Pack Your Bags I’m Taking You to Pakistan…

MuslimSister —

Salaam

It’s been years since I heard my dad say this….but when I was a teenager I used to hear this a lot…

Usually it was when I kept on speaking in English and dad was speaking to me in Urdu…..this used to tick him off but now even he’s given up on trying to teach us Urdu…

Whenever any of us used to go into a strop or acted like a moody, stroppy teenager….we used to hear “That’s it- go upstairs and pack your bags, you’re all going Pakistan”…

Even as a 15year old I never understood this threat…I loved going Pakistan and dad knew this.

Have your parents ever threatened you like this? Or do they use other threats….and have your parents ever actually carried out their threats?

And what exactly is it about Pakistan and discipline? I knew this rebel girl- she was out of control and even used to bring weapons to school…her mum took her to Pakistan and she came back a reformed teenager?!

And another thing, would it be correct to say that the kids back home are a LOT more respectful with their parents then the kids from here are?....I think they are….obviously I cant speak on behalf of every child there however, based on personal experience I’ve been surprised at the high level of blind obedience parents back home receive…why is this?

And what IS the best way to discipline a child? Beating him/her with sticks or giving him/her a light slap now and again only as a last resort?

In my family girls are never physically harmed- regardless of how naughty they are. However, as a last resort dads often may smack their sons….is this fair? (I think it is)

OR are you totally against raising your hands to children? Is shouting at them more then enough? Or do you believe that even shouting is wrong?

What is effective discipline?

Share your thoughts…

Wasalaam

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Medarris — Mon, 21 Nov 2005 - 11:36

lol.

I dont wanna discuss what pakistan did. Suffice to say my loyalty lies with Islam.

Can I remind some people of some historical facts.

On the occasion of the aborted Umrah, a rumour was spread that the Quraysh had martyred Sayyidina Uthman radhiyallahu anh.

The Holy Prophet salallahu alayhi wa sallam, and the Sahabah Karaam were in a state of ihraam, they had come totally unprepared for any type of military encounter. They had little weapons and little armour and little steads of war at the best of times, coming out of Madinah with intention of tawbah and istighfar they had even less than normal.

Yet, when this rumour was heard by the Holy Prophet salallahu alayhi wa sallam what was HIS noble response?

Was it to say lets leave it, its only one muslim, why bother sacrificing the jama'ah of Sahabah for one?

Was it to say let's go back and get weapons and come back later to avenge the killing?

OR Was it to stay on truth, despite the oddsm, despite what the logic and reason commanded. Was it to take the pledge of allegiance from the unarmed and unequipped Sahabah Karaam to fight TO THE DEATH for the blood of one believer?

Subhanallah.

People have become stooped in politics and in logic and reason. Where has the imaan gone? In the eyes of the world, the ones who stuck with islam lost in afghanistan and they were killed and are dead. In my eyes they gained that virtue, that honour, and that highrank that we pray inshaALLAH they are in the company of the Prophets and the Truthful ones, ameen.

Better to die the death of a martyr than to live like a coward.

To put it into context. After Badr, ALLAH revealed verses commanding Sahabah Karaam to return repentant to Madinah. After Uhud, when the muslims suffered ''defeat'' ALLAH congratulates and expresses pleasure on the believers and tell them of their great victory.

What is the meaning of this? The meaning is that victory is not about winning the war, its about staying on the side of truth, even if it means oneself, ones family, and ones nation are destroyed. Standing on truth whilst the world rages on falsehood is an act that very few can do, in the eyes of the world the one who gained economic advantages and friendships for his country, he has won. In the eyes of truth the one who stuck with truth and was slaughtered for it, he has won.

Dawud — Mon, 21 Nov 2005 - 12:57

I don't neccessarily agree/disagree with what was said about Afganistan but I agree with this bit as generalisation for most ([u]not all[/u]) the Muslims in political power:

[quote="Med"]People have become stooped in politics and in logic and reason. Where has the imaan gone?
[/quote]

Also a nice point:
[quote="Med"]
Better to die the death of a martyr than to live like a coward.
[/quote]

I think in War and Peace a character says:
"Better to die on my feet, than live on my knees."

