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Holland moves to ban burqa [/b]
[b]The Netherlands is set to become the first European country to ban the niqab in public
The Dutch government has said it intends to ban the wearing of burqas and other Muslim full-face veils in public, justifying the move on security grounds.[/b]
Reports said on Friday that Rita Verdonk, the Dutch minister for immigration, would soon draw up legislation to implement a ban on the burqa.
This will make the Netherlands, once among Europe's most liberal states, the first European country to impose a complete ban on Muslim veil.
The country's Muslim community estimates that only about 50 women there wear the head-to-toe burqa or the niqab full-face veil.
Verdonk said in a statement: "The cabinet finds it undesirable that face-covering clothing - including the burqa - is worn in public places for reasons of public order, security and protection of citizens.
"From a security standpoint, people should always be recognisable and from the standpoint of integration, we think people should be able to communicate with one another."
Veil debate
Existing legislation in the Netherlands already limits the wearing of burqas and other total face-coverings on public transport or in schools.
"The fuss is much bigger than the number of people concerned"
Job Cohen, mayor of Amsterdam
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Ayhan Tonca, of the main Dutch Muslim organisation CMO, said: "This is a big law for a small problem ... It is just ridiculous."
He also said that the security argument did not stand up, adding: "I do not think people who have bad things in their minds would wear a burqa."
The debate on face veils and whether they hinder Muslim integration has gathered momentum across Europe. Several countries in Europe have already outlawed them in specific places.
The campaign has focused so far on issues like the economy rather than immigration because most mainstream parties have hardened their stances in recent years.
The Dutch justice ministry said: "The cabinet finds it undesirable that garments covering the face, including the burqa, should be worn in public in view of public order, and the security and protection of fellow citizens."
Last December Dutch lawmakers voted in favour of a proposal by far-right politician Geert Wilders to outlaw face-coverings and asked Verdonk to examine the feasibility of such a ban.
Because veils were worn for religious reasons, Verdonk had feared new legislation could come into conflict with religious freedom laws. But she said on Friday that this was not the case.
France has banned the Muslim headscarf and other religious garb from state schools while discussion in Britain centres on limiting the full facial veil or niqab.
'Victimised and alienated'
Italy has a decades-old law against covering the face in public as an anti-terrorism measure. Some politicians have called for this rule to be enforced against veiled Muslim women.
Dutch Muslim groups have complained that a burqa ban would make the country's one million Muslims feel more victimised and alienated, regardless of whether they approve of burqas or not.
"This will just lead to more girls saying 'Hey, I'm also going to wear a burqa as a protest'," Naima Azough, a member of parliament from the opposition Green Left, told an election campaign meeting for fellow members of the Moroccan community.
Job Cohen, the Labour mayor of Amsterdam, said he opposed burqas in schools and public buildings, and said women wearing one who failed to get a job should not expect welfare benefits.
"From the perspective of integration and communication, it is obviously very bad because you can't see each other so the fewer the better," he told foreign journalists.
"But actually hardly anybody wears one ... The fuss is much bigger than the number of people concerned."
Since the murder of anti-immigration politician Pim Fortuyn in 2002, the Dutch have lost a reputation for tolerance, pushing through some of Europe's toughest entry and integration laws.
Social and religious tensions have escalated in the last few years, exacerbated by the murder of film director and Islam critic Theo van Gogh by a Dutch-Moroccan Muslim man in 2004.
[b]Source: Al Jazeera[i][/b][/i]
:shock:
at least it's not the veil
Character is like a tree and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
[color=indigo][b]What? Niqaab is the face veil. Do you mean the jilbab and hijab?[/b][/color]
nah, i ment they only banned the burqa which is that blue thing, so the women can still wear the black veil, can't they?
