Racism within the muslim ummah!!
Salaam,
I just wanted 2 post sumthin thats recently been on my mind and that iv been seeing alot lately. When i bring up the topic of racism you probably think oh yeah im talking about how everyone is hating on muslims and how muslims are always the victims of attack in the media and in society. This is true however, i feel that no intelligent person believes someone of a certain skin colour is less capable or less intelligent than another person of a different skin colour or race. Now to me, this seems obvious, and living in the UK, among most non-muslims it also seems the case, but not so between muslims. Therefore before always acting like we are the victims of racism and hate i think we should look at ourselves and our ummah and wipe out the racism that lies within our ummah. Racism is alive within the muslim ummah i feel because of culture taking priority over islam and religion. Nowadays, culture/race/nationality/social status come before imaan, islam and deen when a man and woman get married. An arab must marry an arab, a pakistani must marry a pakistani..and they must be from this family or that family..and so on..
Now to me this seems like a disease killing the unity of the ummah. Surely the ummah is one? And surely the most imporant attribute and the most important charactersitcs to look for in a person when getting married is their imaan and then everything else will fall into place (As a person that has imaan will fulfil all the criteria needed in a loving/islamic marriage, because implementing the guidlines of islam is the perfect way of life). But this is not the case, as i recently herd a story of a revert to islam asking the father of a girl for her hand in marriage. The father who is considered a religious man within the community said "i will not let you marry my daughter because your white!". Now the 1st thing that comes 2 my mind is..wasnt the prophet (saws) white?? what is going on.. :? If that isnt racism and hate within the ummah what is? the prophet (saws) stressed the only difference between people is their imaan, but other than that everyone is equal! And that is another reason why the prophet (saws) married many wives of various nationality/races that were young, old, widows etc to stress the equality in the ummah.
As a person that is mixed race, when i get married (Inshallah) will i have to go out and find someone that is exactly the same mix of races as me? same culture and nationalities as me..the chances of that are very slim.. so do i not get married because i cant find anyone that is the same mix of races? this issue is one that shouldnt really be brought up as the ummah should be united and should be fighting racism instead of implementing it ourselves.
Allah knows that i have very little knowledge and i pray that i havnt caused any offense or said anything that is incorrect i just really wanted some of your views on this issue..please reply to this message with you thoughts if u can, thanks.
W/Salaam, A.R
Racism within the muslim ummah!!
Racism within the muslim ummah!!
[quote="yashmaki"]no there you go again assuming the worst of me. I merely asked a question based on a programme i had seen in the past. I never said it was true, that's why I asked you. I never asked to cause contraversy. So how you can assume I have hatred for Jewish ppl based on this question I really don't know. I won't ask any questions of you any more, you always respond in a defensive aggressive manner.[/quote]
No, there you go thinking the worst of me and misunderstanding or not reading exactly what I wrote, which I believe is clear. If your source is a programme then you can apply what I said about your source to the makers of that programme. I said nothing critical of you, and I acknowledge it was something you were good enough to ask me about. Peace.
Racism within the muslim ummah!!
[quote="Ramz"][quote="MuslimSister"][quote="salaf"]One thing I'd say about the salafis is that they seem to be more immune to this problem than regular muslims. That's one positive attribute they have.[/quote]
I'd generalise and say that this is a problem that exists mainly amongst the parents/grandparents of our time...for most youth, be they Sunni/Salafi/Shia or whatever, its a non issue.[/quote]
Thats Bull****. You're a youth from this time yet [b]you[/b] and your parents have racist thoughts regarding marrying out of your culture.[/quote]
Ramz you state several things:
1./ Thats Bull.
2./ You're [MS] a youth of this time
3./ You [MS] have racist thoughts regarding marrying outside of your [MS's] culture.
4./ Your [MS's] parents have racist thoughts regarding marrying outside of your [MS's] culture.
You base these statements upon, statements made by MS, where she states:
1./
a./ This is a general issue (not specific to certain races).
b./ This is a problem.
c./ It exists mainly amongst the Muslim parents and grandparents alive today.
all three substatements of point 1./ are interlinked, they can only be separately considered to an extent, with exception of sub statement b./ which a 'global' statement for the rest of the post as well as a sub statement for point 1./ .
2./ This problem [racism when considering marriage] is not aparant with the Muslim youth, i.e. they are not its proponents; be they of any school of thought or creed.
So in your response, Ramz you say firstly that MS's response is Bull. Now call me Draconian but something about that doesn't go right with the forum rules of engagement, in my opinion. It's up to the VARIOUS ADMIN to DO SOMETHING about that bit.
However your comment maybe taken to mean you disagree with MS's post. Fair enough, no fatwa's need to be passed, its an opinion.
Then you state that you [MS] are a youth of this time. Again fair play, whilst in reality she may be a 65 year old with a penchant for youth infiltration, there is consensus amongst the forumites that that particular statement is valid because a.) We also think that. b.) in the event that it is false, no misdemeanors or offense has been implied or caused.
So far, One instance of profantity but 2 valid points (I think).
Your [Ramz] third point goes a bit out of the window:
:arrow: its offensive, I think most forumites would agree that its offensive.
:arrow: Its controversial, so perhaps you could have phrased it better.
:arrow: No basis of Truth can be found in it from MS's post [b]especially as by your own words you say MS is a youth and by her post she says the Youth are not inclined towards this racism![/b]
:arrow: I think nthere is consensus amongst the forumites that no basis of Truth can be found in you're third point Ramz. Sorry.
Your 4th point is a little warysome (sp?):
:arrow: On the apparant front, you insult her family with no obvious basis.
:arrow: You also accuse her [MS's] parents of racism and provide little (this will be explained in the third arrow line, Insha Allah T'ala) evidance.
okay, now here's the flip side:
:arrow: You copuld be playing a joke as by MS's by own admission parents, [i]generally[/i], have these racist inclinations, so it could be extrapolated that she [MS] may not be excluding her own parents from this opinion.
However that particular arrow line has little to strengthen it, because of your [Ramz] use of the word 'and' as in 'you [u]and[/u] your parents' by which one assumes you group together her [MS] and her parents in that which you say they do, and thus it is assumed that there is a similtude in the behaviour of both of them. AS You [Ramz], yourself state that MS is 'a Youth of' her [MS] time, then you [Ramz] do not include her in MS's opinion of the genral behavior of Muslim Parnts and Grandparents today.
Despite all that, your first comment on the quality/validity of MS's post maybe sufficient in providing the required argument to your case, by which one would assume you have no belief in the validity of what MS posted prior to you and so despite your quotatioj of that particular post, iyour argumens involving it after the 'Bull' comment shall have no basis nor relation to the post [MS's] in quotation.
To all viewers: sorry about the lack of grammar and spelling ,mistakes.
To Ramz: If you disagree with what I have said, please post something that will make me realise I have been very much mistaken and accept my humble apologies.
😃 Peace out, I want some milk.
Racism within the muslim ummah!!
oops.. sorry for the misunderstanding 100, i got the wrong end of the stick. Accept my apologies please!
Brother Dawud I couldn't have said it better than you.
Racism within the muslim ummah!!
Peace peace peace.
no there you go again assuming the worst of me. I merely asked a question based on a programme i had seen in the past. I never said it was true, that's why I asked you. I never asked to cause contraversy. So how you can assume I have hatred for Jewish ppl based on this question I really don't know. I won't ask any questions of you any more, you always respond in a defensive aggressive manner.