The Disease of Moderate Muslims

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The Disease of Moderate Muslims[/b]

Life is not always black and white, but there are times when we are forced to adopt a certain position. The words of George Bush after 9/11: “you are either with us or against us” is one such example, when it became necessary for Muslims and non-Muslims to state their position. Because, when a vicious criminal gangster demands loyalty or compliance, a response is required, otherwise silence will constitute acquiescence.

For the Muslims as followers of Islam, the response should be naturally along the following lines: we are not with you Mr. Bush, make no mistake about it, we will never be with you, because our allegiance will always lie with Islam.

Let alone being an ally, why would anyone want to be even associated with: an illiterate drunk, a mass murderer, a religious-fanatic who talks to ‘god’ (Satan), a liar (WMD in Iraq), a cheat (Florida election 2000) and a known thief [1]. Mr Bush, you are no different to the savage adversaries of the noble Salahuddin al-Ayubi (Saladin). Like your ancestors you have a fork tongue, whilst you talk of being a friend, your media is full of hate-filled preachers inciting the masses to commit acts like flushing the inimitable Quran down the toilet to the obscene porn-torture that we have seen in Iraq (Abu Ghraib).

Those Muslims who chose to ally with Bush will be classified as the ‘moderates’ and the rest by de facto are the ‘radicals’. For the radicals there are numerous other pejorative labels like extremists, fundamentalists, militants, and terrorists. This bifurcation of radicals and moderates is one that has been defined to suit the interests of the West, long before 9/11.

Being a moderate or radical has no relationship with how devout the individual is. The distinction is marked by how one views the American led adventure and its role in the Muslim world. If you oppose the American agenda, you are a radical, otherwise you are a moderate. Depending on the level of opposition expressed to the US-led foreign policy it determines ones position within the radical spectrum. For example, those who confine to political activity are less of an extremist than those who engage physically.

So what is the response of the moderate camp with respect to the demands made by Bush? Many of them will claim to oppose Bush and the so-called ‘terrorists’, showing their confused mindset; the more sly ones will use different language depending on whom they are addressing, they call it ‘diplomacy’, ‘wisdom’ etc.

Some of the more extreme moderates will claim to sit on both camps and they do not see a contradiction since Bush is pro-Islam according to them. Yes, you can even have Iftar at the White House, naturally it must be true! One of their leaders with beard like a Rabbi or an Orthodox priest even claimed that even Hilary Clinton embraced Islam at his hands! They elaborate their position by stating that the father of George Bush, who led the first Gulf War as the leader (Ameer) of Jihad to liberate Kuwait from the infidel Saddam Hussein. So, George Bush junior is simply continuing that ‘Jihad’, thus supporting Bush is supporting real ‘Jihad’!

However, the vast majority of the moderates see the source of the problem as being an internal one, they argue, if the Muslims, especially the radical ones altered their behaviour by ceasing physical resistance, Islam would not get a bad press, and the west would eventually embrace Islam, the conflict would cease to exist. Listed below are some of their main arguments which elaborate their position.

a) The good Muslim image syndrome and the media.

The moderates argue that acts of resistance gives Islam and Muslims a bad image in the media, but the media is not a neutral body; it is the mouth piece for the American led imperialism. In fact, it is the media that is constantly inciting and legitimising the much greater levels of violence against the Muslim masses. The journalists, editors, and commentators are the real violent pack of wild hyenas, who write with the ‘ink’ drawn from the innocent blood of the women and children of Iraq , Afghanistan and Palestine . Like a pack of ugly hyenas, they devour those who are voiceless whilst singing songs of free speech to them from their monopoly position as columnists and editorials. They are constantly encouraging state-terrorism against the Muslims, preaching a message of hate under the toxic influence of militant liberalism.

From the recent Danish cartoons episode, one would have thought the moderates would have learnt by now that the media and the fanatical liberal camp does not need a reason to attack Islam and Muslims.

