Is the ummah lacking Adab?

[quote="geniesis"]

listen shabaz as i said sm harsh things were said yesterday that clearly upseted a lot of people

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My name isn’t Shabaz, have the decency to know my name when addressing me, unless it was a genuine mistake

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said:

"The one who rebuts another from backbiting has protected himself from the fire."

And Admin, Kamilah is a dear friend of mines, likewise Med, Allah ordered Muslims to defend, help and stand by each other, ... Defending (Rebutting) backbiting is a characteristic of a believer.

[color=magenta]please ppl give it rest ok its natural for you to defend yourselves or your friends but please guys lets just refrain from personal slander n when u disagree with someone please comment on the argument n not the person[/color]

[color=magenta]check out the following link:

[url=http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=595]Islamic Manners: Discussions and Debates[/url]

it is quite handy when thngs get heated[/color]

[quote="Exquisite"][color=magenta]please ppl give it rest ok its natural for you to defend yourselves or your friends but please guys lets just refrain from personal slander n when u disagree with someone please comment on the argument n not the person[/color][/quote]

Which people are these?

It works better with examples......

[color=magenta]im not gna give examples cuz i dont wnt to strt another fight [/color]

[quote="Exquisite"][color=magenta]im not gna give examples cuz i dont wnt to strt another fight [/color][/quote]

Neither do I, but who are these delinquent’s?

Should address them personally if you seek to end fights.

[color=magenta]look im not gna name names cuz it isnt necessary but like u said you would defend kamilah n med cuz u knw them well right?but all i am saying look at the argument n not the person as i said before i might not agree wiv med all the time but he has valid points n if i disagree with him i wont cuss him but will try n try n get to the actual point he mentioned, n the same goes for any1 else[/color]

[quote="Exquisite"][color=magenta]look im not gna name names cuz it isnt necessary but like u said you would defend kamilah n med cuz u knw them well right?but all i am saying look at the argument n not the person as i said before i might not agree wiv med all the time but he has valid points n if i disagree with him i wont cuss him but will try n try n get to the actual point he mentioned, n the same goes for any1 else[/color][/quote]

If my brothers or sisters wronged then I would be even handed and speak out against them. And by naming those who do wrong isn’t going to start trouble nor any fights, Insh’Allah they will listen to friendly advice- I don’t fear in speaking out and neither should you.

They should at least acknowledge they have wronged before we seek to correct them.....

Jazak'Allah for posting the article.

[color=magenta]i dont fear speaking out i just thnk its not necessary to mention any names at this specific moment yesterday was heated i was on thankfully but whatever happened happened n ppl said stuff at the heat of the argument but every1 just needs just re-assess ourselves [/color]

[quote="(*_Shazan"][quote="geniesis"]

listen shabaz as i said sm harsh things were said yesterday that clearly upseted a lot of people

.[/quote]

My name isn’t Shabaz, have the decency to know my name when addressing me, unless it was a genuine mistake

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said:

"The one who rebuts another from backbiting has protected himself from the fire."

And Admin, Kamilah is a dear friend of mines, likewise Med, Allah ordered Muslims to defend, help and stand by each other, ... Defending (Rebutting) backbiting is a characteristic of a believer.[/quote]

yes soorry shazan as u can probaly tell i havnt been correct in my spelling . cn i just say this is not all backbiting we were are openly saying to each other wat our opinions are on certain comments.i know and just about every one else on hre knows that anyone can view theses comments so its not like we backbiting.

[quote="Exquisite"][color=magenta]i dont fear speaking out i just thnk its not necessary to mention any names at this specific moment yesterday was heated i was on thankfully but whatever happened happened n ppl said stuff at the heat of the argument but every1 just needs just re-assess ourselves [/color][/quote]

Very well then sister......

And Geniesis.....ridiculing someone is no way to express an opinion

Assalam Alaikum,

okay forum members, you have called me all kinds of things but I wont take it personally, I have made sabr in my heart, InshaAllah....it is not right for you to personally insult me.

I have nothing personal against TuQ, nor do i have anything personal against you

as the saying goes

[b]do not hate the Sinner but hate the Sin . [/b]

when I see something which is clearly wrong then Im sorry, but my Imaan demands that I enjoin good and forbid Evil.

