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Three British-born Pakistani men are facing life sentences after being convicted of murdering a white graduate in London while drunk. BBC News Website looks at the case in detail.
Three young men get very drunk, shout racist abuse, assault a waiter in a curry house and get involved in a series of brawls, climaxing with an attack on a innocent man who crosses their path.
It sounds like an all too familiar night of violence of the type which blights many city centres in Britain.
Except that the victim, 30-year-old graduate Christopher Yates, was white, the killers were all British-born Pakistani men from devout Muslim families and the attack happened in the middle of Ramadan.
Binge drinking
On Tuesday Imran Maqsood, 21, and his friends Zahid Bashir, 23, and 25-year-old Sajid Zulfiqar were found guilty of murder.
They will be sentenced on Thursday and Judge Martin Stephens QC told them they could each receive a minimum 30-year sentence if he decides the killing was racially motivated.
Maqsood, Bashir and Zulfiqar eschewed their parents' religion and culture - although they paid lip service to it - and chose instead to imitate their white English peers with binge drinking, sex and consumerism.
The Old Bailey heard that on 7 November last year the three men got drunk on beer and brandy in the West End before heading back towards their homes in Ilford, east London.
Around 4.30am Mr Yates, a data inputter, dropped a female friend off at a bus stop and then took a short cut through the car park of the University of East London in Barking.
There he found Zulfiqar, Bashir and Maqsood, who were still drinking.
Without provocation they knocked him to the ground and began kicking and stamping on his head.
Afterwards one witness said she heard Zulfiqar saying in Urdu: "We killed the white man."
Another witness overheard them say: "That will teach the white man for interfering in Paki business."
'Ferocious attack'
Mr Yates died of extensive fracturing of the facial bones, caused by multiple kicking and stamping.
Anthony Leonard QC, prosecuting, said: "It was a ferocious attack...In particular his head was stamped on with some force...When the assault was over the defendants moved to a nearby road where they damaged several vehicles and set off car alarms as well as threatening householders."
They racially abused a black resident and then moved on to a curry house where they assaulted an Asian waiter.
Giving evidence, Maqsood said: "We were all drunk and acting like idiots in the City. I had a few fights in the City. I acted like an idiot at the Ali curry house but the bottom line is I didn't hurt Mr Yates."
They posed a "cut-throat" defence, all seeking to blame each other for Mr Yates' murder.
The trial painted a picture of three men whose drinking and womanising was kept secret from their families.
Secret girlfriend
The Old Bailey heard Maqsood's parents had no idea he drank alcohol and he even had a secret girlfriend, Sophie Shah.
Defence counsel, David Nathan, asked: "Were your parents aware of the relationship you had been having with Sophie Shah?"
Maqsood, who was born in Burnley, Lancashire, replied: "No. It's something I wouldn't do (tell them). In our religion you don't tell your parents. They might get upset."
Mr Nathan asked: "Was the relationship you were having something which was approved of in your religion before marriage?"
"No," Maqsood replied.
Ms Shah broke up with him while he was on remand at Belmarsh prison and she gave evidence at his trial, claiming he had confessed to his involvement in the killing of Mr Yates.
Fled to Yorkshire
After the killing the men fled to Yorkshire and stayed at a friend's hotel in Pontefract.
Police believe they were planning to flee the country from Manchester Airport, which has daily flights to Pakistan.
Mr Leonard said: "All three men were concerned that this would be made out to be a racist incident."
The court heard that a hotel porter overheard them discussing the reaction in the Muslim community, which would be outraged because they had been drinking alcohol during Ramadan.
A fourth man, Junaid Khan, who admitted stealing Mr Yates' mobile phone while he lay on the ground, was sentenced earlier this year.
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The writer seriously laboured the point. My reading is he [i]is[/i] trying to be a friend to Muslims, to point out the extraordinariness of it all. Maybe it can be read as implying 'wiv ve bloomin' Muslims we're goin' to ve dogs', but he rather implies you would expect this of typical leary Brits, not of Muslims. btw I'm increasingly noticing other Euros in the street at night are by and large rowdier than most Brits, but there is that ugly side to nightlife. It's a shame, I love the night, just not drunkards and smackheads. I have a lovely story about that but I think I'll save it for a less serious topic.
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[quote="100"]The writer seriously laboured the point. My reading is he [i]is[/i] trying to be a friend to Muslims, to point out the extraordinariness of it all. Maybe it can be read as implying 'wiv ve bloomin' Muslims we're goin' to ve dogs', but he rather implies you would expect this of typical leary Brits, not of Muslims. btw I'm increasingly noticing other Euros in the street at night are by and large rowdier than most Brits, but there is that ugly side to nightlife. It's a shame, I love the night, just not drunkards and smackheads. I have a lovely story about that but I think I'll save it for a less serious topic.[/quote]
I'm inclined to agree, but each to his own as I expect the following post will inform me.
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[quote="100"]That [i]so[/i] shouldn't require an explanation.[/quote]
that so does before we get off on our high horses we should remember everyone needs sympathy - especially people who do wrong
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[quote="Hedwig"]wots with the eyerolling 100, do explain...
[quote="seema*"]Muslim Sister is right why mention they are Muslim - as if the media really believes Islam is good and is shocked that Muslims can do this! - as if[/quote]
poor journalist who wrote tht article must b thinking 'damned if i do, damned if i dont'....
come on seema, y the pessimism? our media isnt THAT bad, we shud b glad, the British media is amazing compared to some others abroad. [size=7]*cough CNN, FOX cough*[/size] :wink:[/quote]
not pessimistic just lazy didnt look at reasons why this particular story was reported in this way - but really i dont care how other countries behave i expect 100% neutrality from ours and as we're not getting it then no i'm not satisfied
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[quote="MuslimSisLilSis"]it has caused war in the community-[/quote]what war?
