Pronunciation of muslim stuff

Dave —

This probably doesn't need to be a thread but could somebody tell me how the following are pronounced?

Islam
Muslim
Jihad
Qur'an
Muhammad
Mecca
Sufi

I'm really irritated every time I hear some academic say "Moooosleeeem" or "muzleem" to sound like they are very intelligent. And is it "I-slaam" or "Is-laam" or "Iz-laam"

Is it j'had (as in "had") or Gee-hawd!

Mecca or Mah-caw

Su-F-eye or -Suf-eee

Forum

You — Thu, 17 Nov 2005 - 18:52

I will give a go:

Islam: Is laam (soft ess, as in 'soft' not like in 'as')
Muslim : Mus Lim (soft ess again... not extention of wovels... short.)
incidentally Muzlim means a transgressor

Jihad: 'Ji Haad' not Jee had. and the D is nota D more of a th as in 'the', not like in math'. (close to what you wrote: J'haad)

Quran: 'Qur Aan' (Kur, but soft like q, and the ' is for a break... qur aan)

Muhammad: 'Mu Ham Mad' (No breaks... short vowels the mm is to be emphasised muhammmmad. the d is like in jihad.... th from the.)

Makkah: Mak Kah (the K is soft, softness between c & q...)

Sufi: Soo fi

Dave — Thu, 17 Nov 2005 - 19:05

lol wow i'm murdering this stuff.

I was pronouncing Quran

Kor-awwn

...can't really express how we do our 'w's but they are a little deeper and more pronounced

star — Thu, 17 Nov 2005 - 19:15

the word QUR'AAN..... i dunno how to explain how u pronounce it properly, but the AA u meant to pronounce it with tajweed like coming from your throat...

erm sum one else better of explaining it..

lol im gonna confuse you.

MuslimSister — Thu, 17 Nov 2005 - 19:34

What makes me smile is how non Muslims (usually Black guys) say Salaam..

"Slam-alaikum"..(Trust me, its sounds funnier if you hear it).

You — Thu, 17 Nov 2005 - 19:39

touching on what naj said, in arabic there are certain places where sounds come from.

such as emm. that is from the lips.

and en from the teeth.

and L from the raised bit behind the teeth.

there are also thre locations in the throat

the top. that is like the a in and. that is where the aan in qur'an is from

then there is the middle. that is where the q in qur'an is from

and finally deep in the throat. that is like kh as in khalid.

Dave — Thu, 17 Nov 2005 - 19:50

[quote="MuslimSister"]What makes me smile is how non Muslims (usually Black guys) say Salaam..

"Slam-alaikum"..(Trust me, its sounds funnier if you hear it).[/quote]

lol 2 years ago when I thought I was being Mr. international I-know-more-than-you I used to work that one through when I greeted muslims.

Came up "Say-laam, Ay-laykum" because I had never heard it before.

Must have sounded pretty ridiculous now that I know how it's supposed to sound and now that i am told muslims aren't supposed to say salaam to nonmuslims.

Ah well, learning is a process by which one stumbles through a series of embarassing situations

Dave — Thu, 17 Nov 2005 - 19:51

Okay naj and admin i'm trying this and basically choking on my tongue trying to come up with this "a"

Do you mean like the a in Ali?

or is it a more uncomfortable sound

You — Thu, 17 Nov 2005 - 19:53

heh, for throat do not try using the tip.

try pushing the back up for top of throat.

For middle and bottom of throat, its almost like coughing... or gargling with air. do not use the tongue.

You — Thu, 17 Nov 2005 - 19:57

And do not try all that with people around.

They may think you have gone loony.

[edit]

And it may not be possible for you.

The arabs really struggle with P. 'bass me a ben'.

Dave — Thu, 17 Nov 2005 - 20:07

lol well I already don't pronounce a's in the front of my throat - that's the northern thing.

We kinda say it like "ah" - it's a lot more naisal

Fortunately i'm in the comfort of my new dorm (this one is amazing) and so i'm definitely safe from looking like an idiot.

But this is crazy! thanks for the link naj

that's insanely naisal - i'm getting a little dizzy

Medarris — Thu, 17 Nov 2005 - 20:14

the aan in Quraan is NOT pronounced in the throat.

I think there is confusion, the aa sound would only be pronounced from throat if the letter was ayn, but the letter in Quraan is specifically hamza, which is alif.

And alif is an aerial letter, and is pronounced from the emptiness of mouth. So it is not difficult. Sorry for correcting the person who said it is pronounced in throat, but that is incorrect.

I reiterate the aan is pronounced from the void in the mouth and is said with a thin voice.

Dave — Thu, 17 Nov 2005 - 20:17

[quote="Admin"]second letter from the right... in the third row.[/quote]

ohh I was doing "lam"

This one is even stranger - I can't pronounce it without making it sound like a question a?