The media’s portrayal of the violence is biased by any standards and it functions to justify colonial violence; for example it conveys the image that the F16 Pilots dropping huge bombs displaying shock-and-awe as a justified response of a ‘just’ war (remember those real WMDs in Iraq facing the mythical WMDs of Israel!), but the suicide bombers in Iraq with their tiny bombs are criminals. These simpleton moderates should know that the acts of resistance are not unilateral or one-sided; the context is the retaliation to much larger levels of violence inflicted by the West.

b) Retaliation

Even as the bombs drop in Baghdad, seeing the carnage in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, and the porn-torture in Abu-Ghraib by the soldiers of freedom and democracy, the moderates argue against those who are engaged in the noble acts of resistance. Their logic is that Muslims should not lower themselves to the level of the Americans by retaliating in kind. In other words, these moderates are happy to march into Jenin, Fallujah, and Kabul, then wave their so-called moral flag of victory standing over the dead bodies of the innocent Muslims rather than defend them in the first place! They derive their so-called higher ‘moral’ values from the cowardice nature of turning the other cheek, which defies human reason and contradicts Islamic values.

War and peace between nations is a bilateral relationship at the very least, so how can one argue for adopting a unilateral position regardless of how the other party is conducting. Yet, the confused moderates expect the Muslims to have an absolute moral position in warfare regardless of how the enemy is behaving. This means if the enemies bomb our cities, we should not bomb theirs, because the ‘wisdom’ of the moderates is that Muslims should have higher ‘values’ and not kill civilians. This type of advice sounds like the ethos of the Dodos that marched to their own extinction. If we apply the above logic to say trade, this means if a nation supplies faulty goods, the Muslims should still pay them as they have an absolute moral position of keeping to their side of the bargain

International relationship whether it is trade, diplomacy or warfare is based on reciprocity, and this the reality of how it function. This is why the Quran says clearly “fight them as they fight you” and not how you think they should be fought! If they use explosives we too use that. If they kill our civilians we too retaliate in kind to deter them from killing more of our civilians. This conforms to reason, reality of life and to Islamic texts.

c) The killing of ‘innocent’ people.

The moderates selectively and out of context cite the evidences, where the Prophet (SAW) and His successors (Khalifs) forbade the killing of women and children in the course of war. However, that was the initial position adopted by the Muslim army and it is not absolute, otherwise it would contradict other evidences. For example, the Prophet (SAW) also permitted the use of catapults in war knowing that it would lead to the killings of non-combatants. Likewise, under that absolute prohibition of killing non-combatants, Muslims could not engage in warfare today, as the use of high explosives would inevitably lead to losses of non-combatants. Therefore, adopting such a position would result in instant capitulation, which is forbidden, as Muslims are required to defend themselves adequately. The Quran explicitly commands the Muslims to defend and to deter the enemy, and to deter the enemy one must match or excel the firepower of the enemy and be prepared to use them in retaliation of kind.

The notion of innocent people in times of conflict is not defined by any laws or principles but by the conduct of the parties involved. If a nation attacks the civilians of another nation then by definition their own civilians become legitimate targets . These shameless moderates will selectively point out the far fewer numbers of civilians (who are collectively re-electing war mongering governments) killed in retaliation, and concurrently remain silent towards the much greater number of innocent Muslims killed by the Anglo-US-Israeli axis of evil. Of course, the moderates will tell you of their opposition to the killing of innocent people by pointing the retaliatory acts of 3/11, 7/7, 9/11, whilst the killing of Muslims as simply a foreign policy that they dislike!

d) Armchair Jihadist versus the armchair hypocrites (traitors).

Some of the moderates feeling no shame in their lack of support for resistance to the Anglo-American-Israeli aggression take a step further by criticising even those who provide political support. They use the slur of armchair-Jihadist in describing them, and demand that they should practice what they preach. Voicing support is also part of Jihad and thus they are practicing what they are preaching. Likewise not everyone who was pro-War over Iraq ended up in the battlefield. This shows their hypocritical nature as these moderates make these arguments only to the Muslims and not the non-Muslims who are voicing support for war, perhaps a natural consequence of suffering from the good Muslim image syndrome!

If one is unable to engage physically for any reason at the very least one can provide support by voicing their opinions. That is far better than the moderates who sneer at them, thus they show disdain for Jihad or any from of resistance to the aggression; this is an act of cowardice and treachery. Like cowards and hypocrites, their so-called support for Palestine or Iraq is a lie, as they are constantly calling for resistance to cease without providing an alternative. Such shameful language and behaviour is not even seen in the non-Muslims who are openly supporting the resistance against imperial aggression.

