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and on the otherside an equally hardline group wins the Israeli elections.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Excuse me Boss. Kadima is not a baby killing party.
No its a land grabbing, water denying party, which has now gained charge of a militia callling itself a defence force.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
He was allowed to return. The issue was whether he could return with a group of Iranian soldiers carrying $30+ million cash. An arrangement was brokered by Egypt but Hamas blew a hole in the border anyway, also taking the opportunity to lob another barrage of missiles at Sderot.
[size=10]The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.[/size]
[size=9]Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)[/size]
There is only so far you can push someone.
I do not like the current policy of starving the population to submission.
After desperation it is only a small step to total anarchy.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
We can all work with Abbas, Haniya and Hamas are street thugs - this is all they know and all we can expect from them.
Originally Fatah was the same.
Excluding the democratically elected government of the place is not gonna make things easier.
When you demand democracy, you have to put up with the possibility the locals want a different leadership than the foreigners.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Well the current infighting seems to be having benefits for the Palestinians.
The world is falling over itself to undermine the elected government.
Israel has released 100Million dollars worth of taxes it was witholding (it is still holding back over $500million, but it's a step ni the right direction), will remove some check points from the West Bank and also release prisoners for Eid.
The rest of the world is also doing it's bit to undermine democracy aswell. As long as it is heping the people I ain't gonna complain. Just make a note of it.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
It is not that they are undermining democracy, it is that the Hamas charter rules out peace. In the interests of peace Olmert and Abbas met and Olmert agreed sweeping concessions including the dismantling of some roadblocks, the release of a large number of prisoners and the handing over of a portion of Palestinian funds. He also reiterated his commitment to make further troop withdrawals from the West Bank. The reason all this is not done in negotiation with Hamas is that Abbas conceivably is not at war with Israel. Your interpretation is unfortunate, Admin, and undermines what is supposed to be a goodwill agreement. Olmert, though he loses Israel's bargaining chips, increases his standing (although certainly not with many Israelis), as this is clearly a magnanimous undertaking. Abbas also increases his diplomatic standing, although ultimately perhaps not his sway with the Palestinians, which is a great shame. So while the groundwork is being laid for peace Hamas will do all it can to bolster its list of grievances alternating as it does between the roles of victim and glorious Islamic victor and war remains foreseeable. It is in Israel's interests, perhaps, to be as divorced as possible from Palestine and do as much as it can to establish an independent Palestine, regardless of whether the future holds war or peace.
If Olmert is aggressive Hamas will declare Israel the oppressor, and if he is gracious Hamas will declare themselves victorious and Israel weak. Israel is in a no-win situation with the pro-Hamas camp and I can only hope that Israel's strategy of attempting to sideline Hamas pays off. I do not know if Israel can trust Abbas, nor if Abbas can be effective, but he is a statesman with Palestinian interests at heart, rather than a warmonger. The gamble might be stupid but I applaud Olmert's single-minded bravery.
[size=10]The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.[/size]
[size=9]Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)[/size]
I know it is a no win situation, I was just noting it down.
I am all in favour of anything which reduces the pressure, even if it undermines the electoral mandate on this occasion.
The people have been cooked up for too long and any help is better than none.
Not blaming Israel. Afterall it needs to talk to someone. Even if it was just for its own political sake...
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6213193.stm
The point here IS NOT THAT AMERICA said it is wrong. The point is that the theft of the 'Holy Land' still continues today.
He who sacrifices his conscience to ambition, burns a picture to obtain the ashes!
It is the umpteenth report by Dugard on this subject. I have read his reports and find his wording obnoxious and laden with opinion. That is just my reaction. I'll leave my criticisms at that since I have little hope of persuading anyone here that this UN official lacks objectivity. You might think I lack objectivity.
ftr it is a widely shared concern that Palestinians don't have proper freedom of movement throughout the West Bank, but the roadblocks are necessary security measures. It goes without saying that settlers are not part of the threat to Israel. The policy of demolishing houses of terrorists, which leaves their families homeless, should end, and the demolition of illegal dwellings must be fairer. On those points I will campaign. That doesn't apply to demolitions of houses used for nefarious purposes such as tunnelling and weapons storage.
The term apartheid is misused. It is true that Israel extends protection to its own in the West Bank, and not to the Palestinians. This is not an apartheid. I spent time in Jerusalem last week with liberal Israelis (including some who really hate the security wall), and in particular a friend who kindly took me out to the Arab quarters, but I don't think any of them would argue as if there were no enmity among Arabs and it were an issue of oppression.
[size=10]The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.[/size]
[size=9]Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)[/size]
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