"(*_Shazan" wrote:

Allah hasn’t legislate this day for us or more specifically “Pakistani Muslims” , no need it celebrate it or rejoice it, the amount

Where does it say one can't celebrate an occasion in which he/she is happy in?

I don't really have any connection with Pak coz I am Kashmiri but Happy Independance to all the Pakistani's!!!

"SAINT GEORGE" wrote:

respect to those who battled for self rule….esp gandhi…he was an honourable man…

Gandhi? Battle for selfrule?

Thatd disease ridden pagan did nothing but sit and fast. If you think he achieved anything you're more deluded than I could imagine.

The British who slaughtered the ulama by the hundreds after the 1857 mutiny, the British who raped and pillage the land for decades, the British who burnt mosques and confiscated Qurans - they left India cos some crackpot old man walking around in his dhoti, preaching Jai Hind went on hunger strike? Gimme a break.

If Hind has anything today its because of the sacrifice of the Muslim fighters and the Hindus who were brave and patriotic enough to fight for their homeland.

"(*_Shazan" wrote:

looooooooool. Somethings they don’t teach at GCSE history .

I cant be bothered to reply but I’ll correct some of your points;

The Taj Mahal designed by Emperor Shah Jahan built buy Mongol dynasty...

It was the British who parathion India off, which lead to Indo-Pak wars, resulted in the death of millions.

[b]The link is to a forum, which has been closed because of Zionist!

[/b][/b]

u know wot.....i never turned up to my history exam at GCSE....i thought i was a bad boy...too busy smoking skunk outside wit my iranian and irish mates...

BAD GEORGI!!

i swear we invented da taj mahal....i sure we did...check ur history....

or was dat the chicken tikka masala?

not sure......

it cant be our fault for particion of india....dats the fault of jinnah and his criminal followers...

cmon shazan.....u really think the zionists shut down ur website...u sure it really existed?

"Med Mian" wrote:

"SAINT GEORGE" wrote:

respect to those who battled for self rule….esp gandhi…he was an honourable man…

Gandhi? Battle for selfrule?

Thatd disease ridden pagan did nothing but sit and fast. If you think he achieved anything you're more deluded than I could imagine.

The British who slaughtered the ulama by the hundreds after the 1857 mutiny, the British who raped and pillage the land for decades, the British who burnt mosques and confiscated Qurans - they left India cos some crackpot old man walking around in his dhoti, preaching Jai Hind went on hunger strike? Gimme a break.

If Hind has anything today its because of the sacrifice of the Muslim fighters and the Hindus who were brave and patriotic enough to fight for their homeland.

BLOODY HELL!!

chill, chill, chill, chill!!!!!!!!!!!!

dont declear holy war on me!!

i though gandhi belevied in an india free from sectarianism....muslim, hindu, sikh, christian, wotever,...equal, with the same rights for all..

if muslim and hindu could live together in peace then wot need is there for pak i stan?

wot about the memory of tipu sultan??

he didnt want no land of "da pure"

i read about him....watched a docu as well

good man...brave warior...

didnt hate da hindu...

so why shuld u?

shazan, i tried the link, it said if you hav any enquiries please email to ahmed.taz@gmail.com.

The issue of partition is differed upon.

Leading ulama were present on both sides.

Hadrat Thanwi rahimahullah was with Muslim League and supported the creation of a seperate homeland for the Believers.

Hadrat Madani rahimahullah was with the Congress and supported the idea of one India.

I do not fall into either camp but rather am content with what ALLAH has decreed for us.

Sultan Tipu rahimahullah was the man - may ALLAH grant him a high place in paradise and forgive his sins - ameen. The reason he didnt want a seperate homeland is because the political situation was COMPLETELY different. He was still in control of Mysore and its locality - India politically at the time of Sultan Tipu and at the time of partition were politicially poles apart.

If you wish to cite Sultan Tipus example then we would have to say the Muslims should have control over the State of India as much as possible and be its rulers once more . . . . may ALLAH hasten that day soon inshaALLAH.

Tipu Sultan was indeed a great man, I just love the drama about him in which the lead role was played by Sanjay Khan, anyone know where the whole series of that drama can be brought? It's amazing seeing his life, such bravery, he truly was a hero, May Allah (swt) bless his soul with peace.

"Med Mian" wrote:

The issue of partition is differed upon.

