Female Genital Mutilation

MuslimSister —

Salaam,

Forgive me if this topic has already been raised here.

This is not an issue that we may come across often in our day to day life, but I remember attending many lectures during my PGCE course regarding FGM because apparently its on the increase, particularly in the amongst people from the African culture...and its a procedure usually carried out during the ages of 7-11...which means that primary school teachers are more likely to report it and/or stop it from going ahead.

It's classified as child abuse.

Islamically, male circumcision is sunnah.

However, Islamically there are many differences of opinion regarding FGM. This is cos, Islamically where there is silence over an issue..it usually indicates its permission. And apparently, the Prophet ﷺ never forbid this issue..

FGM is carried out for many reasons...some do it to preserve virginity...others do it cos they think its obligatory in Islam.

In some instances, it can lead to death (if the girl bleeds to death) and may always result in extreme pain and discomfort during sex.

Any thoughts on this issue?

Wasalaam

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Ya'qub — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 - 19:22

[quote=Courage]
Well, we can look at the lesser of two evils then, can't we. Operating to save someone's life might be the lesser of two evils, even if it hurts a bit. Do you get what I mean?
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That was exactly the point I was trying to make by asking the questions.

I was trying to make it clear to you that your fatwa that 'anything that causes pain is haram' didn't make sense.

MuslimBro — Sat, 1 Nov 2008 - 12:19

[quote=Courage]OI! It's not my fatwa, it's just what I've heard an Imam say, plus he backed it up.[/quote]
Of course, so it must be true.

Nowadays we get people justifying killing civilians, Jews, suicide bombings, ect.... and they also quote the Qur'an and Hadith.

Omrow — Sat, 1 Nov 2008 - 14:19

Salam

This is a terrible topic started by the pious lady.

It is one of the blunders that she makes now and then.

I think Editors should scold her.

We are talking here in public about female's shame !

Wake up for Christ sake !!

Have some honour !!

Omrow

Ya'qub — Sat, 1 Nov 2008 - 17:13

[quote=Omrow]I think Editors should scold her.

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She is a sub-editor.

She can pretty much do as she likes!

Courage — Mon, 3 Nov 2008 - 10:27

[quote=MuslimBro][quote=Courage]OI! It's not my fatwa, it's just what I've heard an Imam say, plus he backed it up.[/quote]
Of course, so it must be true.

Nowadays we get people justifying killing civilians, Jews, suicide bombings, ect.... and they also quote the Qur'an and Hadith.[/quote]

He backed it up with verses from the Quran and logic. Do you have a reason to not believe it?

Courage — Mon, 3 Nov 2008 - 10:28

[quote=Omrow]Salam

This is a terrible topic started by the pious lady.

It is one of the blunders that she makes now and then.

I think Editors should scold her.

We are talking here in public about female's shame !

Wake up for Christ sake !!

Have some honour !!

Omrow

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Or let's quit the taboo.

MuslimBro — Mon, 3 Nov 2008 - 22:20

[quote=Courage][quote=MuslimBro][quote=Courage]OI! It's not my fatwa, it's just what I've heard an Imam say, plus he backed it up.[/quote]
Of course, so it must be true.

Nowadays we get people justifying killing civilians, Jews, suicide bombings, ect.... and they also quote the Qur'an and Hadith.[/quote]

He backed it up with verses from the Quran and logic. Do you have a reason to not believe it?[/quote]
I haven't heard him so I don't know.

big bro — Wed, 5 Nov 2008 - 15:51

[quote=Ya'qub][quote=Courage]Male circumcision, if it's done correctly doesn't hurt the baby as it's not really developed to feel pain.
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NOT always done to babies... If you go to Malaysia you'll see a whole hospital ward of 10 year old boys with little tents built over their beds.

Anyway, surely what you said would apply to baby girls too, no?

If someone has a brain tumour, does cutting open their head to operate count as 'causing pain' to you? How about chemotherapy for a cancer sufferer? (I'm not saying that this is the same as Female circumcision or FGM, btw. I'm just being pedantic).[/quote]

Tents over their beds. 😃 lol.
what's with the tent.

Ya'qub — Thu, 6 Nov 2008 - 11:51

[quote=Courage]Ajmal Masroor.[/quote]

Trendy Imam? I saw him talk once (on a non-controversial topic) at Regent's Park mosque, he was quite good.

Channel 4 certainly agree, I think he is their sheikh!

Ya'qub — Thu, 6 Nov 2008 - 11:57

[quote=Courage]Timothy Winter (he's a Muslim) and Tariq Ramadan were there too (on the programme). They backed him up.[/quote]

Unfortunately neither of them are recognised/respected by every Muslim - because they work in interfaith depts. of Western Universities.

Ya'qub — Thu, 6 Nov 2008 - 12:10

[quote=Courage]I'm sure someone somewhere if they heard about YOU they wouldn't like you, for some irrational reason.[/quote]

I said it was unfortunate! For the record I really respect both of them.

Courage — Thu, 6 Nov 2008 - 12:12

I said that the reason would be IRRATIONAL, I never said you didn't. I wasn't disagreeing with or having a go at you, mate! I was just saying!

Omrow — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 - 14:23

Salam

Bravery does not necessarily mean wisdom.

Some brave people are also very stupid.

I am not saying that Muslim Sister is stupid.

Its just that sometimes she does very dumb things without thinking.

God !!

Omrow

Omrow — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 - 13:44

Salam

[quote=The Lamp]
And do you want to say exactly which stupid thing she has done?

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Lamp !!

Lamp !!

If I could say it I would say it!!

I cant make myself utter it!

Its unspeakable!!

Jesus H. Christ !!

How can anyone say it!!

She is so dumb!!

Omrow

Ya'qub — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 - 17:44

I like lamp.

Did you just say you liked the lamp because you saw it, or do you really like the lamp?

I like lamp.

GO WATCH ANCHORMAN PEOPLE.