India 'loses 10m female births'

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[quote][size=18]India 'loses 10m female births'[/size]

More than 10m female births in India may have been lost to abortion and sex selection in the past 20 years, according to medical research.

Researchers in India and Canada for the Lancet journal said prenatal selection and selective abortion was causing the loss of 500,000 girls a year.

Their research was based on a national survey of 1.1m households in 1998.

The researchers said the "girl deficit" was more common among educated women but did not vary according to religion.

The unusual gender balance in India has been known about for some time.

In most countries, women slightly outnumber men, but separate research for the year 2001 showed that for every 1,000 male babies born in India, there were just 933 girls.

[b]Ultrasound[/b]

The latest research is by Prabhat Jha of St Michael's Hospital at the University of Toronto, Canada, and Rajesh Kumar of the Postgraduate Institute of Medical Research in Chandigarh, India.

They found that there was an increasing tendency to select boys when previous children had been girls.

In cases where the preceding child was a girl, the ratio of girls to boys in the next birth was 759 to 1,000.

This fell even further when the two preceding children were both girls. Then the ratio for the third child born was just 719 girls to 1,000 boys.

However, for a child following the birth of a male child, the gender ratio was roughly equal.

Prabhat Jha said conservative estimates in the research suggested half a million girls were being lost each year.

"If this practice has been common for most of the past two decades since access to ultrasound became widespread, then a figure of 10m missing female births would not be unreasonable."

[b]'Shameful'[/b]

Sex selective abortions have been banned in India for more than a decade.

Experts in India say female foeticide is mostly linked to socio-economic factors.

It is an idea that many say carries over from the time India was a predominantly agrarian society where boys were considered an extra pair of hands on the farm.

The girl child has traditionally been considered inferior and a liability - a bride's dowry can cripple a poor family financially.

The BBC's Jill McGivering says the problem is complicated by advances in technology. Ultrasound machines must be officially registered but many are now so light and portable, they are hard to monitor.

Although doctors in India must not tell couples the sex of a foetus, in practice, some just use coded signals instead, our correspondent says.

Last year the well-known religious leader and social activist, Swami Agnivesh, began a campaign across five northern and western states against female foeticide.

"There's no other form of violence that's more painful, more abhorrent, more shameful," he said.

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Dave — Tue, 10 Jan 2006 - 18:39

[quote="Beast"][quote="MuslimSisLilSis"][quote="Don Karnage"]And how are Med and my views similar?

.[/quote]

just that u both like to kill people who's views/beliefs dont match yours

if he aint calling for the murder of shia's

your calling for the murder of abortionists[/quote]

Maybe the only difference is that Dave wants other people to do the killing whereas Med is willing to go out and do it himself.[/quote]

Haven't met an abortion Doctor. Down south we've resorted to some older methods to keep our streets clean and especially in South Carolina we've made it clear they aren't so welcome. They set up shop - we either drive away business or make life a little uncomfortable for em, and the law is always a little "sluggish" to help abortion mills.

The liberal sympathizing imperial federal government might have their extraconstitutional law - but we hold the ground.

Dave — Tue, 10 Jan 2006 - 18:41

[quote="MuslimSisLilSis"]I understand ur sentiment Dave

but two wrongs dont make a right

abortion is wrong so is murder[/quote]

It's not about making a right - the only thing that will make anything right is to resurrect the 30 million children killed over the last 20 or so years.

It's about stopping it by any means necessary.

Saadia Khan — Tue, 10 Jan 2006 - 18:42

salaam

am sorry Med i dont feel its ryte for u to say ur glad u dont have sisters and that u prob dont want a daughter!! just ask ur mum how she feels May be content, but the fact is women are noor of the house they are Barakah and bring Barakah!!

that sister, daughter ,her Izzat, that heaven forbid unsuitable partner is all from Allah thats wats written ,thats wat she will be destined for!!

Beast — Tue, 10 Jan 2006 - 18:45

[quote="Don Karnage"]
The liberal sympathizing imperial federal government might have their extraconstitutional law - but we hold the ground.[/quote]

Is this the same fed gov which consists of Republican-dominated legislature, executive, and judiciary?

MuslimSisLilSis — Tue, 10 Jan 2006 - 18:50

[quote="Saadia Khan"]but hang on u dont know how ur sons are gonna turn out!!![/quote]

They'll be lil Meds who support shia genocide.

The apple of his eyes.

Beast — Tue, 10 Jan 2006 - 18:52

[quote="Med"]2.

Beast I said I SUPPORT extrajudicial killing. I didnt say I would go and kill myself.

supporting SOMETHING is what I said.[/quote]

Something? What something?