Sultan Tipu rahimahullah was the man - may ALLAH grant him a high place in paradise and forgive his sins - ameen. The reason he didnt want a seperate homeland is because the political situation was COMPLETELY different. He was still in control of Mysore and its locality - India politically at the time of Sultan Tipu and at the time of partition were politicially poles apart.

If you wish to cite Sultan Tipus example then we would have to say the Muslims should have control over the State of India as much as possible and be its rulers once more . . . . may ALLAH hasten that day soon inshaALLAH.

ok mate....u seem a little agitated...so i'll keep it civil...

* even mighty GEORGI wondering about this geezerz sanity *

(just kiddin)

about tipu....he was a hero of da subcontinant...woz he not?

a great man...brave fighter...even us british recongnised his power and his integrity......

much better ruler than us ordinary english had to endure.....

but did he ever want a "land of da pure"?

did he ever believe muslims and hindu could not live together as equals?

surely he would have been against the division of india?

the worst ting ever happened to da sub continatnt was partition....

i aint denyin us british had a terrible role in da whole ting....

tipus army contained majority hindu....his kingdom was mixed...he treated all his subjects equally....

surely dats a role model for da subcontinant?

partition was a disaster......

I dont have the time or energy to go into the politics of it all.

The scenario of his time and of later is complete different.

Tipu Sultan didnt control a land mass with democracy in order. He was the Sultan and the rest were his subjects - hence it was possible for the Muslim Rulers to rule over a country where the majority were hindu.

The british were leaving a country with a democracy. The rule of the muslims was very cleverly snatched from them and handed over to the hindu majority. Those ulama who supported partition were fearful of the hindu renaissance that was and still is taking place - Gandhi intended for Islam to become another religion of India just as all the other religions become part of India - he intended for Islam to integrate into his Bharat.

And about hindus - I dont have anything personal against them. Its a matter of faith - we love and hate for the sake of ALLAH.

Yes - humans living in peace with one another is a what our Islam is all about. No arguments there.

And like I said - whether partition was right or not - I dont have an opinion because our Ulama were divided over the issue. The only thing I can say is that we should make the best of whatever situation we find ourselves in.

ALLAH willed for Pakistan and Bangladesh to be flanking India - we should
work to make these societies better.

Finally - you're right that is the best model. The muslims as rulers, the hindus as protected subjects and no democracy :twisted: muahahahahaa

yeh.....but u never answered my questino.......

would tipu sultan really have supported a "land of da pure"?

i dont think he would.......

lol

saint george is only posting on this thread for one reason and that reason is to seek attention and agitate us

george we played a major role in both world wars, if it wasnt for us you would prolly be speaking german

India was called the jewel in the crown , and once britain lost India its empire ceased to be an empire

India and Africa where places rich of resources and natural minerals e.g. gold, silver, copper, iron ore, fossil fuels ect , great architect and wonderful places rich of beautiful scenery , when the british got their hand on it they took all the resources and practically squeezed them dry.
Africa are suffering worse from malnutrition, starvation and the British are at fault, if anyone owes anyone anything its britain and they owe the continent of africa the most , now gold has been replaced by oil as the world most valuable commodity and the 'american empire' and England is making sure it gets hold of much as possible , even if it means making up lies to go war and killing innocent civillians and with the media behind them they will get away with it

do you know what a parasite is and what it does

'An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host. One who habitually takes advantage of the generosity of others without making any useful return'

thats your british empire for you a parasite wink

nas.......

u know if i wasnt in luv i'd hav to dismiss u as a dimwit... :roll:

but as i am in luv i'll give u the time of day.........

my point is simple...

my britain has a bad record in india....we play a major role in messin up da fine continant......

BUT.....

if u look at da history of the subcontinant.....u can see that the division of hindu and muslim (and sikh and christian etc) is a VERY bad thing.....

look at the mighty TIPU SULTAN....

even british military historian have highest respect for tipu...

i dont believe that tipu would have wanted india divided like it was in 1947...

im sayin that it would have been better if partician had never happened....

now, at least med had attempted to argue a point with intellengece and facts....

u have just wasted my time.... :roll:

lucky im in love, so its dont matter

god bless......

