Salaam
Continued from the lost thread.
The Holy Prophet 
said “The excellence of a scholar over a worshipper is as that of myself over an ordinary person from amongst you”.
He has also said “The excellence of a scholar over a worshipper is like the excellence of full moon over the stars”.
Wasalaam
Salam
Prophet also said that worst scum of the Earth are bad muslim clerics.
And Caliph Umar said that Islam is destroyed by scholars.
I say that a person needs to find a GOOD scholar to teach and guide them towards the TRUE knowledge of God and His religion.
Obviously Satan is very busy, and therefore, it is very hard to find the genuine articles.
Omrow
maybe only to the slow people
it dont take rocket science to differentaite between the true scholars and the bogus one
any Tom, D ick and Harry could spot the diff
true...when a 'scholar' or 'peer' starts charging you money for their generous services or start blackmailing you...then i think thats a sign of trouble!!
EXACTLY
every day i get a leaflet thru my door telling me that so and so knowldgeble religious man from such and such place...whose family has lived here for 100 years (?!) will make all my problems go away
the geezer even claims to help me pass my A level exams :roll:
now if I was stupid I'd call him up
yet anyone would half a brain would know that he's bogus and is trying to make money of people prob using lame magic
REAL religious people dont advertise
maybe omro lacks the common sense rador that helps a person differentiate between a knowldgebale scholar and a bogus one
looks like he's getting slow in his old age
Salaam
The Holy Prophet
said “Be a scholar, a teacher, a listener, or one who loves them. Do not be in the fifth category and thereby be ruined”.
The one who is in the fifth category is neither a scholar, a teacher, a listener, nor one who loves them…He is therefore ruined.
Whoever hates scholars loves their ruin, and one who loves their ruins wishes for the light of Allah (swt) to be extinguished from the Earth.
Wasalaam
Salaam
The Holy Prophet
said “Scholars are like stars in the sky, by which people are guided through the darkness of the land and sea”.
The metaphor that is used to compare scholars to “stars” is penetrating.
The scholars are the guides through the darkness of ignorance, ambiguity and deviation. When these guides are lost, the travellers go astray.
And when scholars dwindle in number, people fall into error….
Our time which is witnessing a shortage in true scholars is experiencing this problem.
Wasalaam
so, who needs them and why do we them or dont we need them?
I heard a lecture where it was said that even in heaven there would be a need for scholars.
1. Allah (swt) will grant people everything they desire.
2. Different people will get different things.
3. Allah (swt) will ask people to ask for whatever they want. but they will already will have everything they thought of.
4.Scholars will know what different people have been given.
5. People will use them to find out what they should ask for.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
interesting, do you remember who the lecture was by?
dunno about that.
but i heard the story of the 'last person' to enter Jannah (i.e. the lowes person who still JUST made in to paradise)
he would ask for everything he could possibly want, which of course Allah (swt) would give him. Then after he ran out of things he could imagine to ask for, Allah (swt) would give him something else, and then something else on top of that, then something else again, all which the man himself couldn't think of.
So I don't know where scholars come into that.
of course, a lot of the way that paradise is spoken of is figurative, so both things could be valid
Don't just do something! Stand there.
Shaykhul Hadith something something is all I can remember atm.
I doubt he has any recordings of his speeches.
@Ya'qub - no idea as well the speech was not in english, so I did have to filter in a translation in real time.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Funny you should bring up this topic. I've been working on a poem about it.