Dave — Thu, 17 Nov 2005 - 20:18

[quote="Med"]the aan in Quraan is NOT pronounced in the throat.

I think there is confusion, the aa sound would only be pronounced from throat if the letter was ayn, but the letter in Quraan is specifically hamza, which is alif.

And alif is an aerial letter, and is pronounced from the emptiness of mouth. So it is not difficult. Sorry for correcting the person who said it is pronounced in throat, but that is incorrect.

I reiterate the aan is pronounced from the void in the mouth and is said with a thin voice.[/quote]

Okay I found the pronunciation of alif... kinda sounds like you are whining when you pronounce it.

Dave — Thu, 17 Nov 2005 - 20:19

[quote="MuslimSister"]...Lol-I don't know how you guys are doing this over the forum...

Dave you really need hear an Arab go over the Arabic alphabet...[/quote]

lol I don't get along with the arabs on campus so well...

Goes back to these "inter-faith dialogues" they force me to do from time to time.

I can be an... aggressive... debater

Medarris — Thu, 17 Nov 2005 - 20:21

[quote="Admin"]med:

it is the top of the throat. at the exit.

(not in the throat...)[/quote]

hmmm, I dunno, probably we talking abt same place.

By us the three aerial letters, viz alif, waaw and yaa are pronounced in the emptiness of the mouth hence they are huruuf ul hawaa'iyah - the aerial letters.

I dont use my throat in this process.

Anyways no biggie.

Beast — Thu, 17 Nov 2005 - 20:23

[quote="Constantine"]
Okay I found the pronunciation of alif... kinda sounds like you are whining when you pronounce it.[/quote]

Lol.

That's just the way that guy talks.

Sirus — Thu, 17 Nov 2005 - 23:53

2day, this muslim woman told the guy from the Home Office off for saying 'Muzlim', saying its wrong

its 'muslim' she says.....S not Z

he shut up 😂

Angel — Fri, 18 Nov 2005 - 00:01

[quote="Constantine"]lol wow i'm murdering this stuff.

I was pronouncing Quran

Kor-awwn

...can't really express how we do our 'w's but they are a little deeper and more pronounced[/quote]

lol i dont think the american accent helps at all!

I had the joy ( :roll: ) of listening to 2 americans on the train who obviously didnt know each other but were amazed they both were from america (do u guys love each other soo much?)

Girl: I aaam fraaam aarizoooonaa, i aaaaam.....(oh i cant be bothered too hard)

You — Fri, 18 Nov 2005 - 00:07

apart from confusing the s with the z, the rest is all harmless.

when speaking in english, I speak the words in english aswell.

the main thing being that there are totally different ways and attitudes to the communication. english letters are pronounced with force. Arabic, urdu and farsi softly.

thus it is hard to get the pronunciation 100% right when speaking in a diferent language.

Angel — Fri, 18 Nov 2005 - 00:11

[quote="Constantine"]lol yea... my accent doesn't help but like I said I can turn it on and off.[/quote]

How can you do that, unintentionally?

Dave — Fri, 18 Nov 2005 - 00:34

[quote="angel"]
lol i dont think the american accent helps at all!

I had the joy ( :roll: ) of listening to 2 americans on the train who obviously didnt know each other but were amazed they both were from america (do u guys love each other soo much?)

Girl: I aaam fraaam aarizoooonaa, i aaaaam.....(oh i cant be bothered too hard)[/quote]

lol there is no "american" accent everybody has distinct accents.

Mine's a different southern accent than even most other southerners - and that's way diff than the north or the midwest or the west.

My girlfriend has an amazingly cute accent but it's not really southern and it's not really ethnic.

Angel — Fri, 18 Nov 2005 - 00:42

[quote="Constantine"]

lol there is no "american" accent everybody has distinct accents.

Mine's a different southern accent than even most other southerners - and that's way diff than the north or the midwest or the west.

My girlfriend has an amazingly cute accent but it's not really southern and it's not really ethnic.[/quote]

awww

I supose thats like sayin everyone in scotland has the same accent which is not at all true, our glaswegain one is the best 8)

star — Fri, 18 Nov 2005 - 00:59

[quote="Med"]the aan in Quraan is NOT pronounced in the throat.

I think there is confusion, the aa sound would only be pronounced from throat if the letter was ayn, but the letter in Quraan is specifically hamza, which is alif.

And alif is an aerial letter, and is pronounced from the emptiness of mouth. So it is not difficult. Sorry for correcting the person who said it is pronounced in throat, but that is incorrect.

I reiterate the aan is pronounced from the void in the mouth and is said with a thin voice.[/quote]

abit confused now..the letters in the word quran are alif with hamza on top? so alif u pronounce with emptiness then the letter hamza is huroofe-halkee which u pronounce from the bottom of the throat..

and ayn is from the middle of the throat....so 'aan is from the throat isnt it?

me not making sense..