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yeah , give your fatwa then run away....
i dont get the mentality here...
all i have said is that i have the right to criticise, as long as it constructive.....
i havent meant to insult anyone.... my apologies to Dust... yes she is a very learnerd member on this forum
to Yuit, dont i have a right to disagree with HT, everyone has a right to agree or disagree with any group...as long as it is with respect...
ppl praise HT when they dont really know their deep views on certain issues... i spent three years with them... i know the issues relating to them
yes they do good work, get youth off the streets, their spokesman for media is very good.... i praise them for that
and like every group..they have points you can disagree with...
but when i disagree with them... everyone gets upset...
unity is not to agree with everyone, unity is that you disagree but still work together... i have no problem working with them on common issues...
Who running away and why is it when someone has a opinion that goes against you it suddenly someone posting FATWAS are you that insecure. I personally just fed up, when i joined this forum 2 years ago i remember the Ex HT thread was up and two years on, we still hearing the outdated agruments again. I already said that i don't have a problem with constructive critism, note what i said on Beast post. But if you think the post on amphetamines is constructive criticism, fair enough :roll: . Plus you first post was a attempt to ridicule my defense of HT, by saying some of the following.
Now, my problem is not with people having constructive criticism of HT or any muslims it about people working on hearsay, now in the past when certain member did it, everyone was quick to realise it, why the indifference now for.
"A true Muslim is thankful to Allah in prosperity, and resigned to His will in adversity."
[url=http//www.guidancemedia.com/videostream.php?id=Burda.mov]Quran[/url]
yuot got a point
mr ed, you havnt argued anythin - more of a resort to personal attacks on Yuit and Dust, which very unfair
and Razor - back ur claims up please, not jus what u heard and what u haerd
and lay off Minhaj - nowt to do with this
and yes im still anti-HT
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
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i dont think i have EVER agreed with you, doesnt look like i will
its always good to agree to disagree
u always defend everyone so i can see what u say and why u say it.... i just speak my mind, criticise , debate etc... Yuit will defend almost any muslim group that is being criticised, i think thats naeive but Yuit will think its unity and hiding the faults of others!
i can write an essay about my disagreements with Ht which i think are damaging, but no point here.... some will accuse me of fitna..others just wont understand...
i dont think Yuit has really discussed in detail with Ht's about the issues, policies of Ht about khilafah, fard ain, kifayah, nation states, death of jahiliyah, democracy, nationalism, follow law of land, voting, insurance and many other issues...
but anyway... i just better shut up
So according to yuit, we should hide HT's faults n let the youth get misled. Yeh that great, conceal there faults n let em lead unsuspecting youth into hell or summin right.
As for my sources, 3 of my cousins, from london or surrounding areas are HT's, 2 r recovering former HT's tryna get the other 3 out. The other day I spoke to ma cuzn who left HT n he told me why...~Long story, if i bother posting it all, it'll jus get a big shout of BS. so whats the point right?
basically he told me they got funny ideas in aqeedah, for example, they dunt beleve in punishment of grave. N they tell there students not to get into aqeedah issues with others becuz they only wna fight for khilafah, not aqeedah issues.
They say amphetamines are debateable, n many of there members use summin called khat which i hav no idea wat it is.
He also told me most of his time with HT was wasted defacing public property, spray painting "Democracy is hypocrasy, Khilafah is coming" etc. Also, he told me they use to run round in london on thursday nights, beatin up drunks, n bricking pubs. I asked him whetehr HT encouraged this, he told me it was encouraged by a high member of HT, whose house they used to go to once a week for a halaqah.
Eventually this stupid stuff caught up with him, n landed him in prison for 6 monthes,he got out bout a month ago. Anyway, while he was in prison, my uncle went to meet him, n i knew he was anti-sufi, as are HT. So i told my uncle to buy him a book to giv him, thouhgt it would be funny to get him a few sufi books, So my uncle bought him an Imam Ghazali book. N he started asking for more of these sufi books.
Neway his tym in prison wasnt a complete waste, he read up on classical scholors (which HT discourage btw) n realised HT was a joke, n now he's tryna get his life in check. 1st thing he did when he came out was to take bayah into silsila Qadiri, which i dint beleve at 1st, thouhgt he was havin me on,
Anyhow, 3 of my cuzns r deep in HT still at the moment, n him n one other cuzn tryna get him outta HT.
The reason they joined?
Basically all 5 of them were not practising, they were astray youth living in london, chillers, not druggies or nething, jus chillers.
One of them had a friend who got involved with HT,got him involved, he got the other involved, n for past mayb 5ish years they been deep in. He also told me they hardly do much in workin towards the khilafah, he sed they are always told, they r in a phase were they are makin people aware of it. They been doin it for 50+ years n they aint got nowhere. He sed its more likely George bush makin a khilafah then HT
, he is a bit of a joker, so i think tghat was a joke.
Anyhow, thas my sources, my family members. I dunt kno much else bout HT except what they hav told me, 1st they use to big em up, now 2 of em r cursing them. Makes you wonder.
Ed can tell us more, which i hope he duz becuz he has a personal experience with them.
[b]Keep the language under control please, across all threads ------NewModOnTheBlock[/b]
_____________- -SupeRazor- -_______________
Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight
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In stead of 'Ed attacking yuit and dust, and them two defending, I think it would be more appropriate to actually stick to the topic.