"SAINT GEORGE" wrote:

u know wot.....i never turned up to my history exam at GCSE.... thought i was a bad boy...too busy smoking skunk outside wit my iranian and irish mates...

i swear we invented da taj mahal....i sure we did...

and you call me a dimwit

George it has become obvious you dont know what you're on about.

If you want to be selective about history it's not a wise move.

How about we go through the major muslim leaders of the sub-continent including

Muhammad ibn Qasim ath-Thaqafi
Sultan Mahmood Ghaznawi
Aurangzeb Alamgeer
Sultan Tipu to name just a few and THEN see what India and hindu-muslim unity is about.

Dont chat out just for the sake of it but know what you're on about.

And I'd advise you sort your own house in order before worrying about indo-pak. What happened to the unification of Britain? Scotland is going its own way with their parliament or whatever and Welsh have their assembly - devolution is ok for the white folk but when natives go for it - the benevolent white sahibs know best. :roll: get a grip on reality bruv.

"Angel" wrote:

"(*_Shazan" wrote:

Allah hasn’t legislate this day for us or more specifically “Pakistani Muslims” , no need it celebrate it or rejoice it, the amount

Where does it say one can't celebrate an occasion in which he/she is happy in?

I don't really have any connection with Pak coz I am Kashmiri but Happy Independance to all the Pakistani's!!!

Eid Adha and Eid ul fiter the only days that Allah has legislate for us, all other celebration or to make an event is biddah!

I’m interested in knowing what this day has such importance, did they:

Did you remember the Prophet saw for hours on this day?

Did you pray any Nafl prayers?

Did you go to bed early and pray Tahajjud before Fajr?

After praying the Fajr, did you, like our beloved Nabi saw sit for an hour or so, reading and reflecting upon the Qur'an for this special occasion?

Did you visit someone who was sick or the elderly on this day?

Did you spend quality time with your family, or your children?

I’ve already seen how the boy racers show their nationalism!

[b]Mr.Galloway and Zara my forum is is closed.[/b] :evil:

"(*_Shazan" wrote:

Eid Adha and Eid ul fiter the only days that Allah has legislate for us, all other celebration or to make an event is biddah!

Dont touch de topic everyones gonna end up at attacking each oda lolz :twisted:

Dont celebrate independance day but had a wicked time y'day at B'ham apart from being stuck on the stupid M6 coz of an accident...

Anddddddddddddd..... something positive bout Pakiland.

Its just wicked. I love Pakiland Insha'allah gonna again this year

"(*_Shazan" wrote:

Eid Adha and Eid ul fiter the only days that Allah has legislate for us, all other celebration or to make an event is biddah!

Qul be fadhlillahi wa berahmatihi fabizaalika falyafrahoo.

'Say, by Allah's grace and mercy; and let them be made joyful by this!' (Yunus, 58.)

Please be careful when making such statements.

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Mr.Galloway and Zara my forum is is closed. Evil or Very Mad

???

"naj" wrote:

"(*_Shazan" wrote:

Eid Adha and Eid ul fiter the only days that Allah has legislate for us, all other celebration or to make an event is biddah!

Dont touch de topic everyones gonna end up at attacking each oda lolz :twisted:

Dont celebrate independance day but had a wicked time y'day at B'ham apart from being stuck on the stupid M6 coz of an accident...

Anddddddddddddd..... something positive bout Pakiland.

Its just wicked. I love Pakiland Insha'allah gonna again this year

Prophet saw said "Nationalism is rotten so leave it".

And Admin I'm sticking firm to what I have been taught and this day is not legislated.

And I'm upset with MuslimDomain being closed

"Admin" wrote:

Please be careful when making such statements.

Quote:

Mr.Galloway and Zara my forum is is closed. Evil or Very Mad

???

huh??? what the hell?

mashaALLAH well put Shazan bruv.

And celebrating the ni'mat of ALLAH doesnt mean celebrating Paki Independence Day - :roll:

if I say anything Im rolling out my fatwa-machine , if others do it then its just an opinion. :roll:

"(*_Shazan" wrote:

Prophet saw said "Nationalism is rotten so leave it".

And Admin I'm sticking firm to what I have been taught and this day is not legislated.

And He also defined Nationalism as supporting your people in a cause which is wrong.

In other words If we support brit gov in an action when we know the action we are supporting is wrong.

Quote:

And I'm upset with MuslimDomain being closed

Were you running that site? or were you just a regular?

