It is not allowed in Islam.

Unfortunately there are very bad people out there in the world.

If this story is the one I think you are mentioning, I do need to clarify that the girl was not Muslim, nor were the murderers. They were Yezidites. Pagans who have been influenced by some aspects of Islam - mostly due to being pesent in the same area. (I had not heard of them 'til "The great 100" had brought it up a month or 2 ago...)

Not denying that it happens with Muslims as well, because it does happen and it is shocking. I first came across it on these forums and did not believe such things happened at first. But then whatever is the worst you imagine, there is probably someone who has done it.

I think there is a saying that near the end of times, even the devil will shy away from what people do.

The people who did this should be tried in a court of law. Given a right they denied their victim. and then made to pay for their crimes. Unfortunately that is unlikely to happen (looking at the state of Iraq at the moment, there does not seem to be too much civility left in the civilisation.).

It's just another tragedy.

I finished reading a book about 'honour' last night.

90% of the books on my sisters bookshelf are around the issue of 'honour'..

Its a depressing topic. I think it can even emotionally scare you...even if you have no experience of it.

Honour killings is a cultural thing. Its found in nearly every religion...but I don't believe that any religion condones it. Although, some twisted people do use their religion to try and justify it.

"Snowbunny" wrote:

gracias

i thought maybe this was so... i am sorry for confusing muslims with polytheists

que Dios te bendiga

If it had not been for "100", who brought it up in another discussion, I myself would not have known.

my bookshelf is full of books on this topic

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fatwa-Living-Threat-Jacky-Trevane/dp/0340862424

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Shame-Jasvinder-Sanghera/dp/0340924608/ref=pd_bo...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Married-Force-Leila/dp/0749951362/ref=pd_bowtega...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_b/203-3689263-9755907?url=search-ali...

and all the princess series regarding female oppression in saudi

"Snowbunny" wrote:

hola

this is not meant to offend... but i am confused very much. CNN carries the story of the honor killing of a poor girl in iraq because she fell in love with a boy. there are places in the quran i remember reading which i interpreted in ways that lead me to believe this would not be allowed...

Four arrested in Iraq 'honor killing'

Quote:

BAGHDAD, IRAQ (CNN) -- Authorities in northern Iraq have arrested four people in connection with the "honor killing" last month of a Kurdish teen -- a startling, morbid pummeling caught on a mobile phone video camera and broadcast around the world.

The case portrays the tragedy and brutality of honor killings in the Muslim world. Honor killings take place when family members kill relatives, almost always female, because they feel the relatives' actions have shamed the family.

In this case, Dua Khalil, a 17-year-old Kurdish girl whose religion is Yazidi, was dragged into a crowd in a headlock with police looking on and kicked, beaten and stoned to death last month. (Watch the attack, and what authorities are doing about it Video)

Authorities believe she was killed for being seen with a Sunni Muslim man. She had not married him or converted, but her attackers believed she had, a top official in Nineveh province said. The Yazidis, who observe an ancient Middle Eastern religion, look down on mixing with people of another faith.

Each year, dozens of honor killings are reported in Iraq and thousands are reported worldwide, said the United Nations. The practice has been condemned around the world by governments and human rights groups. A yearly vigil protesting honor killings is held in London, England.

Two of the four arrested are members of the victim's family, police in Nineveh province said Thursday. Four others, including a cousin thought to have instigated the killing, are being sought.

The killing is said to have spurred the killings of about two dozen Yazidi men by Sunni Muslims in the Mosul area two weeks later. Attackers affiliated with al Qaeda pulled 24 Yazidi men out of a bus and slaughtered them, a provincial official said.

The violence ratcheted up tensions between Yazids and Muslims in Bashiqa, the victim's hometown, a largely Yazidi city in Nineveh province.

Provincial officials don't think much could have been done to stop the honor killing, but at least three officers are being investigated and could be fired.

"The climate, the religious and social climate is such that people can do that in daylight and that authorities do not intervene," said the spokeswoman for the Organization of Womens' Freedom in Iraq, Houzan Mahmoud.

Also, the top police official in Bashiqa is being replaced.

Nice effort on CCN behalf :roll:

The news keeps reinforcing the idea that is a muslim honor killing, when in fact it was a yazidi honor killing ON a muslim girl. Yazidis are not muslims nor a sect of muslims. Though I am very surprised at the retaliation by the kurdish sunnis for this murder, I would love to know their motivation. Are they angry they killed a muslim convert or are they angry one of their kurdish boys is now heart broken.

"Snowbunny" wrote:

gracias
may God guide you non Catholics
Dominus vobiscum to any Catholics...

[size=18][b]إنّ الدّين عند الله الإسلام[/b][/size]

"(*_Deoband" wrote:

"Snowbunny" wrote:

gracias
may God guide you non Catholics
Dominus vobiscum to any Catholics...

[size=18][b]إنّ الدّين عند الله الإسلام[/b][/size]

Yeah... it helps when you provide translations as not every on here can read arabic :roll:

"Seraphim" wrote:

"(*_Deoband" wrote:

"Snowbunny" wrote:

gracias
may God guide you non Catholics
Dominus vobiscum to any Catholics...

[size=18][b]إنّ الدّين عند الله الإسلام[/b][/size]

Yeah... it helps when you provide translations as not every on here can read arabic :roll:

(Surah al Imran)

Be helpful and look into your Quran and find out what it means

That is your assignment for today

I meant for other people on the board who are not muslims and obviously dont have a Quran... :roll:

"Seraphim" wrote:

I meant for other people on the board who are not muslims and obviously dont have a Quran... :roll:

I know what you meant and that is why I said to you, (You being a Muslim) well at least that’s what I’ve been lead to believe, blow the dust from your Quran and read Surah al Imran, and you will find what it means. Then you can fill the void

Besides you didn’t ask nicely enough for me to translate it, now hasten with your assignment

.........