The topic is not 'do you like the HT? what do you think of those who tolerate them?'.
Its more about them and other groups. what position do they hold on various issues? are they peaceful? should they be banned or publicised?
I would rather see a proper discussion in which I may learn something...
(and 'Ed saying 'I have never agreed with you nor will I ever' is not constructive discussion. It holds no merit apart from ignoring the discussion...so please either discuss, or leave this topic well alone. Afterall there are plenty of other topics here aswell...)
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
salaam muslim_girl.
One thing I think we have missed is that working towards an Islamic state is a collective duty. Someone has to be doing it. (well.. that is what I have been told...)
And since the HT are doing it, they are fulfilling the communal obligation. (The HT I spoke to disagreed though... he was of the opinion its a personal obligation on every single muslim...).
Thus the HT are keeping me and others away from sin. (If noone works towards khilafah, then the whole community is at fault... everyone sinning...)
Apart from that, the aqeedah issue is not that they have a certain aqeedah, but rather the people they come into contact with do not have any real prior Islamic knowledge, and thus do not know their aqeedah. When they learn it, they will learn it from the people that teach them.
If someone asked me an aqeedah question, I would tell them what I believe, not what others believe.
So the issue is of finding the right teacher.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
I don't believe that by hiding people fault we will get unity, but by exposing people in public, you will find it has a worser effect. Especially when some if not most of the agrument are on hearsay. Just look at the past when people have decided to attack certain groups and people full on, in trying to defeat the opposition you normally end up just defeating yourself. When i have a problem with anything HT do, i tell them directly and normally in private, i haven't been to one of their events in over a year now, but at the end of the day we both know where we stand and there no bad feelings. At the end of the day, i don't think anyone i defend has evil intent, if they did, i would speak publically against them or if left in doubt would remain silent.
On Razor point about people getting misled, the more you attack a certain group the more these people will close their mind to you, now surely it be better you go with a positive rather then a negative, so instead of trying to make a agrument why someone shouldn't join HT, why not try creating a agrument why they should follow what you are doing, in the process it saves so much Fitna. Talking about fellow muslims and Hell, to me you are stepping on dangerous ground here.
Why i haven't bother discussing HT in full, because as i mention it an old topic which has been discuss many a time and the same point keep getting raised, you only have to look at this thread below and i sure there a couple more like them lying around this forum and the old one. All the point Ed has raised have already been discuss here already.
[url=http://www.therevival.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=164&postdays=0&postor... Banning HT [/url]
w/s
"A true Muslim is thankful to Allah in prosperity, and resigned to His will in adversity."
[url=http//www.guidancemedia.com/videostream.php?id=Burda.mov]Quran[/url]
I think Ed should lay-off mentioing forum-members by name unless he has something positive to say.
This way he will be forced to tackle the argument rather than the person.
apology accepted.
now can we discuss this with an open mind please... i'm sure we can all communicate our points without making this personal.
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
Fair enuff.
Now, a lil twist in topic. n im not bashing anyone here, im asking fellow forumites there views...
Anjum choudary, the bloke with the big beard, spokesman for Al mahajiroon. Ive seen him about 3 times on TV, and each time he manages to call a muslim a kafir. EG, once he was talkin to a female muslim lawyer, he told her, "you not wearing a hijaab, so u not following the sharia, you cant b a muslim, your goin to hell."
Another time he was on with a guy who i dunt remember his profession, but the guy had a lil short beard, anjum choudary sed, "when you follow the sharia and hav a proper sharia beard, then u can tell me what muslims think, at the moment you are not a muslim".
Also, ive herd from many people that HT use a similar technique in the sense that they say, you practise islam brother you pray 5 times a day? the brother says no, they say, wat kinda muslim r u.
Also, ive herd from my aunties visit to london, she looks rather young, she went to a HT stall she saw, to see wat info she cud find. They basically sed, you not wearing a hijab, u shud wear a hijab to b a good muslim woman.
Now the HT stuff i havn't seen with my eyes, but anjum choudary i seen many times on TV do this.
Is this what helps us unite? telling others they not good muslims, makin em feel bad, makin a fool of yaself in the process?
Discuss
_____________- -SupeRazor- -_______________
Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight
what on earth has anjum choudary got to do with HT? razor, there's a reason Al-Muhajiroun came into existence: they [b]disagreed with[/b] HT and so broke off and formed their own group, got banned, and then re-grouped as Al-Gorabaa.
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
Well in my original post i mention mahajiroon or wateva thy wna call themselves, They used to b part of HT bck in the day.
And, they come under "other loony toons", n im askin wat we think n how we shud handle this situation.
_____________- -SupeRazor- -_______________
Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight
Salaam
Well, if someone doesn't pray 5 times a day, definate room for improvement. However, I don't see a great need to put them down, on TV unless there is some Hiqmah in it, however I wouldn't be able to see the Hiqmah in it.
Gentleness and kindness were never a part of anything except that it made it beautiful, and harshness was never a part of anything except that it made it ugly.
Through cheating, stealing, and lying, one may get required results but finally one becomes
that just had to be quoted because that is the real reason why these people classed as 'looney toons' are dangerous
yuit your comments (on the last page) would be quite acceptable if we were not talking about the souls of people but where a serious issue such as ones soul is concerned then i think it is very important to know the faults of parties that have the potential to mislead you.
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