"Admin" wrote:

And He also defined Nationalism as supporting your people in a cause which is wrong.

In other words If we support brit gov in an action when we know the action we are supporting is wrong.

Quote:

And I'm upset with MuslimDomain being closed

Were you running that site? or were you just a regular?

Assalaam alaikum,

Yes.......

Abu Da'wud that the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said,

"He is not one us who calls for Asabiyyah, (nationalism/tribalism) or who
fights for `Asabiyyah or who dies for `Asabiyyah."

Prophet saw said "He who calls for `Asabiyyah is as if he bit his father's genitals"

I was the forum amir and the brother who runs or use to; was hassled by the ahuthorties (Zionist Australian lobby!)

Dave and Med were memeber's of my forum

"(*_Shazan" wrote:

Abu Da'wud that the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said,

"He is not one us who calls for Asabiyyah, (nationalism/tribalism) or who
fights for `Asabiyyah or who dies for `Asabiyyah."

Prophet saw said "He who calls for `Asabiyyah is as if he bit his father's genitals"

"Admin" wrote:

And He also defined Nationalism as supporting your people in a cause which is wrong.

"(*_Shazan" wrote:

I was the forum amir and the brother who runs or use to; was hassled by the authorities (Zionist Australian lobby!)

Dave and Med were memeber's of my forum

The site based in australia? Was the brother who ran it australian, or was he here and official channels taken by ozzie authorities through the brit authorities?

I need to make sure this place stays open. (Since we have a mag and large circulation I am certain we are under some sort of surveilance. Would be too stupid of the suthorities not to do so. But we got nowt to hide.)

The brother who opened the forum was based in Australia and majority of our members were from Australia.

Comments judge to be anti-Semitic made on our forum by Iranian fanatics lead to it’s closure.

Shaz,

Any word yet on when Barodate is putting up the provisional MuslimDomain? Also do you know if Ahmed is in any personal legal trouble due to the sights closure?

Thanks,
Dave

salaam

lol ok u guys go off topic sooo quickly!!

sum1 said sorry i didnt quote, but money in pakistan doesnt get u ne where!! wrong if u have money in pakistan the best place to live, ok not free education but its good education use ur brain a bit and they give u scholarships, which then the british eventually offer u 2!! u can have the nicest houses and the nicest cars, and the beauty, makes kew gardens look like a play park!!

2ndly sum1 also stated musharraf as a negative!! mate hes the best thing thats happened to pakistan and most importantly britsh/ pakis in a loooong time!!

3rdly imran khan keep dreaming hes too nice!! aint gonna happen

"Saadia Khan" wrote:

salaam

2ndly sum1 also stated musharraf as a negative!! mate hes the best thing thats happened to pakistan and most importantly britsh/ pakis in a loooong time!!

3rdly imran khan keep dreaming hes too nice!! aint gonna happen

I see you like Qadiani president and prefer dictatorship as form of governing a country, Musharraf is a disgrace to this Ummah, his treachery to Afghani for his nationalist agenda and his oppressive dealing in Balochistan .

Your nationalist traits are rotten Khan. A shame Pakistan cant use another date in it’s dark history to fulfill it’s Islamic obligations and give justice to the Bengalis.

I would have deleted this thread long time ago. Nationalism is a cause of disunity, imagine how Abaas felt when he wasn’t invited to go cruising because it just happened he wasn’t Pakistani and made to feel inferior, what about the countless Muslims who cant marry a person not from their parents country, again one ideology is to blame and one that is openly being promoted here.

Yup have to agree, Musharraf is just another puppy of bush and blair.
Pakistan should get rid of him but i doubt that will ever happen.

Proof that he is qadiyani?

And no matter what bad things Musharaf has done, he has done far better than his predecessors. Noone is perfect, but he is above average from a very bad bunch.

What is happening in Balochistan is very bad. It's almost civil war. Very serious. But then again, even appeasement would have downsides.

I don't understand the abbad comment, so I will leave it.

Why the vitriol Shazan?

Bangladesh is another country and has been for a long time. It has to demand justice to get it. And it will also have to look into it;s own peoples acts aswell. Not something the government probably wants to do.

And can we NOT have personal attacks on other members? If someone likes Pakistan, good for them. If they dislike it, then good for them too.