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[quote="seema*"]not pessimistic just lazy didnt look at reasons why this particular story was reported in this way - but really i dont care how other countries behave i expect 100% neutrality from ours and as we're not getting it then no i'm not satisfied[/quote]wel i think its only fair to judge each article on its own merit - for e.g. i'm sure Robert Fisk wud b insulted if he was painted with the same brush as 'the biased media'. and to b honest, i think this article was biased [b]for[/b] us if anything! it was neither objective (no mention of muslim community's/family reaction) nor biased against us ('look at these animalistic muslims...')
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Salaam
I have no issue with the fact that people have highlighted the fact that the youth were Muslims.
Even though, we’re not used to seeing stories chatting about “Christian females” of “Jewish boys”- the fact that their faith was mentioned is no biggie…we should be used to this by now.
However, why mention that it took place in Ramadan? What’s the Islamic calendar have to do with the secular court…mentioning such details only heats up the Muslim elders/Imams etc of the community and it’s the PARENTS who have to face the backlash.
Another thing, why highlight the “secret girlfriend” why did the Defence counsel have to ask and highlight whether or not the guy has a secret girlfriend? This is totally irrelevant to the murder…and once again it’s the PARENTS of the girl that have to suffer the backlash.
Also, why tell the whole world that the girlfriend testified against her boyfriend…this only aggravates the Muslim community….friends/family will of the murderer will be seeking revenge….and once again it’s the PARENTS/FAMILY who suffer.
These guys are from my town, they’re known as thugs. I believe they got what they deserved, however too many innocent people are suffering because of their actions and because of the way the story highlighted.
Wasalaam
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i dont know muslim sis but dont they report things like this normaly? or is it just for this case because if they only did it for this case then thats wrong totally but if they always do it then are you saying they should have reported more sensitively to take account of the backlash in the muslim community?
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I personally have not read a story where the beliefs/rituals of ones religion have been highlighted. Maybe they do report like that..I don't know.
However, intentionally/unintentionally this story has s*** stirred a lot.
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[quote="seema*"]i dont know muslim sis but dont they report things like this normaly? or is it just for this case because if they only did it for this case then thats wrong totally but if they always do it then are you saying they should have reported more sensitively to take account of the backlash in the muslim community?[/quote]
'normally' three asian/muslim lads wouldnt kill a man and then the fourth nick his mobile fone.... :?
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[quote="MuslimSister"]However, intentionally/unintentionally this story has s*** stirred a lot.[/quote]
wow, is tht MuslimSis swearing?? thts gotta b a first! 😉
i wanna reply to ur post, wil do so 2moro iA, wassalaam.
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the fat guy in the murder Zulfi is one of the biggest G's in town
he's married to a beautiful decent girl frm back home
it makes my heart feel heavy when I hear of decent girls married to such scums
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According to today's Metro, after killing the white guy, they went and beat up an Indian guy and a black guy. So, the judge said that this wasn't a racially motivated attack, it was random.
If they had just killed the white man then they would have gotten a heavier sentence.
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[quote="MuslimSisLilSis"]the fat guy in the murder Zulfi is one of the biggest G's in town
he's married to a beautiful decent girl frm back home
it makes my heart feel heavy when I hear of decent girls married to such scums[/quote]
Du[size=12]m[/size]b people. It just ticks me off when everyone is so happy and extravaggent on weddings but then after the wedding they couldn't care less if the marriage is going well or not.
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[quote="Enver"]According to today's Metro, after killing the white guy, they went and beat up an Indian guy and a black guy. So, the judge sid that this wasn't a racially motivated attack, it was random.
If they had just killed the white man then they would have gotten a heavier sentence.[/quote]
yeh
first they beat a asian guy in the restaurant then killed the white man then messed around with some black guys
thats why they didnt get put down for racism EVEN tho the fat guy was heard saying "we killed a white man" and "thats what he gets for messing with Pakis"
anyway-speaking of more backlash in the community
bunch of white thugs in barking east London Uni (where the murder happened) have been attacking asian youth as retaliation
them white thugs are part of the BNP apparently
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I read in the local paper today that "Zulfi AKA as 'fatty' was sentenced.."
why are the papers getting so personal these days?
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i read sum articles on the internet and they kept referring to him as 'the fat pakistani'
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[quote="flower"]i read sum articles on the internet and they kept referring to him as 'the fat pakistani'[/quote]
he is fat
but cussing his appearance is unneccesary
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maybe fatty was his nickname.
But is this all not irrelevant to the actual topic?
I do not think this story will hurt 'Muslims'. It may hurt 'Pakistani's' as it shows how alot of us do not follow our religion, and can do alot of evil.
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[quote="Admin"]maybe fatty was his nickname.
But is this all not irrelevant to the actual topic?
I do not think this story will hurt 'Muslims'. It may hurt 'Pakistani's' as it shows how alot of us do not follow our religion, and can do alot of evil.[/quote]
every Fat person is malicioulsy nicknamed "fatty"
but thats the point!
why aint the newspapers sticking to the RELEVENT facts
the boys got life
they deserved it
but I still am angry with the way the story has been handled-
it has caused war in the community-
they should have just stuck to the RELEVENT facts