You deleted your posts, so there's no way of verifying that. You may have said it.

Dave — Tue, 10 Jan 2006 - 18:52

[quote="Beast"][quote="Don Karnage"]
The liberal sympathizing imperial federal government might have their extraconstitutional law - but we hold the ground.[/quote]

Is this the same fed gov which consists of Republican-dominated legislature, executive, and judiciary?[/quote]

This is the one thing I still hold out for Bush on - and most republicans feel the same. We've waited through 4 years of promises that Roe is out the door (incidentally Roe herself is prolife) and if his judicial appointments don't overturn the Roe precedent the party will pay dearly for this.

But the problem is precendent. The abortionists hit the right spot when they conjured up the Roe decision - because it was an article of Constitutional Law the Congress couldn't overturn it without an amendment to the Constitution - which is nearly impossible with New England and California, the legislature's hands are tied - as are the Presidents since an executive order also cannot trump the Constitution.

On top of that the Judiciary is bound to stare decisis - they have to uphold precedent. There are rare circumstance in which it can be overturned - and since the case was sooo extratextual this is certainly one of them. But the courts have been too unwilling to do anything about it - afraid of the fallback from the dems.

So with new - real conservatives - on the court there is a chance.

Until they overturn it though - I don't consider it a binding law, it's tyrannic and disgusting, just like Slavery or Segregation, people just reading their own disgusting political agendas into the Constitution to screw the innocent for their own sick enjoyment - and should be fought tooth nail and claw - if Bush doesn't deliver, u will never see another Bush in politics again.

You — Tue, 10 Jan 2006 - 23:31

I stand with Dave on this issue.

Those who kill innocents forfeit their right to life.

And Med; You may not know this but learning knowledge is fardh on every muslim man and muslim woman.

I suspect you ignore siuch things.

MuslimSister — Tue, 10 Jan 2006 - 23:41

Salaam

An individual’s upbringing plays a strong role in his/her perception of daughters.

If one has been brought up seeing his mother/sisters or cousins treated like second class citizen…or if they have heard their elders show disdain to them…. then they will perceive daughters as being a burden, or curse or stress or whatever.

And they will naturally favour sons.

Perceptions often shaped by family/culture /society and upbringing.

Wasalaam

Medarris — Wed, 11 Jan 2006 - 00:47

The obligation of knowledge is that one must know the religious knowledge essential to fulfill the islamic obligations.

This is the obligation.

Seraphim — Wed, 11 Jan 2006 - 14:02

[quote="Med"]The obligation of knowledge is that one must know the religious knowledge essential to fulfill the islamic obligations.

This is the obligation.[/quote]

really?

I was under the impression it said to seek all kinds of knowledge not just religious knowledge but worldly knowledge... thats how you become more useful to your fellow man.

Dave — Wed, 11 Jan 2006 - 14:28

Med out of curiosity you've talked at great length about a girl fulfilling their gender roll and i'm rather curious what that is since many of the other equally muslim members do not seem to be eye to eye with you on issues like education for girls and whatnot.

What exactly are a woman's limitations in Islamic society by your reasoning, what is their function and what precisely are you looking at for justification (specifically... not just "in the Qur'an" or "the Ahadith say this").

I'm interested just in what you believe Islam says on the subject - not any sort of ethnic or outside cultural perspective.

Ramz — Wed, 11 Jan 2006 - 15:31

Some men are sexist dumbo-heads. They are the ones who should be aborted.

I spit on such men. If they hate women so much what about their mum?

Medarris — Wed, 11 Jan 2006 - 16:08

Andoverpolo:

Women were created for the home.

Upon both men and women religious knowledge is an obligation.

Upon neither is maths, science, english, french an obligation.

Women are to fulfill their roles as perfect daughters, sisters and later mothers.

They are to be equipped with the skills and knowledge to run an islamic home and bring up good, pious offspring.

Women are to be respected and honoured. They are not to be beaten or abused.

star — Wed, 11 Jan 2006 - 20:08

not that i know of no...

The holy quran describes in Surah Nahl verse (58-59) and also in surah zukhruf (verse 17) the evil habit of the disbelievers being, whenever they were issued glad-tidings of a daughter, their faces would turn black with sorrow.

lol reminds me of my sisters mother-in-law when my sister had a daughter...she was really dissappointed

*DUST* — Wed, 11 Jan 2006 - 23:09

[quote="Andoverpolo"]i'm not a muslim and i love girls...[/quote]
those quranic verses were specifically referring to the disbelievers of the time - in pre-Islamic Arabia it was a cultural norm to detest females, female infanticide was the norm.

(its important to take Quraanic ayaat in their full context).