"Seraphim" wrote:

"(*_Deoband" wrote:

"Snowbunny" wrote:

gracias
may God guide you non Catholics
Dominus vobiscum to any Catholics...

[size=18][b]إنّ الدّين عند الله الإسلام[/b][/size]

Yeah... it helps when you provide translations as not every on here can read arabic :roll:

Inna Deen Inda Allah Al Islaam ........

"Seraphim" wrote:

I meant for other people on the board who are not muslims and obviously dont have a Quran... moron. :roll:

Speaking of children, my notes from what my Ustadah taught me

[b]دين[/b]

= Deen

[b]ال[/b]

Al = The prefix `Al' to indicate `The

[b]إنّ[/b]

Inna = Verily; Truly

[size=18][b]عند[/b][/size]

[b]Inda = (with)[/b]

[b]Verily the true religion (Ad Deen) [accepted by] Allah is only Islaam[/b]

I don’t need to be guided to Catholicism..........................

Not to be nit picky, but is the translation not:

"Indeed the "deen" closest to Allah (swt) is Islam."

Where "Deen" is more than just "religion" as it is generally translated to.

Saying that, May allah guide us all to the true path and keep us steadfast on it. Islam.

(so, not a disagreement, just erm... addition? I think my erm... linguitic skills have gone all shot.)

Quote:

BBC, Monday, 11 June 2007

[b]Killed for loving the wrong man [/b]

Banaz Mahmod was killed after falling in love with a man her family did not want her to marry.

Her father Mahmod Mahmod, 52, and uncle Ari Mahmod, 50, from Mitcham, London, were convicted of murder on Monday.

Banaz Mahmod was 20 years old, and very much in love, when she was strangled with a bootlace and her body stuffed into a suitcase.

According to the prosecution, Banaz had to pay the "ultimate price" for bringing shame on her Kurdish family.

The court heard that Banaz was murdered at her home in Mitcham in Surrey in January last year.

Four months later, the suitcase containing her body was found buried more than 100 miles (160 km) away, deep beneath the foundations of a house in a Birmingham suburb.

Having left an arranged and unhappy marriage, Banaz had started a relationship with Rhamat Sulemani.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6722699.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6733653.stm

These Kurds are horrible murderers. How could they kill their own daughter.

"malik" wrote:

These Kurds are horrible murderers. How could they kill their own daughter.

i was reading that in the paper today its absolutely disgusting. The cops didnt even take her seriously when she said her life was in danger (no surprises there).

Can't really blame "The kurds" for that.

Just those that did it.

"Snowbunny" wrote:

hola

people should not be cursed at for actions they do out of ignorance...

que Dios te bendiga

ignorance is not an excuse

Quote:

quran says that women may not be punished without four witnesses who actually saw adultery being committed (4:15)

this is interesting , is everyone aware of the rape laws in pakistan?

well pakistani law states that if a women is raped, she needs four witnesses to come forward and say she was raped and if she cant supply these four witnessed that have witnessed the rape she will get arrested for adultery :?

:evil:

"NAS786" wrote:

well pakistani law states that if a women is raped, she needs four witnesses to come forward and say she was raped and if she cant supply these four witnessed that have witnessed the rape she will get arrested for adultery :?

:evil:

I didnt actually know that. Something new i learnt today. That law is so stupid anybody reading that can automatically pick up on the loophole within the law. How can a rape victim be arrested for adultery when you need four eye witnesses. Most women who get raped in pak probs dont even go to the cops because it will bring shame on the family (this whole cultural thing, really narks me off).

"Naz" wrote:

"NAS786" wrote:

well pakistani law states that if a women is raped, she needs four witnesses to come forward and say she was raped and if she cant supply these four witnessed that have witnessed the rape she will get arrested for adultery :?

:evil:

I didnt actually know that. Something new i learnt today. That law is so stupid anybody reading that can automatically pick up on the loophole within the law. How can a rape victim be arrested for adultery when you need four eye witnesses. Most women who get raped in pak probs dont even go to the cops because it will bring shame on the family (this whole cultural thing, really narks me off).

That rule comes from Shariah law, but its misunderstood. On the face of it, it sounds akward, but it doesnt mean exactly what it seems. I was explained this once, but i forgot :oops:

Actually it is totally misinterpreted.

In Islam there is a punishment for rape and also for adultery.

Now for some reason this has been applied in places as when someone claims rape but cannot prove it, they are tried for adultery.

Quote:

The Times
August 3, 2007

[b]Shia cleric bans ‘honour’ killings[/b]

BEIRUT. Lebanon’s most senior Shia Muslim cleric has issued a fatwa banning “honour” killings, calling the custom of murdering a female relative for sexual misconduct “a repulsive act”.

The fatwa by Grand Ayatollah Muhammad Hussein Fadlallah is a rare condemnation of the practice by a prominent cleric. Grand Ayatollah Fadlallah is the religious authority for Lebanon’s 1.2 million Shias. Honour crimes are rarely reported in Lebanon, but the ayatollah’s spokesman Hani Abdullah said that his office had received reports of an increase in “honour” killings, though he could not give specific figures.

Although the practice is illegal in Arab countries, perpetrators often go unpunished or receive light sentences. The overwhelmingly Sunni populations of Jordan – where it is estimated that some 20 women are killed every year by their male relatives – and the Palestinian territories are unlikely to heed the ayatollah’s fatwa. However, the cleric does have followers among Shias in Iraq, where he lived for 30 years in the holy city of Najaf. (AP)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article2189487.ece

Very good.

I don't think honour killings were ever as big an issue in Iran as other parts of the world. its more common in indo-pak sub. or parts of arab world.