Integrating into British society

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Today Tony Blair said that it is we moderate muslims who have to root out extremism within our midst. Many muslims apparantly don't integrate enough.

I think integrating has limits and we should not cross that limit and go against Islam.
I mean that people should be able to read, write and speak English, they should be working and paying taxes, they should get along with other non muslims etc.

But i feel under no circumstances must we integrate to a level that goes against the teachings of Islam. Such as drinking, going clubbing, freely dating and fornicating, wearing next to nothing revealing youre body etc.

We still have the right to practice our religion and integrate into British society.

What do you guys think?

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SAINT GEORGE ZHUKOV — Sat, 12 Aug 2006 - 20:10

i think dis is a approprite topic to chat about england whupping pakistan in dat cricket!

we took a 2-0 slapping over da winter and got a deserved gunning in da press, and from pakistan fans for our troubles....

but we showed our bottle when we at home...

current score:

[b]ENGLAND[/b] [size=18]2[/size]
[b]PAKISTAN[/b] [size=18]0[/size]

da heros of da england team in dis seris....da 2 main lions who led us to victory....da 2 who bowled pakistan out and gave us glory were....

[color=blue]Mudhsuden Singh Panesar[/color]......

and

[color=green]Sajid Mahmood.......[/color]

intergration anyone?

u dont have to act like a beer swiggin englishmen to be a brit....just be a good person and treat other as u would have them treat u...

god save da queen etc etc

zara — Sat, 12 Aug 2006 - 21:49

i don't see why we should try and integrate, they obviously don't want us to. i don't think of myself as british anymore, if anyone asks, i'm a pakistani

You — Sat, 12 Aug 2006 - 21:56

[quote="zara"]i don't see why we should try and integrate, they obviously don't want us to. i don't think of myself as british anymore, if anyone asks, i'm a pakistani[/quote]

Try to go to pakistan. If they let you in without a visa, I will allow you your point.

Anonymous (not verified) — Sun, 13 Aug 2006 - 00:39

[quote="SAINT GEORGE"]i think dis is a approprite topic to chat about england whupping pakistan in dat cricket!

[/quote]

England have been trashed all over South Asia this year looool. You chose your moments to celebrate 😉 I'm happy because your happy

Exquisite — Sun, 13 Aug 2006 - 10:19

[quote="Admin"][quote="zara"]i don't see why we should try and integrate, they obviously don't want us to. i don't think of myself as british anymore, if anyone asks, i'm a pakistani[/quote]

Try to go to pakistan. If they let you in without a visa, I will allow you your point.[/quote]
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il have to disagre wiv you there sis, the most important thng should be that you are a Muslim, that should be the first thng, then you can say ur pakistani/british etc, cuz thats wht divides us at the moment, im not saying you shouldnt say ur pakistani but the you're a muslim first,im not ashamed to say im from bangladesh, but id say im a Muslim from bangladesh born n bred in britian[/color]

zara — Sun, 13 Aug 2006 - 10:51

[quote="Exquisite"][quote="Admin"][quote="zara"]i don't see why we should try and integrate, they obviously don't want us to. i don't think of myself as british anymore, if anyone asks, i'm a pakistani[/quote]

Try to go to pakistan. If they let you in without a visa, I will allow you your point.[/quote]
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il have to disagre wiv you there sis, the most important thng should be that you are a Muslim, that should be the first thng, then you can say ur pakistani/british etc, cuz thats wht divides us at the moment, im not saying you shouldnt say ur pakistani but the you're a muslim first,im not ashamed to say im from bangladesh, but id say im a Muslim from bangladesh born n bred in britian[/color][/quote]

people don't ask me if i'm muslim tho, they can tell by looking at me, so then they ask 'are you british?'

Exquisite — Sun, 13 Aug 2006 - 10:52

[quote="zara"][quote="Exquisite"][quote="Admin"][quote="zara"]i don't see why we should try and integrate, they obviously don't want us to. i don't think of myself as british anymore, if anyone asks, i'm a pakistani[/quote]

Try to go to pakistan. If they let you in without a visa, I will allow you your point.[/quote]
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il have to disagre wiv you there sis, the most important thng should be that you are a Muslim, that should be the first thng, then you can say ur pakistani/british etc, cuz thats wht divides us at the moment, im not saying you shouldnt say ur pakistani but the you're a muslim first,im not ashamed to say im from bangladesh, but id say im a Muslim from bangladesh born n bred in britian[/color][/quote]

people don't ask me if i'm muslim tho, they can tell by looking at me, so then they ask 'are you british?'[/quote]

[color=magenta]Fair enough i get ur point, sorry for the misunderstanding[/color]

yashmaki — Sun, 13 Aug 2006 - 17:36

why do we have to prove we're british we do a hell of a lot more than the native brits do as far as integration goes.