MuslimSisLilSis — Mon, 21 Nov 2005 - 16:50

[quote="MuslimSisLilSis"]

nah its wrong to generalise

we're all just taking the piss and sterotyping

many do find true love there and end up being very happy

[/quote]

Yuit

I pointed out ^^ there that we were just messing around and generalising

no need to take it serioulsy

but I agree with ur point on how sending kids back home dont always solve the problem

IMO thats just looking for loopholes

yuit — Mon, 21 Nov 2005 - 17:39

[quote="yuit"][quote="Admin"]

PS over the Taliban, pakstan did what it had to do.

[/quote]

On pakistan people as a whole, i think people do generalise alot. .[/quote]

As u quoted yourself, i will as well. :roll:

I wasn't talking about anyone person and it wasn't aim at anyone on the forum, but just generally at people who hold that view. I will normally quote someone or mention their name if i was commenting on what they said. Doesn't really matter.

MuslimSisLilSis — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 - 22:48

does anyone ever get compared to kids frm back home

does anyone ever get lectured cos they're not as "resectful" as kids frm back home

when family frm Pakiland comes to visit-we get this a lot

once my lil sis said to dad who was eating dinner "daddy get me water NOW there's too much chilly in my food and make sure u bring it in my barbie cup"

he just laughed and brought her some water (she is a spoilt little daddy's girl)

but my grandad who was watching saw this as the most disrespectful thing in the world

me and my sister often tease mum-as a JOKE we might tease her about eating too much

this is seen as disrespectful to people frm back home

its wrong IMO to comapre kids frm here with kids frm back home

You — Sun, 27 Nov 2005 - 00:20

I hate it when I get copmpared to others.

Never from 'back home', as I do not hold relationships with much importance... So cannot remember many people.

But always 'why are you not like so and so... he does this..' My reply: 'But so and so also does this? shall I do that aswell?'

We are individuals. Flawed individuals, granted, but individuals nevertheless.

Angel — Sun, 27 Nov 2005 - 01:17

I get compared to my cuz's in UK, i have 3-4 cuz's who are same age as me and mum always goes she can do this and that and u cant (used to bother me b4 but not anymore) but funny thing is when mum is talkin to someone else she is full of compliments for me and my sis lol

At the end of the day everyone is different, everyone is good/bad at something. This does not make one better than another.

Sirus — Tue, 29 Nov 2005 - 02:17

[quote="Admin"]I hate it when I get copmpared to others.

Never from 'back home', as I do not hold relationships with much importance... So cannot remember many people.

But always 'why are you not like so and so... he does this..' My reply: 'But so and so also does this? shall I do that aswell?'

We are individuals. Flawed individuals, granted, but individuals nevertheless.[/quote]

get it all the time

so and so's sons are doing this...............'are they really?! yeah but wat about that they are doing!'

i get compared to PRINCE of this forum a lot by my mummy

apparently hes a goody 2 shoes and i should be like him

yeah ryt :evil:

MuslimSisLilSis — Sun, 8 Jan 2006 - 14:31

Every year daddy goes Pakiland to visit his parents

every year he takes on or two of his kids with him-my sister goes with him almost every year

this year he's been doing MY head in to come with him cos I havent been abroad for years and hajj plans got cancelled

He left for Pakiland today on his own-I'm gonna miss him 😢

the reason why I didnt go with him cos I KNOW I do his head in when I go there

"daddy its too hot" "dad buy me this "dad I have a tummy ache" or "daddy kill that chupkali (lizard)" and I moan about the mosquito's 24/7 which seem to have a thing for foregin blood :roll:

and it cant be easy translating for me 24/7

does anyone else find it hard to settle down in Pakistan/bangadesh etc without coming across as a spoilt Britsh girl?

