge, I'm driving.

/Polishes "annoying geek" badge 😃
[/quote]

oops lol.

So we shouldn't take pleasure in shameless talk.

tafsir literally means commentary. and yes.