Aside from our parents our generation know English, we go to state schools, we interact with all sorts of ppl not just muslims, most of us have non muslim as well as muslim friends. We work alongside non muslims. Many of us choose to wear modest forms of western clothing rather than eastern dress, we eat certain western foods etc etc the list is exhausting.

Can the same be said of native brits? How far do they go to mix with ethnic ppl that's what all these media pundits should be asking, coz i think that's where the problem of alienation lies. I mean it's all very well them claiming we don't integrate but talk is cheap what do they do themselves? i.e in they go to spain on holiday and france and don't even bother to learn how to order a cup of tea/coffee in spanish. They move over to spain seeking a better lifestyle but they make their own british ghettos over there, much like the ones asians have in britain. instead they stick to their own ppl, refuse to learn spanish and open their own fish and chip shops. Is that integration? Talk about hypocrisy.

I'm muslim and i'm british i don't have to prove anything. Why must someone ask me are you british simply coz i don't have white skin?

SAINT GEORGE ZHUKOV — Sun, 13 Aug 2006 - 21:36

[quote="(*_Shazan"][quote="SAINT GEORGE"]i think dis is a approprite topic to chat about england whupping pakistan in dat cricket!

[/quote]

England have been trashed all over South Asia this year looool. You chose your moments to celebrate 😉 I'm happy because your happy[/quote]

when u winnin u gotta give it large... 😃

we never got whupped in south asia...alright pakistan beat us, but we still gave it large to india an got a 1-1 draw...

we blatelny da best...we gonna stuff aussies in da winter as well....

still to keep it on topic....integration is shown in us havin asian players in our team...we need em badly...white men cant spin...apart from warney...

SAINT GEORGE ZHUKOV — Sun, 13 Aug 2006 - 21:40

[quote="yashmaki"]why do we have to prove we're british we do a hell of a lot more than the native brits do as far as integration goes.

Aside from our parents our generation know English, we go to state schools, we interact with all sorts of ppl not just muslims, most of us have non muslim as well as muslim friends. We work alongside non muslims. Many of us choose to wear modest forms of western clothing rather than eastern dress, we eat certain western foods etc etc the list is exhausting.

Can the same be said of native brits? How far do they go to mix with ethnic ppl that's what all these media pundits should be asking, coz i think that's where the problem of alienation lies. I mean it's all very well them claiming we don't integrate but talk is cheap what do they do themselves? i.e in they go to spain on holiday and france and don't even bother to learn how to order a cup of tea/coffee in spanish. They move over to spain seeking a better lifestyle but they make their own british ghettos over there, much like the ones asians have in britain. instead they stick to their own ppl, refuse to learn spanish and open their own fish and chip shops. Is that integration? Talk about hypocrisy.

I'm muslim and i'm british i don't have to prove anything. Why must someone ask me are you british simply coz i don't have white skin?[/quote]

its true about us english not being interested in other cultures...we always bin like dat...an island race...

i bin spain about 10 times but the only spanish i know is "si" and "una lagar por favor"...

integration doesnt mean assimilation...u right, muslims have integrated into british culture...so have most immigrants groups...

theres a lot more to british culture than pubs and booze lifestyle...

its still a shame when muslim cricketer sajid mahmood gets booed by pakistan fans and is called a "tratior"...

zara — Sun, 13 Aug 2006 - 21:47

[quote="SAINT GEORGE"][quote="yashmaki"]why do we have to prove we're british we do a hell of a lot more than the native brits do as far as integration goes.

Aside from our parents our generation know English, we go to state schools, we interact with all sorts of ppl not just muslims, most of us have non muslim as well as muslim friends. We work alongside non muslims. Many of us choose to wear modest forms of western clothing rather than eastern dress, we eat certain western foods etc etc the list is exhausting.

Can the same be said of native brits? How far do they go to mix with ethnic ppl that's what all these media pundits should be asking, coz i think that's where the problem of alienation lies. I mean it's all very well them claiming we don't integrate but talk is cheap what do they do themselves? i.e in they go to spain on holiday and france and don't even bother to learn how to order a cup of tea/coffee in spanish. They move over to spain seeking a better lifestyle but they make their own british ghettos over there, much like the ones asians have in britain. instead they stick to their own ppl, refuse to learn spanish and open their own fish and chip shops. Is that integration? Talk about hypocrisy.