Character is like a tree and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
[color=indigo][b]Didnt you read the first part of the post?[/b][/color]
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The Dutch government has said it intends to ban the wearing of burqas and other[b] Muslim full-face veils [/b]in public.[/color]
burqa, niqab, veil- all the same thing!!!!
all this news is garbage. If the dutch and other governments think forcibly making muslim women remove their clothing is gona enhance the probabilities of community relations and integration they must be totally stupid. Because all it will do is make muslims even more angry and what they view as blatant injustices against muslims, they will seclude themselves more go underground if you like. It won't help integration at all.
And what's all this nonsense about integration we muslims, women and all do as much as other minorities to integrate. We adopt the language, dress, go to the same schools, keep muslim and non muslim friends, have social events together etc etc. Without wishing to be offensive what exactly do white anglo saxon english ppl do to give a damn about reciprocating this sense of integration? If integration goes both ways what part do they play? Why can't they learn a bit of our language not coz we're living in india, pakistan, bangladesh or somalia but if this is supposed to be the great multicultural britain they keep barking on about where is their effort. If this is a great multicultural society why don't they try out our dress? If this is a multicultural society why aren't they celebrating our festivals too. Seems all one sided. We should eat like them, dress like them, talk like them, in every way be like them this is not integration this is robotic assimilation. I never signed up to britain to have my life dictated to me under the guise of a so called democracy.
So this crap about the removing niqabs from women as a bid for integration is a lie that won't wash with me.
According to the Dutch cabinet, "burqas disturb public order, citizens and safety."
Other European countries have banned the niqab but on a small scale, or are trying to.
- In Belgium, the city of Maaseik, on the Dutch border, has banned the niqab.
- In Italy the government has said it will put forward draft new legislation to ban the veil.
- In Germany, in four German states have banned teachers from wearing headscarves and in one state the ban applies to all civil servants.
- And as we all know France has banned the headscarf.
From schools.
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religious symbols in France are only banned in schools and work places, they can't ban them completely, many Orthodox Jews cannot cover their hair either.
IMHO it is naive to assume that they are picking on Muslims, it is a security threat whether we like it or not, apparently suicide bombers have worn them in the past.
I can't believe how angry people are about this, in Islam we are suppose to obey the law of the land, interestingly when it comes to debates like imams / mosque teachers not hitting kids in mosque Muslims are happy to obey the law of the land, and hitting kids in mosques is mandatory (within reason of course), but the niqab for the vast majority of Muslims is not mandatory but people blow the whole thing out of proportion, its BLATENT hypocrisy, don't people have better things to do then make a song and dance over petty issues like this? Besides far too many women are forced to wear it, I would say about 40% are forced, my mum says about a two thirds are forced to wear it, my mum does not even know any body that is not forced to wear it, perhaps that is the reason why Muslims don't want it banned? because many women would not normally choose to wear it? in situations like these the kafir claim Islam is a threat to the West. Besides how many people have shown such outrage to the dreadful number of Iraqis that have died? I haven't seen anyone with equal outrage.
We need to get our priorities sorted out!
[size=7]Now I bet everybody is gonna bite my head off for mine and my mums estimation on how many women are forced to wear niqab, truth is nobody knows, but not getting annoyed by the number of women that are forced to wear it but at the same time supporting a womans right to wear it is hypocrisy, forcing women is contrary to Islam [/size]
so muslim girls don't go to school? lucky things!
Character is like a tree and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
they do.
don't twist what he said Zara.
i just assumed that they would have choson to wear hijab rather than go to school.
Character is like a tree and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
Salam
Naturally.
What else did you expect?
Infact, I am surprised it has taken them so long to ban women from covering up.
I was talking to a dutch girl in city centre the other day.
She was visiting our Manchester.
I asked her straight:
Netherlands being the porn capital of the world,
how can you people tolerate ANY clothes in your country?
She laughed hysterically.
Omrow
Does anyone have any statistics on burqa-clad criminal enterprises, and how common they are?
