I'll defo cop it then, ive had a few personal dreams and would like to know a lil about em...even tho i dream on a blue moon!

im a lil double minded tho, i see it like future telling.......i prefer living my life without seeing whats ahead. if i interpret something, it spoils the fun of not knowing your destiny

Thanks MS

guyz i heard that if u perform wudhu and go to sleep an u wake up in the night and u make a dua it apparently cumz tru ...any one heard this or is it made up?

Does any1 here read english trans of bukhair to study ahadeeth?
Any1 here read english translation of Quran and understand what is being said and in what context?
Any1 here read Allamah Ibn Seereen's book and IGNORE what the author himself is saying about dream interpretation and go along with your own opinion?

I see a trend here. People read the advice of the author about his book and his art; but just purely out of arrogance ignore it and set themselvs up as dream interpreters. A book is written doesnt mean its for every layperson. Once a person studies the book properly and fits the prioir conditions then he can study the book and interpret the dreams, other than that just reading an english trans. and thinking you can interpret your own dreams is foolish and arrogant.

Subhanallah the AUTHOR himself tells you what you need to be before you interpret the dreams; the preson reads the AUTHORS words and ignores them. Why do you rely on the authors interpretation about what falling teeth and green clothes and black scarvess etc mean but you dont rely on the authors advice as well about interpreting?

Can any1 explain y u think Allamah's interpretations of teeth and clothes et al is good enough to follow, but u dont think his conditions for interpreting are for u?

(If the conditions are not present in the english translation then I apologise but in the original ALLAMAH has given full explanation of criterio to be dream interpreter.)

Salaam

We all read the Qur'an with meanings.

We all read english translations of Hadiths.

And many of us have read translated Arabic works by great Scholars.

I don't see anything wrong with that as long as one is aware of their own limitations and dont start preaching to others based on limited knowldge.

Wasalaam

thats all very well but when the AUTHOR HIMSELF tells you what you require to interpret dreams then how can you justify ignoring that portion of his book and following the rest?

I dont understand this point. Please be so kind as to explain to me how u can ignore the authors conditions but can accept his interpretations for other things? If you think you can explain or partly explain the dream on your own without fulfilling the authors conditions, then how can you think that the interpretations listed in the authors book are true?

If you think his conditions for dream interpretation do not have to be fully met, then that means you reject that stance of the authors, if you reject having to fulfil the authors conditions then why do u still believe that the authors interpretations are valid?

I cant get my head round that, perhaps you will be so kind as to explain why u go against the authors own advice in his own book?

See people accuse me of arrogance and narrow mindedness. But isnt it arrogant to think that you know better than the author about his own work? By us we do not touch any book in regards to meanings and understandings until we have mastered the prerequisites. I have not interpreted any dreams nor have I looked into the book without permission from a Teacher because I dont fulfill the conditions.

I really cannot understand your stance. I think someone mentioned previously that argument here need to be backed up, what is your backing up for ignoring the authors conditions and just going into the interpretation.? I eagerly await some clarification.

author himself ADVISES people that dream interepretation should not be done by ordinary people

he DOES NOT say that u SHOULDNT read his book :roll: :roll: :roll:

why did he write a book if he didnt want people to read it

i aint no dream interpreter-but that book has shed meaning on many of my dreams

if i aint a dream interpreter and dont fulfill the conditions-then how come my dreams came true? :roll:

"Medievalist" wrote:

what is your backing up for ignoring the authors conditions and just going into the interpretation.? I eagerly await some clarification.

The author never said "Don't read my book".

I am not ignoring his conditions, I am fully aware of them whenever I look a dream up.

just because a book is written doesnt mean every1 is allowed to read it.

in madaris (including those of YOUR sect) te students have to master arabic before the allowed to touch the books of ahadeeth.

No1 said the books is not meant to be read by every1. My point is the book is meant to be read by those who fulfill the criterion. Its like your frends the salafis, they pick up an english trans of bukhari and make their own opinions. You reject them for that. So why do you do the same and just pick up a book ignoring the authors criterion.

As for it being only advice. i find that a shocking statement. Ignoring the advice of the author will immediately take away blessings in the understanding.

Well i have given my advice, but i suppose you who blatantly think you know better than Allamah Seereen arent going to pay any attention to an aajiz like me. So to you your actions, I am free from them.

At the end of each of his dream interpretation he writes "allah knows best" cuz he knows he can be wrong but from his understanding he has given the meanings that apply to a dream and i think that dream book can be used by anyone :?

"angel" wrote:

At the end of each of his dream interpretation he writes "allah knows best" cuz he knows he can be wrong but from his understanding he has given the meanings that apply to a dream and i think that dream book can be used by anyone :?

I agree wiv u-good point

some people get excited too quickly :roll:

no ones reading that book and passing Fatwa's

if a person didnt want others to read his/her book they wouldnt write it-

thats common sense-that some seem to lack

a tooth of mine fell out in my dream a little while ago

according to Ibn seerin that tooth represents a death in my mums side of the family

my grans sister passed away little while ago

may she RIP

I wonder to what extent our persistent thoughts play a part in our dreams.

Concerns - especially unresolved concerns

"Dave" wrote:

I wonder to what extent our persistent thoughts play a part in our dreams.

Concerns - especially unresolved concerns

a strong part

there a three types of dreams-In islam

1-tru ones

2-ones from the devil

3-chattering of the mind

ALLAH be witness I have fulfilled my duty.

"Medievalist" wrote:

ALLAH be witness I have fulfilled my duty.

which was? and how did u do it, a summary please?

