Sufism

[quote="MuslimSister"]Isn’t it weird that…

We live in a time where man can be in one side of the world in the morning and the opposite side of the world in the evening….man can build roads under sea and view planets that are billions of miles away….man can communicate in a matter of seconds with people who live in opposite side of the globe….man can even visit the moon. [/quote]

nearly half of the worlds scientists and engineers work for the millatry, creating more sophisticated weapons to destroy human life 😢 that is an enormous amount of human potentiol and creativity gone to waste.

MS have u ever considered writing an article for the revival about sufism?

[quote="TEX"]

MS have u ever considered writing an article for the revival about sufism?[/quote]

Not really. It not really Revival Style.

Without generalizing I can honestly say that I have YET to come across someone with an interest in Sufism who doesn’t have manners to die for…

I spent the last few days with a group of Naqshbandi lot in B’ham…who didn’t even know me up until a few days ago, who bought me books, gave me a lift everywhere, fed me well and were SO considerate…only cos they knew that I happen to be interested in Sufism…

My dad’s mates, my uncles mates and even people that I know from my end who happen to be interested in Sufism have fantastic manners….one cant help but fall for such people.

The very essence of Sufism is “good manners” and establishing a loving relationship with Allah (swt).

does that mean one cannot have good manners without being sufi? 😛

Salam

[quote="*DUST*"]
does that mean one cannot have good manners without being sufi?[/quote]

Good question from dusty woman.

And the answer is yes. That is what the pious lady seems to be claiming:

How can a person who has good manners not be a sufi.

One may not realise it, but one is one.

Omrow

are sufi's the ones who dance? or am i talking about something completely different?

a lot of sufi`s dont beleive that sufism is islam

prolly coz of the excess amount of shirk

[quote="TEX"]
a lot of sufis dont beleive that sufism is islam[/quote]

That's because they are not sufis.

[quote="zara"]
are sufi's the ones who dance? or am i talking about something completely different?[/quote]

No.

You are confusing them with Beyonce Knowles.

I am not putting the girl down in any way.

She has potential to be a sufi, but first she has got to stop wiggling her ass.

[quote="*DUST*"]does that mean one cannot have good manners without being sufi? :P[/quote]

Sufi is one who has his/her Nafs (ego) under control...thats why they have the best manners.

So, yeah...like Omrow said, one with the best manners would be a Sufi...but it may be possible that they dont know that.

My mum doesnt claim to be intrested in Sufism...but to me, she has the best manners...so in my eyes she is a Sufi.

[quote="MuslimSister"][quote="*DUST*"]does that mean one cannot have good manners without being sufi? :P[/quote]

Sufi is one who has his/her Nafs (ego) under control...thats why they have the best manners.

So, yeah...like Omrow said, one with the best manners would be a Sufi...but it may be possible that they dont know that.

My mum doesnt claim to be intrested in Sufism...but to me, she has the best manners...so in my eyes she is a Sufi.[/quote]
why can't it just be plain old 'adab', why does it have to have the label 'sufi' attached to it?

[quote="zara"]are sufi's the ones who dance? or am i talking about something completely different?[/quote]
you may be thinking of [url=http://images.google.com/images?q=whirling+dervishes&hl=en&sourceid=moz… dervishes[/url].

yeah, that's them!!! who are they?

[quote="*DUST*"][quote="MuslimSister"][quote="*DUST*"]does that mean one cannot have good manners without being sufi? :P[/quote]

Sufi is one who has his/her Nafs (ego) under control...thats why they have the best manners.

So, yeah...like Omrow said, one with the best manners would be a Sufi...but it may be possible that they dont know that.

My mum doesnt claim to be intrested in Sufism...but to me, she has the best manners...so in my eyes she is a Sufi.[/quote]
why can't it just be plain old 'adab', why does it have to have the label 'sufi' attached to it?[/quote]

During the time of the Holy Prophet ﷺ the terminology for various branches of faith such as Tafsir, Fiqh, Tajweed, Qiraat etc did not exist despite its existence in principle…

In the same way, inner purification was also part of the Holy Prophet ﷺ Sunnah.

Those who showed a zealous devotion to the inner purification part of the Holy Prophet ﷺ sunnah used to eat simple food and would wear coarse wool (SUF)….they were known as Sufi’s and the branch of faith pertaining to their way of life become known as Sufism.