Follow me
I'll tell you what's what
No need for any scholars
Not while I'm around
I'll tell you what to feel
Don't worry about facts
Don't think for yourself
Let me think for you
See what I can do
You don't wanna be playing football
Their all off their ball
But you have to stand tall
Let them fall over a ball
Forget BT
Hook up a line with HT
Listen to the Bakri
And his vocabulary
So you live in the West
It's far from the best
Rather be in Saudi
But not with your Audi
(If you're a girl)
Just wanna get away from these Kufar
Really far
Just waiting for the benefits
But this is the pits
May my wish come true
I mean your wish
I need to relax
You need to stop reading this
i find there is a difference between listening to a whole bunch of scholars talk a bout a particular subject, taking in what they say and then making ur own mind up...and blindly following just ONE scholar without using ur intellect and reason.
following scholars is praiseworthy and necessary if u want to be on the strait path....but i personally dislike the 'hero worship' which i have seen (especially in Syria) which IMO bordered on shirk...
Don't just do something! Stand there.
So who are the hero worshipers and what do they do?
love unquestioningly and uncritically or to excess; venerate as an idol; eg "Many teenagers idolized the Beatles"
idolise, idolize, revere, worship
adore - love intensely; "he just adored his wife"
drool over, slobber over - envy without restraint
Don't just do something! Stand there.
duh :roll:
i was referring to the people you saw in Syria, what makes you think they’re committing border line shirk? what do they do e.g. sujood to their shaykhs?
We do have the "thing" of not thinking of scholars as human. They are either angels or the devil.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
i don't wanna name names (cos i can't remember any!) and 2 be honest it is possible i was misunderstanding the situation. but it was the whole way they were kissing the sheikh's hands etc. they also said that performing zhikr in a group was so good because we were in the presence of great people: like it wasn't the remembrance of Allah (swt) which was central, but it was the company in which you performed the remembrance.
There was also an incident which got me really annoyed: they (very kindly) offered me some oranges which were grown by a particular sheikh. When I politely refused, explaining that I'm allergic to oranges but thank you very much, they were very offended and were saying things 'but these have baraka!' as if the person who grew them gave them some extra blessings. In my knowledge, ALL food has baraka, if Allah wills it to be so, but it doesn't mean u should eat something that causes an allergic reaction! I know this sounds lie I'm being ungrateful, but I'm not. Its not the offer that upset me, but it was just the whole way that these were 'special' or even 'magic' oranges because they were grown by a sheikh.
The thing that appealed to me about Islam, and led me to embracing it, was how it was different from Christianity.
In Christianity, there is this intermediary step towards Gd (swt) in the form of priests, vicars, bishops and even Jesus (as).
But, for me, Islam was perfect because you're not being led blindly around by other, fallible, human-beings. This is not to say we should ignore scholars or Islamic history like some do. We should listen to them (a variety of them) and THEN make our own minds up, on the day of judgement WE are responsible for our own decisions, and we can't pass any mistake over to someone we were following blindly.
What I DISLIKE about SOME (note: SOME) approaches to following scholars s that there are similarities to tribalism (not in relation to the different madhabs):
"I follow Sheikh so-and-so therefore Imam other-so-and-so is WRONG and u should never listen to him"
I know this isn't common, but it DOES exist.
anyway, rant over
Don't just do something! Stand there.
is there a certain way of kissing the hands of a shaykh or something?
out of respect for him.
and the tabi'een and the early imams.
the kissing of the hands is from the sunnah of the sahabas. the sahabas use to kiss the feet and hands of the holy prophet (saw), even the jews would kiss the hands of the prophet
Imam Muslim (r.h) asked permission to kiss the feet of Imam Bukhari (r.h). it's all about respect and this is all from the sunnah of the prophet
suhba is stressed a lot in islam. just by being in the company of the beloveds of Allah (swt) holds many great rewards. if rabia basri (r.h) was here now, i'll do anything just to be in her pious company. i'm sure no1 has the niyyah that the company of a shaykh is better than the zhikr of Allah (swt).
anyway, gota dash. will add to this later insha'Allah.
lol. i understand where they're coming from. once you have this attachment with your shaykh you'll want to treasure everything of theirs and whatever they've touched etc. i dunno, maybe you'll only truly understand where these people are cuming from once you have a shaykh of ur own and have this bond with them wa allahu alam.