"angel" wrote:

"Medievalist" wrote:

ALLAH be witness I have fulfilled my duty.

which was? and how did u do it, a summary please?

by telling us halwa- loving-revival- sinners that

"just because a book is written it doesnt meant we can read it"

but unfortunatly we're so far of the track there is no getting thru to people like us :roll: :roll:

"Med" wrote:

Can any1 tell me who here is a qualified dream-interpreter? Can any1 here refer me to a qualified dream-interpreter?

hafiz saab....i know this one person who i got a dream interpreted from...

and i wish i did not coz, i could not take in what he told me,

i also ask him some general questions when felt needed.answers 2, but

i dunno how qualified he is but hes a hafiz and has studied the tafseer of the quran and i think learn 2000 hadiths by heart...maybe an alim 2

if u want his contact mention it, even though im not sure if he knows alot bout dreams

Lol.

U burnley lot are funny.

My question was rhetorical, that means it wasnt meant to be answered.

My point of asking those questions was to draw peoples attention to the fact that they are not qualified to start interpreting dreams, even if they are their own. And Muhtarama took it as a real question. Lol.

An Alum Rock lady would never make such a mistake, but ur from burnley so I s'pose its understandable, there's nowt u can do abt it, is there?

(thats another rhetorical qsn! you dont need to asnwer it!!!)

But seriously I dont know if he is a dream interpreter. I dont know much about dreams myself, only thing like I mentioend before is that one of the visiting Mawlanas opened the book with us for a short while for barakah.

Another thing dont call me Hafiz Sahib please. I dont live upto it. A simple Med would be alright, or something else but not brother. It will be noted I dont refer to any1 of opposite gender as sister and prefer if the muslim ladies refrain from calling me brother.

Too bad stupidity isn't painful.

a friend of my abu mentioned that call a person what they are...he told me to call my brother hafiz abuzar, now that i found akward, he also said if a person is a mufti call them by they title ,if hafiz call them hafiz ,

and theres nothing wrong with calling someone sister brother now is there

arite no wrys no repect to u then MED

"NaJ/19" wrote:

Too bad stupidity isn't painful.

and theres nothing wrong with calling someone sister brother now is there

Muhtarama calling me stupid?

nah nothing wrong with calling someone sister brother. But personally I like to have distance. I refer to the brothers as brothers but with the ladies it is rarely directly. I say Muhtarama, Lady, for the benefit of some etc. I think it is best to have a more formal approach with the Muslim Ladies out of respect for the honour that ALLAH has given them.

"Med" wrote:

"NaJ/19" wrote:

Too bad stupidity isn't painful.

and theres nothing wrong with calling someone sister brother now is there

Muhtarama calling me stupid?

nah nothing wrong with calling someone sister brother. But personally I like to have distance. I refer to the brothers as brothers but with the ladies it is rarely directly. I say Muhtarama, Lady, for the benefit of some etc. I think it is best to have a more formal approach with the Muslim Ladies out of respect for the honour that ALLAH has given them.

ok however u wish, no im not calling u stupid...see u alum rock ppl dont get anything

"NaJ/19" wrote:

ok however u wish, no im not calling u stupid...[b][u]see u alum rock ppl dont get anything[/u][/b]

aha! that was you trying to make me look stupid! I get Muhtarama's game now.

Med i dont call anyone brother or sister either but i always thought people did so out of respect and to indicate their good intentions

being born into this culture i dont call anyone aunty or uncle either i call them by their names and have been told off so often for being disrespectful

regarding dreams it is true only those who have studied properly can interpret but the dream book is there for all to read and to get a general idea

it is there as a reference point not to live by and i also think that everyone here knows that and uses it as such

"seema*" wrote:

regarding dreams it is true only those who have studied properly can interpret [b][u]but the dream book is there for all to read [/u][/b]and to get a general idea

see thats the bit I disagree with. I think that certain books which deal with specialist subjects (dream interpretation is specialist) should only be read with a Teacher. Well thats what I was taught anyway because we only opened Allamah ibn Seereen's books when a Mawlana came to visit our madrassah. We werent permitted to open it before then.

dont get u there, why publish a book if u need permission to open it

the same dream can have many dif interpretations.

I do not have ref, but I hae heard someone went to Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddiq with a dream that the roof of the house was blown off and there were afew other events.

He was given an interpretation.

years later he went back and said he had the same dream again, and was given a dif interpretation for that time.

OK. Well first thing is that the people who published the book were different from the author. So it is entirely possible that the author wrote the book for a target audience, for a specific demographic, that was his reason for writing it. So by us it is that Allamah had written the books for the benefit of ulama who are skilled in the art of dream interpretation.

Now the publishers obviously publish the book to sell it and make money. They aren't gonna say only certain people should buy the book, they produce a books which they think people will find interesting and hope it fills that niche of public demand. So hence there can be a disparity between the actual authors book and the book that the publishers print.

Its like Bukhari Shareef. There are english translations floating around everywhere, in fact most of english translations are not even a full translataions they are the abdrigde version by I think Dr Muhsin? Well the abridged version is produced for the market, there are people out there who dont know anything about hadeeth and just walk around with Bukhari and take what they understand regardless of the correct understanding.

Its exactly the same with Allamah's book. If a person wants to study it and benefit from it, then by all means they should go and learn and study. But just using it and setting oneself up as a dream-interpreter is a bit of dodginess.

About permission to open the book. If Muhtarama asks her brother, I am pretty sure that until and unless a person masters arabic and the basics of deen he is not allowed to touch the books of hadeeth. Infact the daura hadeeth is the final year of dars e nizami - ie AFTER learning arabic, fiqh, rhetoric, mantiq etc only then in one year are the 6 books of hadeeth studied.

Med i get totally what you are saying - you've convinced me. People he has a convincing argument dont you think?

But Med still wont stop people from dabbling