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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
A longer answer.
We are more angry then we let on.
We would be just as angry if not living in the west.
There are some who see OBL as a reaction. revenge is used to justify his crimes.
revenge is not acceptable.
Actual millitancy? I doubt it would increase.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Interestingly many of the 9-11 hijackers had all lived in Western countries.
Al Qaeda is often seen as a Western phenomenon rather than an Eastern import.
http://www.spiked-online.co.uk/Articles/0000000CAC69.htm
Had we lived in the East and not emmigrated, IMO we would have joined in with the politics of the homeland and just made anti-Western statemants rather than some of us do anything physical.
Yea there was one case in particular that really struck me as peculiar - a happy go lucky turkish immigrant to German who was a last minute attachment to the Hamburg cell.
I forget his name but the guy sounded like a real gem - had a beautiful young wife, enjoyed having fun and was pretty religious in a good way.
Sounds like the sorta person that could be a good friend.
Then he met up with some of the other Hamburg cell members and a month later he was reading poetry about martydom at a wedding.
(which is peculiar behavior if you ask me)
Point being - the guy wasn't some youth poisoned waziristani seperatist
Such a transformation can be seen as brain-washing.
Kinda like what cults do.
Al Qaeda has been called a death-cult by some woman whose name I can't remember.
But really is there such a change in the individual?
why is there ALWAYS such a change of personality ionvolved?
could it be that the people who know theese individuals need to justify why theu like the person.
They pick a 'turning point', and say they liked the individual before he 'turned'.
Or is it really these people are suddenly out of nowhere totally brainwashed?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
It can take very little to change someone's world view.
You just need to breakdown one or two things that the person had previously held absolute faith in.
The person is left vulnerable and open to persuasion to a new way of thinking.
It is brainwashing - they are trying to deactivate your natural urges against identifying with other people so you can more effectively kill them.
That's the whole purpose of basic training in any army also.
For us it was a little different... they were big on bravado and made sure never to talk about casualties or victims - it was always "targets"
I guess that's because when you are 30 to 40 thousand feet high dropping bombs or in a dogfight you [i]can't[/i] identify with the other person because there is so much between you.
Machines et al.
the issue of waziristan has little or no connection with them having a seperatist agenda. The People of South Waziristan committed no crime, either against the Pakistan Government, the Pakistan People or the Afghan People. They made no demands for a seperate state nor have they acted in anyway as traitors to Pakistan, their only crime was to treat well the GUESTS who were invited to Afghan-Pak region by the SECULAR governments.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
lol med i'm not indicting waziristan. - Just pulled the name out of a hat honestly
I was just highlighting that this guy was your average westerner - a "geeza"
Not like a backwoods psycho who we all knew was going to blow something up someday.
Hell this guy was pretty much every last one of my friends.
lol, k
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
lol if it's any consolation i'm sure the people of waziristan are quite charming
May ALLAH ennoble you. Yes they are a beautiful people with some excellent qualities.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
What is the arabic term for : Mountain of Light?
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
I would guess and say Gabal al-Noor.
guess? or you sure?
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
Noor is light, right?
Gabal is Arabic for mountain.
And every other word in arabic had al- in front of it.
What is Arabic for Enver is a moron ?
"al" means "the"
so there is no need to add it
I think :?
And omro-go update ur lamo blog :roll:
lol everybody knows about the blog now.
I wonder if this will result in an identity crisis for Omrow
Don, please. This topic is not about me.
This topic is about everyone.
So....another general Question.
Why Omro? What possessed u to make a lamo blog?
Salam
Silence woman !
Know you place !!
You dare speak while men talk !!!
Omrow
giv him a backhander... :roll:
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
I wouldnt DARE to speak whilst men speak
but Hayder and Dave werent saying anything
Maybe Omrow should take on a superhero username too.
DangerMouse?
but hes only a danger to himself :roll:
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
Lets Keep Omrow talk inits place. The Omrow topic.
Here try to stick to the Topic of general questions.
the 'al' in Arabic is not just 'the'.
Jabal al noor wuld be prounced jabal an Noor (If you know arabic, think shamsi and qamari letters..)
And it would (should) mean Mountain of Light.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
lol good question...
and Enver [i]you[/i] need a Superhero name!
I am not a Superhero - I am a Pirate!
An Air Pirate!
Admin is right
jsu asked my bro, said the same thing
nice one Bud
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
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