Help research into Sunni-Shi'a identity in London

Assalamu Alaikum Brothers and Sisters

I am a Muslim PhD candidate in Social Anthropology at Oxford, researching Sunni-Shi'a identity and relations in London.

I am interested in interviewing Sunnis from London as to their views on what it means to be Sunni in modern Britain and how they view Shi'as/Shi'ism.

The interviews will be conducted either individually or in groups (via email/msn or in person). Your personal views will be respected and treated in the strictest confidence. Your identity will be kept anonymous.

So, regardless of who you are I am interested in hearing from you, inshallah. If you have an experience, view or opinion then you have something to contribute towards my fieldwork and hence a greater understanding of Sunnis, Sunnism and Shi'ism in modern Britain.

For those interested in participating, my contact details are below. As to myself, I am a registered PhD candidate at the Institute of Social and Cultural Anthropology () and The Centre on Migration, Policy and Society () at Oxford. The following is a link to my biography:

I look forward to hearing from you!

Ma as-salaamah

Shahid Ravi Longia

Mob: 07986549219
Home: 0203-248-3009
Email:

shias arent muslim. they killed hazrat husein.

tera mere milna & mohatarma

"bro" wrote:
shias arent muslim. they killed hazrat husein.

erm... no.

Don't gotta like them, but well... it was not the Shia's who committed the massacre.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

it was. even today the shia kill the muslims and its on the news all the time that the shia kill the sunni in iraq. i used to have a freind who was shia and he backstabbed me wen i got in a fight and before my sunni mates used to tell me that i shouldnt me freinds with him but i was and no i no that they were right becuase they always hurt sunnis. why didnt they give water to hazrat husein? even the little baby wasnt given water.

tera mere milna & mohatarma

"bro" wrote:
shias arent muslim. they killed hazrat husein.

Hussein (ra) was killed before 'sunni' and 'shia' split.

But some members of the group who *later* became [b]Sunni[/b] were the ones who killed Hazrat Hussein.

And, yes, at the moment there are some Shia killing Sunni.

There are also Sunni killing Shia.

And Sunni killing other Sunni.

And just because you've had a bad experience with [b]one[/b] Shia person, that does not make Shia 'always hurt Sunnis'

The same way that just because [b]one[/b] Muslim tries to blow up some British civilians, it doesn't mean all Muslims are murderous psychopaths.

Don't just do something! Stand there.

"Ya'qub" wrote:
it doesn't mean all Muslims are murderous psychopaths.

We're not? :shock:

/packs "stuff" away quietly...

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

bro why you lying for? the shias killed hazrat husein. we sunnis love hazrat husein and would never kill him. they hit themselves and things because they no what they did was rong and they trying to be sorry for it but allah nos that they are murderers. and sunnis dont kill sunnis. are you a shia?

tera mere milna & mohatarma

if the Shia didnt kill Hazrat Hussain (PBUH) then why is it that they go around beating themselves during Muharram?

I dont know much about this so feel free to correct me if i am wrong. I also apologise if i have offended any shia with my comment.

No not the gum drop buttons! – Gingy

They do it as mourning, not guilt.

(We sunni's believe you cannot mourn in such a manner.)

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

no your lying. they did it because they were given badwa by a holy lady because of what they did and then they beat themselves till kayamat.

tera mere milna & mohatarma

I'm not Shia, but I do dislike all the anti-Shia propaganda that I constantly hear echoing around mosques:

"Is it true that they actually eat babies?"
"I hear that they burn a Sunni on the 15th of every month!"
"They smell funny"
etc.

bro, go read a book before u start spouting untruths

salam w.w.

Don't just do something! Stand there.

"bro" wrote:
no your lying. they did it because they were given badwa by a holy lady because of what they did and then they beat themselves till kayamat.

ok... lets just imagine for a second that it WAS shia's who committed the massacre...

We do not believe sins are passed via genealogical lines. Children do not pay for the sins of their parents etc.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

but some people are cursed. if badwa is given by holy people then they can last for years just like if holy people mak dwa for you then you can have good kids and that. you lot arent sunni because everyone knows that the shias hate the sunnis and the sunnis hate the shia.

tera mere milna & mohatarma

Lets say it does last for years... it would still not transfer onto their kids. Or their kids kids. Or their kids kids kids kids.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

yes but the shia still have rong ideas. the ones today might not have themselves killed hazrat husein but they still the same people. they still follow the religion of the ones who killed hazrat husein.

tera mere milna & mohatarma

"bro" wrote:
the shias killed hazrat husein

You have just made a large claim. Do you have any proof whatsoever :?:

If people like you keep on trying to split the Muslims apart then the future looks pretty grim :? .

The Shia do have aspects that we Sunnis strongly disagree on however we should try to concentrate on what we do agree on.

