Last week Michael Gove of the Con Dem Government announced a new initiative where people and communities will be able to get funding in order to start up new schools.
One small hitch he may have overlooked is that Many Muslims should find this idea extremely interesting - it allowes the Muslim community to open new schools if they can get together and suitably organised.
Cool innit?
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That is the idea, and having a new regulatory system for it is not overlooking anything.
Yep - read the process of applications, approvals, details of what will/will not be taught etc means those who teach what the govt want taught will be approved and allowed to carry on running otherwise they will not be approved or will be stopped by Ofsted.
No doubt those who set up Muslim schools will feed us with the normal propaganda of they will teach genuine Islam, they have a free hand to teach what they want, no controls or influence from govt etc....blah blah blah...
People should just be honest - but I guess they'd just be marginalised if they were to tell the truth...
(EDIT - @ joie,) I know that is the idea, to allow communities to build new schools etc, but I think there is a segment of voters who may not have realised that this also is beneficial to Muslims etc too. (just imagine when the Daily Mail finds out!)
Especially since the Tories when in opposition did try to have a go at the then government for allowing a Muslim school that had links to "extremist Muslim organisations" and almost politicised Muslim Schools..
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
yes, lets already be suspicious of all the Muslims that may decide that they want to help the Muslim community.
So I assume that OFSTED is another evil organisation set up all those years ago with the express aim to subvert the muslims, eh?
Marvelous.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Very nicely put, and they will write another of their wierdly overblown stories. I think Cameron will like standing next to Clegg at least because they are categorically then not a Daily Mail kind of outfit.
It is not so much that schools can ignore the curriculum, but that community schools are not required by discrimination laws to dilute their admissions criteria, ultimately cater to other wishes, and thus distort the whole enterprise. It is a much better idea than abolishing the curriculum.
No - most are quite sincere in what they want to do. They only run into a brick wall of the existing system, and its ideological aims and objectives which are difficult to sell to Muslims unless they are concealed, dressed up or new fabrications surrounding them. I've met enough people who come out with pure nonsense - they think people will never find out what actually goes on. Just look at even scholars lieing and distoring what elections actually mean to justify their fataawa of participating - they must really think we are all dumb and have no access to research papers and expert opinions on the topic...
It's a body that has its direction set by the govt and policy - whatever the govt wants to achieve in education, OFSTED ensure that institutions set up achieve it or they get shut down.
Like, a few years ago the government was worried that British students were left behind in the emerging comms and tech sectors and invested massively in hi-tech suites.
They also introduced laws requiring nurseries to ensure everyone gets baptised, forcing primary schools to sing Church of England hymns each morning and before meals, and handing 6th form colleges over to the military. :roll:
my point exactly.
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
I will porbably regret this because you seem incapable of accepting any flaws in any of your arguments in anything, but I have moved the discusion on voting in Islam over here.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Surprise, surprise... what have we on the govt's website:
"Groups wanting to set up Free Schools will have to go through a strict vetting process, including Criminal Records Bureau (CRB) checks. Any groups that support violence, intolerance, hatred, or whose ideology is against the UK’s democratic values, will be rejected."
Nicely slotted in there is the point about only "westernised secularists" who love the UK's "democractic values!" allowed - others keep out...
No doubt many will post and say they are referring to the commies - the red threat! Don't I know that there is a cold war going on - they can't have them running our schools!
Shame on me for ever thinking outside the box and questioning this awfully nice govt's policy!!!
you do realise that most school goers are below voting age...
and I would hazard that the majority of Muslims have no issue with the UK's democratic values (but probably do want the politicians to be way more principled.)
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
From the outrage at the govt's attempts at labelling those who believed homosexuality was a sin, I'd say most Muslims do have a problem with the "UK's democractic values" - I've yet to come across a Muslim who accepts same sex marriages, legitimacy/rights for homosexuality etc But I've heard they exist...
Now that free money is available no doubt many more "Muslims" will become "tolerant" of such issues...
What are you on about? Who accepts what now?
Interesting comment... more questionable stuff being added to already questionable human rights...
"Human rights are gay rights and gay rights are human rights," Secretary Clinton declared today at a State Department event celebrating LGBT pride month.
Aah, Secretary Clinton, the one in charge of UK education policy... :/
(The government also failed and miserably dropped its plans to decide what sort of Muslim was extreme and what sort was moderate. You should let it go.)
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
how many new Muslim schools do you think will be made?
I think its waste of money; the money being taken out of the state schools already set up and from the tax payers could be used to actually improve those schools and education. Instead of middle class people setting up new schools for their children and increasing their potential.
unfair.
i was watching Question time.
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
On the other hand throwing more money at a problem does not always fix things - people who have different and radical ideas will be kept out of the loop and the same old structures will carry on.
This is a change that will allow for radical change and will also make current schools sit up and take notice as their future will not be certain if they underperform.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
dya really think so?
when a lot of grammar schools closed did the normal schools start performing better? [thats a proper question as i don't actually know but i'm guessing no...]
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
The Guardian exposed part of internal government discussions regarding who they see as extremists as part of their larger war on Islam.
Most Muslims felt offended that they were included in the government's vision of an acceptable "muslim" and "islam".
Naturally, the govt as its predecessors over the last two centuries, operate a divide and rule approach to their enemies - could hardly divide them where the majority comprised "enemies" so they had to backtrack and modify the formula which will no doubt be presented.
It already appears in legislation, policy making, funding etc See the quote above where free schools cannot be operated by those "who speak against Democratic values" - any idiot knows freedom of speech, expression etc is ok so who is this directed at??? Muslims who prefer Islam to democracy! (That excludes you You - the govt would be most happy with you in their bed given you love democracy!)
What evidence do you have that the government have changed its spots?
BTW have you ever read their history of colonialism in the Muslim world and their tactics? If you have, maybe you can give us a synopsis? If you haven't, maybe you should...
Or even the question, is introducing free market "profit seeking" initiatives and forces in the education system the way to provide reform...
that means nothing to me :S
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
The conservatives believe in an ideology where without God everything is natural, like how science maps natural laws of the universe (physics, chemistry, biology etc), this they erroneously extend to human behavior, for example:
Man evolved from amoeba and our ancestors are apes...
Man was born in a state of nature thus has natural human rights! (From where? The jungle???)
Man naturally has feelings of pleasure and pain so this is the same as morality...
Society forms when people have had enough of the jungle and need security...
etc
They apply the same thinking to the economy - believing that if you let everybody do what they want, there is a (magical) "invisibly hand" that nature provides that ensures everybody get what they want. They try to extend this thinking to all services including schools and education - letting the private sector compete for profit and organise things in a spirit of free market where naturally everything gets sorted out...
Socialists oppose that kind of thinking and argue that is wrong - the state should plan and organise services and resources so everybody has a share.
Both philosophies are nonsense - the solution is in Islam, but the problem is most Muslims have no knowledge of the economic model or paradigms Islam provides, so invariably mimic either secular capitalist ideas or socialist ideas - their own ideology safely parked in the background never to be used!
Make a little more sense now?
So what your saying is that the govt are making these schools in the hope that the education system will sort itself out?
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
No, she is saying the gvoernment is doing this to undermine the Muslim community and it is a conspiracy to stop Muslims from teaching the true islam.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Yep - and its approach is to reduce government involvement as much as possible.
It is however aware Muslims may take advantage so it makes it clear on its site and its processes - we will not let madrassas flourish! It states that those who do not respect democratic values cannot open such schools - so it intertwines its agenda of advocating a BritishIslam and opposing Islam to grow in this society, especially the education system.