… In the Qur’an its referred to as being Taqwa, Tazkiya (purification) and in the hadith of Gabriel (the hadith about Islam/Iman and Ihsan) its known as being the essence of faith.

You can call it Adab, Sufism, Tasswuf, good manners-whatever…. all of the above definitions are just different names to explain the same reality….you can call it whatever you want.

Salaam,

Sis, Have you read Rumi's daughter by Muriel Maufroy.

Its an amazingly spiritual and mystical book and demonstrates how the divine love of the Lord can connect two people, much stronger then anything in this universe with an unspoken innocence.

Fact or fiction its a story all about sufism, passion, love and one that will make you weep.

Wsalaam

I have his entire Mathnawi…I’ve read Shams Tabriz’s autobiography, but I had no idea he even had a daughter…?!

Do you have any links to that book?

Salaam,

Unfortunately I do not have any links to the book. But its widely available over the net.

Kimya, as she is called in the book is not Shams's daughter she is Maulana Rumi's adopted daughter. In the book she marries Shams. If like myself you have an interest in sufism and Rumi no doubt you will love it.

Whats more I feel there is something a lot more mystical about Shams then Rumi himself, after all he was his teacher.
I want to look more into the life of Shams. What is the name of the autobiography of Shams ?

JK

wsalaam
Z

Rumi and Me

[quote="Sirus"]Rumi and Me[/quote]

Yeh, that’s the autobiography…IMO Rumi is a LOT more spiritual than Shams Tabriz...he seemed a lot more harsher than Rumi after I read his autobiography...he is a teacher, so maybe thats why.

[quote="MuslimSister"][quote="Sirus"]Rumi and Me[/quote]

Yeh, that’s the autobiography…IMO Rumi is a LOT more spiritual than Shams Tabriz...he seemed a lot more harsher than Rumi after I read his autobiography...he is a teacher, so maybe thats why.[/quote]

how you figure that?

[quote="Sirus"][quote="MuslimSister"][quote="Sirus"]Rumi and Me[/quote]

Yeh, that’s the autobiography…IMO Rumi is a LOT more spiritual than Shams Tabriz...he seemed a lot more harsher than Rumi after I read his autobiography...he is a teacher, so maybe thats why.[/quote]

how you figure that?[/quote]

His speaking style is very, very different to the style of Rumi in the Mathnawi...unless this is a fault of the translater-I don't know.

Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jillani was told once that his business has gone bankrupt and he said “Alhumdulliah”….a few moments later the informer told him that he had made a mistake and again Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jillani said “Alhumdullaih”…

This was cos in both instances he consulted his heart and found that it was content with the will of God regardless of the situation…

If we compare that to our own state... how many times has our heart started to beat faster or became gripped with fear, when we were told or even thought about an unfortunate situation…

I think the above stage is known as "Nafs-Mutmaina"..the content self, which is happy with Allah (swt) regardless of the situation.

i thought the great Shams was a wali of Allah hence Rumi's great love for him and his many poems in praise of him. would that Allah grant us each such a guide as Shams.

by the way all beautiful posts Muslim Sister

(ps i remember Dr Tahir ul Qadri saying that not all men of Allah were gifted in the same way, Shams obviously had the gift of finding special poeple like Rumi and in inspiring them)

Rumi expressed what Shams infused in him which leads me on to the real prayer - please Allah make us all as apt pupils as Rumi

Salam

No room. No Rumi.

To know Rumi one needs a heart with plenty of room.

Make room and know Rumi.

Omrow

[quote="Omrow"]Salam

No room. No Rumi.

To know Rumi one needs a heart with plenty of room.

Make room and know Rumi.

Omrow[/quote]

:roll:

Spoons just can't cut it.

[quote="Omrow"]Spoons just can't cut it.[/quote]

[b][color=violet]Its not spoons its SPONI![/color][/b]

[b][color=indigo]lol

I think he knos that! He's doing it on purpose, just ignore him and soon enough he'll give up.

Its fairly simple! Just dnt reply back to his posts![/color][/b]

yes silence is da best reply 2 a fool

omrow's not a fool, he just likes to annoy people sometimes.