Medarris — Sun, 8 Jan 2006 - 19:36

[quote="MuslimSisLilSis"]
does anyone else find it hard to settle down in Pakistan/bangadesh etc without coming across as a spoilt Britsh girl?[/quote]

lol.

They really take the mick outta pakis form uk in pakistan. call em kukkar and dunno what else.

But in regards me, alhamdulillah when I last went my relatives were proper shocked, they go that I dont act like Im from uk, didnt drink bottled water, ate whatever every1 else ate, didnt complain abt heat or abt insects ot abt chipkali etc. I think if u go there acting stuck up then u gonna find it uncomfortable.

Here I get nauseous if I see a mouse scuttling across road, overthere I saw rats running around and didnt bother me cos I went in right frame of mind.

I lvoe pakistan.

MuslimSister — Sun, 8 Jan 2006 - 19:46

Salaam

Dad usually takes me Pakistan every year. This year I wasn’t in the mood to go..

I can’t help but come across as being “spoilt” when I go there. The meat, milk and water always makes me ill.

Its weird that dad was born and bred in Pakistan…he came here when he was about 20 and even he claims that he couldn’t live there today. Even he gets ill there...

It is a massive culture difference for some.

Wasalaam

Dave — Sun, 8 Jan 2006 - 19:56

Ahhh right... family

That's gotta be tough though - only seeing them once a year and coming back to a completely different world you realize you don't fit into anymore.

Is your mother from pakistan too or is she originally from Britain?

MuslimSister — Sun, 8 Jan 2006 - 19:59

[quote="Don Karnage"]Ahhh right... family

That's gotta be tough though - only seeing them once a year and coming back to a completely different world you realize you don't fit into anymore.

Is your mother from pakistan too or is she originally from Britain?[/quote]

Yeah, its tough when family lives half way across the world.

Dad left for Pakistan today and he's already called three times, saying he miss's us-lol. He often says that when he's here he thinks about his parents back home but when he's with his parents he cant stop thinking about us here...

Mums also orginally from Pakistan but she was born and bred here and her mum/brothers and sister etc all live here.

Dave — Sun, 8 Jan 2006 - 20:08

Ahh she's the lucky one then - has he tried to move his family to the UK at all?

I guess past a certain age it's impossible to get people to move though - especially if they have been in one place their entire life.

Immigration is really more of a young people's activity

MuslimSisLilSis — Sun, 8 Jan 2006 - 23:14

my family in pakistan are more then happy with their country-they dont want to live here

dad was the only one who wanted to come to UK he didnt like the corruption and wanted a better education

so Dave u ever considered visiting Paki land-I cant help but think it be a fantastic experince for u :twisted:

*DUST* — Sun, 8 Jan 2006 - 23:43

[quote="Don Karnage"]The Dave has no official comment at this time.

lol incidentally I am making headway on Dubai for our honeymoon. She no longer thinks it's a desert city.[/quote]
i'm sure she'll come around pretty quick when u tell her there's (literally!) a mall around every corner... 😛

Dave — Sun, 8 Jan 2006 - 23:45

[quote="*DUST*"][quote="Don Karnage"]The Dave has no official comment at this time.

lol incidentally I am making headway on Dubai for our honeymoon. She no longer thinks it's a desert city.[/quote]
i'm sure she'll come around pretty quick when u tell her there's (literally!) a mall around every corner... :P[/quote]

I told her it is pretty much a European resort town and showed her where I really wanna go the Madinat Jumeira which picqued her interest.

MuslimSister — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 - 15:40

My dad was telling about this father who was beating his son in some airport in Pakistan.

The people who were standing around watching asked the dad why he was ruthlessly beating his son in public.

The dad goes “when we were in England I hit my son and he called the police and I was arrested, so I’m getting my revenge now…I like to see him call the police now”

And then apparently the crowd all jumped in and also helped hit the boy..

:?