Islam and women...

i don't know where you got the quote of surah 4 verse 34.

It is actually translated by Yusuf ali as:

Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because God has given
the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their
means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the
husband's) absence what God would have them guard. As to those women on whose
part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share
their beds.........

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Many of your quotes are just translated in the most biased way i have studied.

Are you are a scholar to do a tafseer of an quranic ayat?

for you try to make yourself seem like one!

[quote="Raj"]Do you not see it says men are maintainers of women? they are our property![/quote]

Maintaning means caring, helping, changing, looking after

it doesn't mean that they are mens property for doing these actions.

knmn mn

You need to learn some more knowledge of Islam

Read the following article it describes in details in how Women are equally treated.

http://www.minhajsisters.com/home/articles/index.minhaj?dir=&id=19

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http://www.brandeis.edu/projects/fse/Pages/adifficultverse.html#anchor_…

Read the above website.

Intepreting Hadiths and Quranic Verses are not the job of ordinary people. What true scholars do is they comapare verses that state mean and women are equal and then look at the arabic terms closely for interpreting them for Arabic is a deep language and every arabic word can have many meanings and root words.

kjk

[quote="Raj"][quote="Islamic Brother"]http://www.brandeis.edu/projects/fse/Pages/adifficultverse.html#anchor_…

Read the above website.

Intepreting Hadiths and Quranic Verses are not the job of ordinary people. What true scholars do is they comapare verses that state mean and women are equal and then look at the arabic terms closely for interpreting them for Arabic is a deep language and every arabic word can have many meanings and root words.[/quote]

Give me a break! why do you think they say you shouldn't try to interpret themselves?[/quote]
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because we get people like you blowing things out of proportion n distorting the truth, they are knowledgable in that area so leave them to it[/color]

[quote="Islamic Brother"]You need to learn some more knowledge of Islam

Read the following article it describes in details in how Women are equally treated.

http://www.minhajsisters.com/home/articles/index.minhaj?dir=&id=19[/quo…]

You cannot all the above site crap for in there are quote authentic hadiths and Quranic Ayats that proove Women are equal to men.

You need to visit a scholar and ask these questions for I don't claim myself to be one. If you cannot then you are truely arrogant, stubborn and no light will reach you in any way.

I don't understand why the hell is anyone even listening to his rubbish, just ignore him. A person who is truly wanting to know about Islam doesn't speak the way Raj has done. If he wants to learn he should visit a scholar and stop lookin at sites for info.

Raj you don't have the authority to interpret the Quran or the Sunnah so quit it, anything you intrepret in the wrong way is a sin on your head, sort yourself out.

[quote="Raj"]...As I have studied Islam to great extent we have to accept the scriptures and stop using western ideas of how we should treat women or go all apologetic, if the women don't like it, they can leave Islam. For a start I want my wife to be subservient and obedient to me as a Muslim women should be to her husband and I will prove this by refer to the hadith.

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You haven’t studied an atom's worth because you simply plagiarised from Answering Islam!

http://debate.domini.org/newton/womeng.html

Maybe you guys are right.

Yr funny Raj

May Allah give U hidaayah ameen.

[quote="Raj"]Maybe you guys are right.[/quote]

Have you understand what you've copied?

NO

Ameen Naj.....

Raj if you get a chance to read Amel post Insha’Allah read It with open heart. And lets start again

[quote="naj"]Yr funny Raj

May Allah give U hidaayah ameen.[/quote]

AMEEN.

It seems like this 'Raj' has finally backed down.

May Allah lead you to the straight and correct path and give you back the sweetness of Iman.

Wassalam

Raj, brother, you must respect women. They are not our property but Allah's creation. The Prophet SAW said the kindest of men are those that are kind to their wives. If one trait in a woman displeases you then look for another trait in her that you might appreciate. No woman wants an unmannered, rude, selfish man with a heart of burnt ashes and jealousy. You say you are a pious Muslim but you should rethink that and consider being a pious Mu'min. Today you may be criticizing a woman but tomorrow another man will be criticizing your mother, sister, wife, or daughter.

As-Salam-u-'Alaikum wa RahmatAllahi wa Barakatuhu

On thoughts, on Woman

Mohammed first wife Khadija bint Khuwaylid

At age 25, Muhammad wed his wealthy employer, the 40-year-old merchant Khadija. This marriage, his first, would be both happy and monogamous; Muhammad would rely on Khadija in many ways, until her death 25 years later.They had two sons, Qasim and Abd-Allah (nicknamed al-Ṭāhir and al-Ṭayyib respectively),both died young, and four daughters—Zaynab, Ruqaiya, Umm Kulthum and Fatimah. Shia scholars dispute the paternity of Khadija's daughters, as they view the first three of them as the daughters from previous marriages and only Fatimah as the daughter of Muhammad and Khadija. During their marriage, Khadija purchased the slave Zayd ibn Harithah, then adopted the young man as her son at Muhammad's request

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad%27s_wives#Muhammad.27s_marriages

As you can read, Khadija was a working woman and had considerable wealth and influence in own right, before her marriage to Mohammed. Having influence, like most wives, on Mohammed throughout their marriage. So following the direct example of Mohammed a woman should be treated with respect and equality.

“Human kind is made up of two sexes, women and men. Is it possible that a mass is improved by the improvement of only one part and the other part is ignored? Is it possible that if half of a mass is tied to earth with chains and the other half can soar into skies?”

― Mustafa Kemal Atatürk