"I urge you to follow my Sunnah and the way of the rightly-guided khalîfahs after me; adhere to it and cling to it firmly. Beware of newly-invented things, for every newly-invented thing is an innovation (bid'ah) and every innovation is a going-astray."
(Narrated by Ahmad, 4/126; at-Tirmidhî no. 2676).

"Whoever innovates anything in this matter of ours (i.e., Islâm), that is not part of it will have it rejected.'
(Narrated by al-Bukhârî, 3/167, no. 2697; al-Fath, 5/355).

If your love is sincere for our Beloved Prophet(peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) then you should take up the methods prescribed by our predecessors

Loving the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) implies keeping his Sunnah alive, adhering firmly to it, and avoiding words and deeds that go against it. Undoubtedly everything that goes against his Sunnah is a reprehensible innovation (bid'ah) and a manifest act of disobedience. That includes celebrating his birthday and other kinds of bid'ah. A good intention does not mean that it is permissible to introduce innovations into the religion.
[b]
"If your love is sincere then obey him; for the lover obeys the one whom he loves."[/b]

Wassalam.

[color=magenta]im not saying i wouldnt speak out when someone did somethng wrong but i just felt as i lacked knowledge on wht the argument was about i didnt want to get myself involved cuz it will be stupid of me cuz i dont even no fully wht was going on but i did step in when ppl strted slandering cuz at the end of the day we are all brothers n sisters in this blessed deen we shudnt be fighting n name calling like that. and also i am aware of the following hadiths:
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From Abu'l-Darda' (RA): The Messenger of Allah (SAAS) said: "Whoever defends the honour of his brother, this will be a protection for him from the Fire." [Al-Khara'iti, Makarim al-Akhlaq; Ibn 'Asakir. There is nothing wrong with its Isnad as there is corroborating evidence. See Ghayah al-Maram (below Hadith No. 431).]

From Asma' bint Yazid (RA), who said: The Prophet (SAAS) said: "Whoever defends his brother's honour in his absence, will be entitled to Allah's protection from the Fire." [Ahmad et al. It is Sahih because of corroborating and similar reports. See Ghayah al-Maram (431).]

The Prophet (SAAS) said: "Whoever defends his brother's honour, Allah will protect his face from the Fire of the Day of Resurrection."[Narrated and classed as Hasan by al-Tirmidhi. Classed as Hasan by al-Albani, Ghayah al-Maram (below Hadith 431).]

From Mu'adh ibn Anas al-Juhani: The Prophet (SAAS) said: "Whoever protects a Muslim from a hypocrite, (probably he said:) Allah will send an angel to protect his flesh from the Fire of Hell; and whoever accuses a Muslim of something, seeking to disgrace him, Allah will detain him on the bridge of Hell until he has been fully punished for what he said." [Abu Dawud: Sahih Sunan Ab iDawud (4086); Ibn Abi Dunya. See also al-Albani, Sahih al-Targhib wa'l-Tarhib.] [/b][/color]

[quote="(*_Shazan"][quote="Exquisite"][color=magenta]i dont fear speaking out i just thnk its not necessary to mention any names at this specific moment yesterday was heated i was on thankfully but whatever happened happened n ppl said stuff at the heat of the argument but every1 just needs just re-assess ourselves [/color][/quote]

Very well then sister......

And Geniesis.....ridiculing someone is no way to express an opinion[/quote]

ironicly said if i not mistaken ur dear friend started the whole ridicule affair

[quote="geniesis"] way to express an opinion[/quote]

ironicly said if i not mistaken ur dear friend started the whole ridicule affair[/quote]

And I agree with them. 😂

[color=magenta]look this is gna drag on for ages just leave it out please guys[/color]

[quote="Exquisite"][color=magenta]look this is gna drag on for ages just leave it out please guys[/color][/quote]

Reminds me of a notorious barelwiyyah Mosque on lee bridge road, never ending saga with these idiots.

[color=magenta]huh i dont get u, r u calling me an idiot?[/color]

[quote="Exquisite"][color=magenta]huh i dont get u, r u calling me an idiot?[/color][/quote]

Never, but the idiots who bring the Masjid into disrepute while the police are investigation the theft of 40000 pounds by one of its committee members, and because the cracks are showing on how rotten they are, they then go and spread falsehood smearing a Tablighi mosque down the road.