Yamin Zakaria

London , UK

Copyright © Yamin Zakaria 2007

"TheRevivalEditor" wrote:
SALAAM
CONTROVERSIAL ARTICLE BELOW. HAVE A READ AND SHARE YOUR VIEWS?
ARE YOU A MODERATE? ARE YOU AN EXTREMIST OR RADICAL?
WHO DEFINES THESE TERMS?
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WASALAAM

I don't think this article particularly deserves a response, but since you ask, Ed, I'll give you my take.

The guy is defending terrorism, or at least killing innocent people: anyone who doesn't advocate or support killing innocent people is a moderate and therefore diseased.

This article is a more an emotive rant rather than anything that was thought through. If any rational thought was put to this article then it was about its structure rather than its content.

"TheRevivalEditor" wrote:

ARE YOU A MODERATE? ARE YOU AN EXTREMIST OR RADICAL?
WHO DEFINES THESE TERMS?
WHERE DO YOU FIT?

These labels are broad generalisations that help to introduce someone to a debate (any debate). Complexities, nuances and grey areas are overlooked for the sake of momentary clarity. You have to bear in mind that once you get into a debate (learn more about it, appreciate its nuances, become familiar with the discourse) you can afford to, and should, leave behind these simple and cosmetic labels.

Everyone defines such terms differently. However, very often these can reveal more about the person applying the labels than the person/people being labelled.

I've always got the impression that the real western definition of a moderate as regards to religion is someone who only believes half heartedly, anyone who maintains certitude and so prioritises their religion over anything else is in essence also regarded as an extremist. This is obviously contrary to the Islamic defintion of commendable moderation, which mainly exhorts towards adopting a sensible attitude towards physical devotions etc.

Look, here's the simple solution. Have a go at Bush for his neo-conservatism and have a go at the terrorists for, you know betraying the Muslims. Take the middle ground! It's called moderation! Silk and Griffin can't see that and nor can bin Laden. But you lot can!

Chin up, mate! Life's too short.

There are so many people in the world, of all beliefs/backgrounds, who are very keen to view everything in extremes of black and white. It must be because their brains are incapable of experiencing subtle shades of grey.

Don't just do something! Stand there.

"Ya'qub" wrote:
There are so many people in the world, of all beliefs/backgrounds, who are very keen to view everything in extremes of black and white. It must be because their brains are incapable of experiencing subtle shades of grey.

I prefer shades of blue

Back in BLACK

^^^ typical male colour :roll:

No not the gum drop buttons! – Gingy

"Naz" wrote:
^^^ typical male colour :roll:

Not true... alot of girls like blue too.

Which makes me smile Biggrin

Back in BLACK

"Seraphim" wrote:
"Naz" wrote:
^^^ typical male colour :roll:

Not true... alot of girls like blue too.

Which makes me smile Biggrin

its amazing how a slight change of shade can radically affect the feelings someone has towards a colour.

well...its not actually that amazing, or that common to be honest.

i just noticed because i absolutley HATE the shade of red that Man U play in....and i LOVE the shade of red Arsenal play in.

I'm not shallow. Or petty. My mummy says I'm cool.

Don't just do something! Stand there.

"<a href=" target="0">Daniel Hannan, MEP</a>" wrote:

Every day, outside my central London flat, I walk past women wearing the hijab. We smile at each other and usually exchange a friendly word.

Not so long ago, local people would have viewed such dress as provocative: the symbol of an alien religion. But Londoners are a tolerant lot and, as the years have passed, they have come to see the veil for what it is: a sign of personal devotion.

The veiled women in question are, of course, the Roman Catholic nuns who run the local homeless centre. It is easy to forget how recent and powerful a force anti-popery was in British politics. The restoration of a Catholic episcopacy in the 19th century led to riots across the country. And such feelings lasted well into the 20th century, even at the highest levels of politics.

Ernest Bevin once shared a railway carriage with a priest in a soutane and was so thrown that he kept making a sign to ward off evil and muttering "black crows".

Catholics in those days, like Muslims today, were seen by many as potential fifth columnists. Just as Britain now seems to be engaged in an undeclared war against jihadist terrorism, so it spent the greater part of the 17th and 18th centuries in a state of semi-permanent conflict with Europe's Catholic powers.