Wassalam

"Purity is half of faith.......Prayer is the light...patience is illumination; and the Quran is an argument for or against you. Everyone starts his day and is a vendor of his soul, either freeing it or bringing about its ruin." Muslim

if someone killed your dad you can forgive him, if someone killed your mom you can forgive him. if someone kills hazrat husein or someone holy then you cant forgive him. you lot are shia lovers. :evil:

tera mere milna & mohatarma

I am not asking you to forgive the person committing the act. Just saying you cannot blame descendents for something their predecessor (in this case never) did.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

How would the above bro like it if I were to accuse my Sunni brothers of killing Imam Ali because evidence is that todays Sunni Muslims are killing Shia Muslims in Iraq and other part of the world.

But I wont do that because it is Haraam to accuse people of something they have not done. It is one of the biggest sins in the eyes of God.

Imam Hussain was killed by Yazid who was neither a Sunni Muslim, nor a Shia Muslim.

The other person Shahid Ravi Longia who wanted to research about sects, he is more then welcome to talk to Shias like me. Revival Forum Editor or Admin can contact me to see you if you prefer. I dont mind people asking me about my love for Imam Ali. He is the best there is.

Ayatollah rightly named America as "Great Satan".

hazrat ali wasnt killed by sunnis, but hazrat husein was killed by shias. and yazid? what you saying about my bro? :evil:

tera mere milna & mohatarma

I didnt mean to upset you my brother. I was only saying that as Muslims, we should only speak from historical facts.
It is wrong to make things up.

Ayatollah rightly named America as "Great Satan".

i wasnt making anything up :evil: your a shia?

[b]EDIT BY ADMIN[/b]
- Removed a slur

tera mere milna & mohatarma

"bro" wrote:
i wasnt making anything up :evil:

proof??

"Purity is half of faith.......Prayer is the light...patience is illumination; and the Quran is an argument for or against you. Everyone starts his day and is a vendor of his soul, either freeing it or bringing about its ruin." Muslim

whether or not it was true, ALL muslims HAVE to follow the Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam (Peace and Blessings be upon him) who said "DO NOT SPEAK BADLY OF YOUR PEOPLE AFTER THEY HAVE PASSED AWAY"

so if you say something negative, EVEN IF its a historical fact, YOU ARE COMMITTING A SIN.

Don't just do something! Stand there.

"Ya'qub" wrote:
whether or not it was true, ALL muslims HAVE to follow the Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam (Peace and Blessings be upon him) who said "DO NOT SPEAK BADLY OF YOUR PEOPLE AFTER THEY HAVE PASSED AWAY"

so if you say something negative, EVEN IF its a historical fact, YOU ARE COMMITTING A SIN.

Very True, Brother

I strongly agree.

"Purity is half of faith.......Prayer is the light...patience is illumination; and the Quran is an argument for or against you. Everyone starts his day and is a vendor of his soul, either freeing it or bringing about its ruin." Muslim

"You" wrote:
They do it as mourning, not guilt.

(We sunni's believe you cannot mourn in such a manner.)

oh right. Yeah apparently your not suppose to cry for the dead because their souls will suffer or something like that.

No not the gum drop buttons! – Gingy

no... you can cry as long as you do it quiet-like.

You cannot wail, beat yourself up and all that other stuff that involves shouting, screaming or mutilation.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

well if that is so then why do Shias go around beating themselves with chains etc? or do they believe its ok to torture themselves as part of the mourning process?

No not the gum drop buttons! – Gingy

"Ya'qub" wrote:
whether or not it was true, ALL muslims HAVE to follow the Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam (Peace and Blessings be upon him) who said "DO NOT SPEAK BADLY OF YOUR PEOPLE AFTER THEY HAVE PASSED AWAY"

so if you say something negative, EVEN IF its a historical fact, YOU ARE COMMITTING A SIN.


if your talking to me then komeini isnt my people. my people is hazrat husein and my mate shown me pics of his janaza where he was getting exposed. dirty fuck.er

tera mere milna & mohatarma

"Naz" wrote:
well if that is so then why do Shias go around beating themselves with chains etc? or do they believe its ok to torture themselves as part of the mourning process?

Because they are not sunni's.

Maybe they do not accept the same proofs? I don't know.

PS Not all Shia's accept that mutilation is acceptable.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Salaams to all those who have posted on this thread.

For those who are interested in participating in my PhD research, regardless of whether you are pro-Shi'a or pro-Sunni, or anti-Shi'a or anti-Sunni, then please contact me (my contact details are below).

As I stated in my initial post I will respect all views, opinions and beliefs. Rather, then posting against one another on this thread, I think we can turn your views into something productive by your participation in my research into Sunni-Shi'a relations in London.

Lastly, I have a request to all readers of this post: I shall be grateful if you refrain from posting superfluous replies on this thread against one another. This thread is intended for those Sunnis and Shi'as who are interested in participating in my research. Your posts against each other may prevent the participation of others in this very important piece of research. Thank you.

Ma as-salaamah

Shahid Ravi Longia

Mob: 07986549219
Home: 0203-248-3009
Email:

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