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The Revival will be taking part in a discussion tomorrow morning on BBC Asian Radio about a new sikh computer game, where sikhs basically kill Muslims and vice bersa. The debate is whether this is good or not, should the game be banned or not, will the game create more hatred and divisions between sikhs and Muslims.... etc...
pls read below and share your views now.... as we need ur comments on this issue to support the muslim argument
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Here are a couple of links which should give you more insight into the story and the game. Also the developer of the game will be interviewed on the BBC Asian Network at around 8:10am.
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Tis a game.
No need for political correctness. If its violent, then its the parents' job to make sure the kids playing them are old enough. (hint: look at the age certificate!)
Apart from that its part of the fun of games. Being politically incorrect.
In Red Alert I used to play the soviets.
However saying that I did feel a pang of guilt playing Conflict: Desert Strom, killing the Iraqi's. I stopped playing it, so my original answer may have a touch of hypocrisy in it...
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Having had a look at the website... I gotta say video games are more akin to brain washing than to actually educate.
They are one-sided, and if educational will only teach you a very biased view of what happened. Just like most hollywood films. was the war between the chinese and the Japs? well stick in a heroic American.
Was it Russia vs Germany? stick in a yank.
Was it a british Sub? Not any longer. Long live America.
So I see this more akin to brainwashing than education.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
If it really is just Sikhs versus Muslims you could say the game teaches division and hostility and that it is unpleasant if anyone, Muslim or Sikh, would stoop to playing such a game. You could also rag the graphics and gameplay.
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OMG have u seen the pics in the first link Ed put up?! - they've copied Prince of Persia!! :?
the gaming dude made some good points. (mentioned GTA too ;))
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this isn't new though. Apparently there are games out there where you can be a soldier in the Vietnam war for example. There's even one out there where you can be an American soldier in the current Iraq war, and go around killing Iraqis, and it's always updated to reflect what's occuring their presently. There was one made by radical muslims where the object was to be a soldier who had to wipe out the last non believers in the world. This was banned, and rightly so. So why are other games like this still in circulation .
Personally I think sick demented ppl make these games not for entertainment or so called education, but just to make a few bucks. In the process they do indoctrinate ppl, but the game makers won't fess up to this.
If kids want to learn about their history, then there are healthy alternatives out there i/e books, CD Roms, Videos. If computer games were as educational as this game maker is claiming, why don't you ever hear of teachers, and schools recommending computer games as a a tool for their studies? Surely they'd be available in the school library if they were so "useful".
I missed the Revival input, coz i normally tune in between 9-12 that's the debate period! However it was clear the game maker had no intention of educating Sikh youth, he just wanted to entertain them, and generate a load of cash. The ill efffects of his game didn't seem to concern him at all. He seemed to wash his hands of any ill effects his game would have on kids, claiming most kids won't end up hating muslims coz of it. Well how patronising is that to the youth? He needs to give them a little more credit. You only need to look at the effect violent games have had on teens in the past to realise he's feeding us a bunch of lies.
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lol. yash you didn't miss the revival input. mohammed ayub, the guy from the revival, was introduced at the beginning, around 9am. but he didn't say much, maybe coz the other muslim guy, faraz i think his name was, was already making loadsa good points.
btw the game is going to be distributed free, the developer isn't expecting to get any money out of it.
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Free? Ok call me a sceptic but he still has his motives for producing such a game. Most of the Sikh callers clearly don't want their kids playing this sort of game, they're afraid their kids may foster hatred against muslim class mates and muslims in general.
Muhammad Ayub...mm he musta been quiet coz i don't remember him much. Speak up next time lol.
Interesting the game maker made one argument, which has really been wasted recently. That it's his right, in a free and democratic society to produce this game. Well that card's already been played i'm sick of hearing that excuse. Someone mentioned so using this argument it's ok to produce a game on the holocaust, how would that go down? Freedom of speech, thght and behaviour doesn't give ppl free reign to disperse their immorality on others, especially innocent kids.
It seems like we've come to a point in society where "anything" goes, coz it's a free country.
Doesn't it say something for the decline in morals? Some may say oh you're being uptight, lighten up we still have morals. But when anything goes regardless of the damage it can cause in society am i really being uptight?
Too much onus is placed on parents, and none on the producers of the game. The presenter, (although i like her much better than the previous one) seemed to think that parents control everything. Her argument was yeah this game is great, it's just another action game, no harm. If parents don't want their kids playing this, they shouldn't let them play the game. Well sorry honey but kids and teens have ways of accessing things without parents permission, she should know she was a kid once. Parents can't be expected to keep an eye on their kids 24//7. If this game is free, any kid can dowload it fairly easily in a public library or school. Since most kids have their game consoles in their rooms and parents are too busy, who's to know what they're up to?
the game looks crap
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I just noticed, on his website the game's creator says that it is not Sikhs vs. Muslims but a historical battle that if you play it and assess the outcomes, promotes peace. He suggests the game is not promoted that way as knowing the outcomes would spoil the gaming experience:
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GOOD GAME!
The sequels are ridiculous though :roll:
yup.
i havent played the sequels. or if i did i don't remember. lol.
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We're talkin about the PS2 version right because there was also a NES version and they were all gay.
The PS2 one rocked though - there are 2 sequels Warrior Within and the Two Thrones - total waste of money.
I played a grand total of about 30 seconds of warrior within, in that 30 seconds I "got to see" the back end of a basically nude nubile undead woman (and seriously, is there some kind of audience interested in that?) walk across the screen along with some mindless gore. The game went from an interesting puzzle action game in Sands of Time to a light porn gore fest geek sell out.
**on a brief aside back to the topic... isn't anybody more than slightly alarmed that somebody was not only thinking up such a concept as a "kill all the Muslims" game, but also found a market for it? If I were a Muslim I think I might look twice every time I ran into a sikh if that's what's going through their heads...
but i dont think thats whats going through most sikhs heads
hardly any i would think, at least not the ones in UK
theres too much inter-dependancy and diversity, and the law - to stop that from happening
how this game found a market, i havnt the foggiest
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
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Its simple how it found a market.
Political incorrectness. You are going against 'The Man'.
Hell, if my PC was anywhere decent, I would have a go!
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
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