I'm muslim and i'm british i don't have to prove anything. Why must someone ask me are you british simply coz i don't have white skin?[/quote]

its true about us english not being interested in other cultures...we always bin like dat...an island race...

i bin spain about 10 times but the only spanish i know is "si" and "una lagar por favor"...

integration doesnt mean assimilation...u right, muslims have integrated into british culture...so have most immigrants groups...

theres a lot more to british culture than pubs and booze lifestyle...

its still a shame when muslim cricketer sajid mahmood gets booed by pakistan fans and is called a "tratior"...[/quote]

i'ts not a shame, serves him right, he is a traitor

You — Mon, 14 Aug 2006 - 00:19

My test of britishness:

What is your favourite cake/biscuit?

If the Answer is Jaffa cakes, you're in.

PS do any of you know the diference between a cake and a biscuit?

I do. and Historically there have even been diferent taxes for each one!

Exquisite — Mon, 14 Aug 2006 - 00:20

[quote="Admin"]My test of britishness:

What is your favourite cake/biscuit?

If the Answer is Jaffa cakes, you're in.

PS do any of you know the diference between a cake and a biscuit?

I do. and Historically there have even been diferent taxes for each one![/quote]
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yeah i prefer jaffa cakes over cookies, but i love jammy dodgers, also cake is softer than biscuits[/color]

You — Mon, 14 Aug 2006 - 00:25

The diference is when cakes go stale, they become harder. When biscuits go stale then soften.

Some confectionary company even went to court to prove this! (and get a lower tax burden...)

Noor, you have failed the britishness test. The Immigration office will be informed shortly...

Noor — Mon, 14 Aug 2006 - 00:26

[quote="Admin"]
Noor, you have failed the britishness test. The Immigration office will be informed shortly...[/quote]

Hmmmm..

and i will be looking forward to seeing them!

I will offer them some cookies when they come!

You — Mon, 14 Aug 2006 - 00:27

ooh, you are playing it dangerously there!

The police can be lethal here. They may decide deporting you to scotland or somewhere to be too much hassle!

Noor — Mon, 14 Aug 2006 - 00:29

[quote="Admin"]ooh, you are playing it dangerously there!

The police can be lethal here. They may decide deporting you to scotland or somewhere to be too much hassle![/quote]

O dont you worry, me and the police go waaaaaaaaay back 😉

I'm pretty safe, and Scotland is a beautiful place, won't mind paying a visit there!

You — Mon, 14 Aug 2006 - 00:31

[quote="*_Noor_*"]I'm pretty safe, and Scotland is a beautiful place, won't mind paying a visit there![/quote]

That is what THEY want you to think!

Noor — Mon, 14 Aug 2006 - 00:32

[quote="Admin"][quote="*_Noor_*"]I'm pretty safe, and Scotland is a beautiful place, won't mind paying a visit there![/quote]

That is what THEY want you to think![/quote]

[b][size=24]NO, Thats what U want me to Think![/size][/b]

SAINT GEORGE ZHUKOV — Mon, 14 Aug 2006 - 20:26

[quote="zara"][quote="SAINT GEORGE"][
its true about us english not being interested in other cultures...we always bin like dat...an island race...

i bin spain about 10 times but the only spanish i know is "si" and "una lagar por favor"...

integration doesnt mean assimilation...u right, muslims have integrated into british culture...so have most immigrants groups...

theres a lot more to british culture than pubs and booze lifestyle...

its still a shame when muslim cricketer sajid mahmood gets booed by pakistan fans and is called a "tratior"...[/quote]

i'ts not a shame, serves him right, he is a traitor[/quote]

hows he a traitor?

he was born here...luved cricket...hes good enuff to play for the national team...so wot if hes family from a different country....u should be proud of him...he a great player...

i liked it when it gave the old "shhhh" signal to the pakistan fans... 😃

sajid shows dis country needs the sons and daughters of immigants to keep us stong...

Angel — Mon, 14 Aug 2006 - 21:00

[quote="Admin"]ooh, you are playing it dangerously there!

The police can be lethal here. They may decide deporting you to scotland or somewhere to be too much hassle![/quote]

oi scot is no place for deports :evil: (noor not aimed at u). Yeah scot is beautiful and full of beautiful ppl 8)

I have to agree with admin, jaffa cakes are bloody damn delicious

That's a shame bout that sajid guy, why should he be booed :evil: just coz he's playing against pak? Big woop, the guy has lived here.