The historian J P Kenyon likened the mood to that of the Cold War. In the 1950s, Western Communist parties, however much they loathed Stalin, were stigmatised as pro-Moscow, and even mainstream socialists were not always trusted. Similarly, during the 17th century, British Catholics were feared as papal agents, and even high church Anglicans often came under suspicion.

A sense of being under siege makes people look anxiously for enemies within. This is the root of what Lefties call "Islamophobia". You won't find many commentators attacking, say, abstinence from alcohol, or the hajj, or circumcision. Their worry, rather, is that British Muslims, to use the allegation traditionally thrown at British Catholics, might be "loyal to a foreign prince".

In both cases, the charge is unfair. Most British Muslims have about as much in common with Mohamed Atta as most contemporary British Catholics had with Guy Fawkes, a jihadist who had been radicalised in foreign wars.

But Catholics of that era understood that, unfair or not, the charge had to be answered courteously and patiently. So they made great play of their patriotism, flying the flag from their churches, ostentatiously praying for the monarch of the day until, in the end, the accusation of divided loyalties was belied by the lists of Catholics on war memorials. In the phrase of the time, Catholics "proved their loyalty".

There is evidence that British Muslims are trying to do the same thing. Consider, for example, the reaction when Gillian Gibbons was arrested in Sudan after calling a teddy bear "Muhammad". The phone-ins were jammed by angry British Muslims, the Sudanese embassy picketed by women in hijabs.

Why did Muslims in Britain demonstrate when their co-religionists in, say, Bahrain and Brunei did not? Because they felt connected to Mrs Gibbons as Britons. They were protesting against the mistreatment of a fellow subject.

Consider, too, the recent plan to kidnap and behead a Muslim Serviceman. Quite rightly, attention was devoted to the vile men who had conceived the plot. But the fact that hundreds of Muslims are serving in the Queen's uniform in the first place was deemed un-newsworthy.

Although it is rarely reported, nearly every Muslim organisation regularly enjoins young men to join the Armed Forces. Several imams have gone so far as to declare that a Muslim soldier who dies fighting for Britain, even if in conflict against fellow Muslims, is a martyr.

Of course there are fanatics who reject Western values and who maintain that the Koran is incompatible with liberal democracy. Curiously, they have allies among some Western conservatives, who also like to put the most extreme interpretation they can on Muslim doctrines.

Did you know, for example, that death by stoning is not mentioned anywhere in the Koran? Its scriptural sanction comes from the Old Testament. But, read any internet discussion, and you will find two sets of people claiming that stoning forms part of Islamic jurisdiction anyway: Islamic fundamentalists, and anti?Islamists.

I have yet to meet a Muslim constituent who wants such punishments in Britain. On the contrary, the refrain I hear from them again and again is: "This is the best country in the world for Muslims to live in."

It is true that you don't always get this impression from Muslim NGOs. Although their spokesmen condemn violence and terrorism, they then often tastelessly tack on criticisms of British foreign policy. Such criticisms may or may not be justified, but the aftermath of an atrocity is no time to voice them.

Few Muslims, however, share their obsession with conflicts that are as remote from their ancestral countries as from Britain. My fellow Euro MP, Syed Kamall, is a good Muslim: he keeps the fast, tries to pray five times a day and does his best to bring his sons up with a full understanding of his faith.

But he becomes impatient when people try to drag him into arguments about Palestine, Kashmir or Iraq. "I was elected to represent London," he says. "The future of Iraq is for Iraqi politicians to decide."

David Cameron, who has spent a good deal of time talking to unpolitical Muslims, has obviously sensed their temper. He knows that his rejection of sharia will be cheered by most Muslim Britons, who have been feeling uneasy ever since the Archbishop of Canterbury's remarks. He knows, too, that his attack on forced marriages will offer moral support to many Muslims who have been campaigning against them.

Many British Muslims chose to come here. According to opinion polls, they are likelier than Christians to feel loyal to Britain (as opposed to England or Scotland). They will surely respond to David Cameron's definition of Britishness as "a confidence in the history and the institutions of our country, a basic belief that we're lucky to live here". They, of all people, know how true that is.

• Daniel Hannan is a Conservative MEP for South-East England.

  • It can never be satisfied, the mind, never. -- Wallace Stevens

I can see where hes coming from but...... the Archbishop didn't say "let's run Britain on the Sharia"

Chin up, mate! Life's too short.