I for one have never seen a bank being held up by a group of burqa-clad individuals.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
yeah it's a load of excrement to put it politely. Why don't they ban balaclavas and stockings too coz that's what is used in professional robberies not burqas :roll:
Not trying to be difficult but from today's Toronto Star: [url=http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/A... Rasheed Khalid was alone in his Brampton jewellery store filling the display cases with yellow gold rings and necklaces when two people, one wearing a head-to-toe black burqa, appeared outside his locked door.[/color][/url]
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you know where the water tastes like cherry wine[/size]
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
loool
It's not really funny, but the timing is impeccable.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Agreed.
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Jewel heists target Asians
One recent robbery included a male thief disguised in a head-to-toe burqa
Nov. 21, 2006. 10:14 AM
BETSY POWELL AND JOHN DUNCANSON
STAFF REPORTERS
Abdul Rasheed Khalid was alone in his Brampton jewellery store filling the display cases with yellow gold rings and necklaces when two people, one wearing a head-to-toe black burqa, appeared outside his locked door.
"Salamu alaikum," the 58-year-old store owner said after pushing the entry buzzer, believing them to be a Muslim couple. There was no reply, and seconds later the pair — both males — forced him at gunpoint to the back office where he was bound with duct tape and hit several times. Then his store was cleaned out.
"Keep quiet, keep quiet, close your eyes," they said, while emptying the red velvet trays into duffel bags carried by an accomplice. Khalid caught a glimpse of the crooks. He thinks they were Pakistani or Indian.
Last Friday's daylight robbery has other South Asian jewellers across the GTA on edge, fearful they'll be next. The thieves didn't seem to care that Zaibi Jewellers is in the same strip mall as a storefront Peel Region police station at McLaughlin Rd. and Ray Lawson Blvd.
That unease is reflected by police, who say that robberies are up overall in Peel but there has been a particular spike in the number of South Asian jewellery heists. Det. Sgt. Bruce Chapman, who runs the Peel force's central robbery unit, said police are "doing everything we can to solve each and every one" of the robberies.
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changed the link to not stratch the page.
100 linked to that aswell. (hence me finding it funny as soon as I mention a 'crazy' idea, being told it has been done!)
But just one instance does not add up to the amount of villification that it recieves for 'security reasons'.
People don't like it, and need an excuse. the good old scare tactics still work.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Admin, you are right. But I still don't like the burqa.
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The Archbishop of York says British Airways' refusal to let a staff member openly wear a cross is "nonsense".
Dr John Sentamu, the country's second most senior Church of England cleric, urged BA to reconsider its decision.
He said the ruling - allowing male Sikh staff to wear turbans and female Muslim staff to wear hijabs, as they cannot be worn under a uniform - was "flawed".
Heathrow check-in worker Nadia Eweida, 55, of Twickenham, London, lost her appeal against BA's decision on Monday.
She has been on unpaid leave since her bosses first said she could not visibly wear her cross.
BA denied it had banned the wearing of crosses and said Ms Eweida had a right to a second appeal.
stmark,
He is the archbishop, not the archduke. This issue is petty and complex, a horrid combination, but I suppose if it is a question of the right to practise her faith her point is less petty than theirs. She would need to demonstrate that it is a serious impingement on her faith by way of appeal and I doubt any vicar could claim she is obliged, just as the archbishop has pointed out he does not attend a synagogue wearing a prominent cross because it is unnecessary and credibly offensive. Then again British Airways could simply be gracious, it is not as if she is encouraging strikes and it is only a small necklace. Maybe BA could come up with a regulation on sizes and only backtrack if tensions emerge like people demanding they can come in to work with CND badges.
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August 23, 2006
PHILADELPHIA --A man convicted of robbing businesses while wearing traditional Islamic women's clothing that hid his face was sentenced Wednesday to 82 years in prison.
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Skeeters, 30, was convicted in March of the armed robberies of three pizza parlors and a grocery store committed by a burqa-clad gunman.
"Employees were tied up and terrorized, staring at the barrel of a sawed-off shotgun, wondering if they were going to live to see another day," U.S. Attorney Patrick Meehan said.
Skeeters was convicted of conspiracy, interference with interstate commerce by robbery and firearms charges.
His attorney did not immediately return a call seeking comment
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