[color=magenta]sorry my msitake didnt mean to jump to conclusions[/color]

[quote="Exquisite"][color=magenta]sorry my msitake didnt mean to jump to conclusions[/color][/quote]

It's my mistake.Easy to draw parallels

[quote="(*_Shazan"][quote="geniesis"] way to express an opinion[/quote]

ironicly said if i not mistaken ur dear friend started the whole ridicule affair[/quote]

And I agree with them. :lol:[/quote]

Brother shazan I think u need to take a breather.
U and ur comments have cause too many eruptions on here I suggest if u wat to invoke an argument and cause conflict I suggest u go onto another forum by all means ur more then welcome to participate in adult like conversation. u know very well wat u are saying is leading to another performance of yesterday liking.

[quote="geniesis"]Brother shazan I think u need to take a breather.
U and ur comments have cause too many eruptions on here I suggest if u wat to invoke an argument and cause conflict I suggest u go onto another forum by all means ur more then welcome to participate in adult like conversation. u know very well wat u are saying is leading to another performance of yesterday liking.[/quote]

Thanks for the advice, if I'm that much of a nuisance to you, then just contact the Admin and have me banned otherwise I’m not that easily silenced. No offense Yesterday is like any other day on this board – it what gives it it’s life line. lol

I'll keep it Zip now, before i get trodden upon. 😉

[quote="geniesis"][quote="(*_Shazan"][quote="geniesis"] way to express an opinion[/quote]

ironicly said if i not mistaken ur dear friend started the whole ridicule affair[/quote]

And I agree with them. :lol:[/quote]

Brother shazan I think u need to take a breather.
U and ur comments have cause too many eruptions on here I suggest if u wat to invoke an argument and cause conflict I suggest u go onto another forum by all means ur more then welcome to participate in adult like conversation. u know very well wat u are saying is leading to another performance of yesterday liking.[/quote]

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geneisis let him say wat he wats to say just ignore him.

he not na leave it untill u or
one of teh others get booted off here
for saying smthing out of line [/color] safe

[quote="(*_Shazan"][quote="Exquisite"][color=magenta]sorry my msitake didnt mean to jump to conclusions[/color][/quote]

It's my mistake.Easy to draw parallels[/quote]

[color=magenta]dont worry its all water under the bridge apologies acha?in the current climax it was expected

check out another article, very handy:[/color]

[url=http://islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=623]Etiquettes Of Differing In What Is Permissible[/url]

before some of you jump the bandwagon and you set your fingers in motion you should have the common courtesy to have both read and understood what I wrote.

please read my post 🙂

[quote="Kadijah"]

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geneisis let him say wat he wats to say just ignore him.

he not na leave it untill u or
one of teh others get booted off here
for saying smthing out of line [/color] safe[/quote]

You're framing me. I don’t like it......

[quote="(*_Shazan"][quote="geniesis"][quote="(*_Shazan"][quote="geniesis"] way to express an opinion[/quote]

ironicly said if i not mistaken ur dear friend started the whole ridicule affair[/quote]

And I agree with them. :lol:[/quote]

Brother shazan I think u need to take a breather.
U and ur comments have cause too many eruptions on here I suggest if u wat to invoke an argument and cause conflict I suggest u go onto another forum by all means ur more then welcome to participate in adult like conversation. u know very well wat u are saying is leading to another performance of yesterday liking.[/quote]

Thanks for the advice, if I'm that much of a nuisance to you, then just contact the Admin and have me banned otherwise I’m not that easily silenced. No offense Yesterday is like any other day on this board – it what gives it it’s life line. lol

I'll keep it Zip now, before i get trodden upon. :wink:[/quote]

oh dont wrry i was considering sending admin a messgae but then thought it to early to judge u as i dont knwo u well at all.

yeh i cant believe i am saying this but maybe thier alikable side to u.

well i fairly new
put it this way i learnt a lot a fireworks can exploade on here

[color=magenta]Geniesis he is a great brother but we are all individuals we are bound to disagree innit?[/color]

[quote="Exquisite"][color=magenta]Geniesis he is a great brother but we are all individuals we are bound to disagree innit?[/color][/quote]

yess just some more then others. 😉